Re: Why not hide .SVN dir on windows?

[Hontvari Jozsef <ho...@solware.com>]

I have seen a good solution to the same problem in Jedit. It is a java text
editor and its default behaviour to save backup files into the same
directory as the original.

I can change its configuration settings to save backups into a specific
directory, e.g.
C:\backup

I can still find the backup files easily, because it creates subdirectories
like:
C:\backup\C\home\myProject

Notice the "C" subdirectory represents the C drive here.




"Barry Scott" <ba...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> 1. SVN works
> 2. Copying the work space with explorer must copy the
>    hidden files.
> 3. MSDEV Find in Files skips hidden files
> 4. DIR /S <filename> does not find files in .svn
> 5. Barry's Emacs does not find files in .svn
>
> So far I have:
>
> No test on 1.
> Pass on 2.
> Fail on 3. However MSDEV is typically configured to look for particular
>            file types. *.h,*.cpp etc. Its does not need the change.
> Fail on 4. Need to set hidden on ever file in .svn to make them
>            vanish from dir /s
> Fail on 5.
>
> I conclude that its not worth changing svn because of fails on (3) and
> (5) and the extra complexity to fix (4).
>
> I'm going to add code to my Emacs to deal with meta data directories
> like .svn and .cvs.
>
> BArry



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Re: Why not hide .SVN dir on windows?

[Branko Čibej <br...@xbc.nu>]

Barry Scott wrote:

> I really wanted to hide these dirs on Windows and proved that its not
> possible
> to do. Are you arguing that on Unix the directories should not be hidden?
>
> I think hiding the meta data is a good thing and just wish that
> windows could
> do it. 

What do you mean, it's not possible to do? Of course it's possible. The
question isn't whether we can do it, but whether we should.


-- 
Brane Čibej   <br...@xbc.nu>   http://www.xbc.nu/brane/


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Re: Why not hide .SVN dir on windows?

[Barry Scott <ba...@barrys-emacs.org>]

I really wanted to hide these dirs on Windows and proved that its not possible
to do. Are you arguing that on Unix the directories should not be hidden?

I think hiding the meta data is a good thing and just wish that windows could
do it.

It is a major win that the context of the files in the current directory 
can be determined
by looking in ./.svn. keeping the meta data in harder to find places will 
surely make
trouble shooting much harder and all admin's know users will screw up any 
setup that
is not trivia!

Barry


At 07-05-2003 05:47, solo turn wrote:
>i am convinced it is really bad software design to decide to hide
>theses directories on one operating system, and not hide them in
>another.
>
>--- Hontvari Jozsef <ho...@solware.com> wrote:
> > I have seen a good solution to the same problem in Jedit. It is a
> > java text
> > editor and its default behaviour to save backup files into the same
> > directory as the original.
> >
> > I can change its configuration settings to save backups into a
> > specific
> > directory, e.g.
> > C:\backup
> >
> > I can still find the backup files easily, because it creates
> > subdirectories
> > like:
> > C:\backup\C\home\myProject
> >
> > Notice the "C" subdirectory represents the C drive here.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Barry Scott" <ba...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> > > 1. SVN works
> > > 2. Copying the work space with explorer must copy the
> > >    hidden files.
> > > 3. MSDEV Find in Files skips hidden files
> > > 4. DIR /S <filename> does not find files in .svn
> > > 5. Barry's Emacs does not find files in .svn
> > >
> > > So far I have:
> > >
> > > No test on 1.
> > > Pass on 2.
> > > Fail on 3. However MSDEV is typically configured to look for
> > particular
> > >            file types. *.h,*.cpp etc. Its does not need the
> > change.
> > > Fail on 4. Need to set hidden on ever file in .svn to make them
> > >            vanish from dir /s
> > > Fail on 5.
> > >
> > > I conclude that its not worth changing svn because of fails on
> > (3) and
> > > (5) and the extra complexity to fix (4).
> > >
> > > I'm going to add code to my Emacs to deal with meta data
> > directories
> > > like .svn and .cvs.
> > >
> > > BArry
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Why not hide .SVN dir on windows?

[kf...@collab.net]

cmpilato@collab.net writes:
> solo turn <so...@yahoo.com> writes:
> > i am convinced it is really bad software design to decide to hide
> > theses directories on one operating system, and not hide them in
> > another.
> 
> "Your patches are welcome."

Well, to be fair, we've been saying (or implying) up till now that
patches for this were not welcome, because we'd decided that using the
Windows `hidden' attribute was not appropriate for the .svn area.

If we've changed that (I have no opinion) and patches are now welcome,
that's great, but I think Solo was simply trying to convince us that
such a patch ought to be welcome.

Now, why anyone would feel this needs to be solved before 1.0, that I
can't explain :-).  But hey, multiplicity of motivations is one of the
joys of this project...

-Karl

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Re: Why not hide .SVN dir on windows?

[cm...@collab.net]

solo turn <so...@yahoo.com> writes:

> i am convinced it is really bad software design to decide to hide
> theses directories on one operating system, and not hide them in
> another.

"Your patches are welcome."

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Re: Why not hide .SVN dir on windows?

[solo turn <so...@yahoo.com>]

i am convinced it is really bad software design to decide to hide
theses directories on one operating system, and not hide them in
another.

--- Hontvari Jozsef <ho...@solware.com> wrote:
> I have seen a good solution to the same problem in Jedit. It is a
> java text
> editor and its default behaviour to save backup files into the same
> directory as the original.
> 
> I can change its configuration settings to save backups into a
> specific
> directory, e.g.
> C:\backup
> 
> I can still find the backup files easily, because it creates
> subdirectories
> like:
> C:\backup\C\home\myProject
> 
> Notice the "C" subdirectory represents the C drive here.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Barry Scott" <ba...@ntlworld.com> writes:
> > 1. SVN works
> > 2. Copying the work space with explorer must copy the
> >    hidden files.
> > 3. MSDEV Find in Files skips hidden files
> > 4. DIR /S <filename> does not find files in .svn
> > 5. Barry's Emacs does not find files in .svn
> >
> > So far I have:
> >
> > No test on 1.
> > Pass on 2.
> > Fail on 3. However MSDEV is typically configured to look for
> particular
> >            file types. *.h,*.cpp etc. Its does not need the
> change.
> > Fail on 4. Need to set hidden on ever file in .svn to make them
> >            vanish from dir /s
> > Fail on 5.
> >
> > I conclude that its not worth changing svn because of fails on
> (3) and
> > (5) and the extra complexity to fix (4).
> >
> > I'm going to add code to my Emacs to deal with meta data
> directories
> > like .svn and .cvs.
> >
> > BArry
> 
> 
> 
>
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