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Posted to dev@couchdb.apache.org by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> on 2013/03/05 16:32:45 UTC
Google+ community?
Hey,
Saw this post this morning:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+, but
it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the project lists,
and way from the project.
Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk about CouchDB.
But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
Thoughts on this?
Thanks,
--
NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the really
> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest discussion
> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
maybe we can be proactive like you just did. And link to the post
directly on the ml when we found it. I can do it for the g+ . Someone
should also do it about twitter.
maybe a Weekly Couchdb news ?
- benoit
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by "matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>.
Hi Noah - I agree with you on involving one or more human(s), for sure...
So I guess part of what I was brainstorming was around which parts of the
process could still be automated to ease the burden, not unlike the huge
body of work you've been doing around the release process. If disparate
sources were aggregated, and if throughout the week a newsletter curator
could select and/or nominate topically relevant items for that week by just
spotting it, deciding, and "tagging" it (or some similar easy-button type
of action) during the course of everyday flow, then the final email could
still be automated, and thus always on a reliable schedule... even tho all
of the content there-in was selected by a person or a few people (or votes,
or...).
and maybe it's not a schedule, maybe a mail is generated every time there
are 5 (arbitrary number I just plucked) pieces of human-determined
newsletter-worthy content ready to be served up.
just thinking aloud (onlist)... we could even experiment with the bookmarks
or hacker news clone apps on garden20.com.
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Interesting idea, Matt. Again though, I really think we should aim to
> involve a human being. I think if there's a tagging system, or a +1 system,
> that helps to surface interesting threads, then fine. But there should be a
> person reviewing these, and using their judgement, and knowledge of what is
> already happening on the list to post what seems relevant. I might add that
> anyone can do this! God knows, I already have enough things to do. ;)
>
>
> On 11 March 2013 16:04, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>
> > I think about the aggregation and curation challenge sometimes...
> >
> > and *sometimes* I even think of ways it might be made easier. I just
> tried
> > Feed+ for generating feeds from public G+ posts -- it seems to work great
> > for individual profiles, but failed for the Community profile. I emailed
> > the author (a google employee and google apps script extraordinaire) to
> see
> > about getting support in there for G+ Communities.
> >
> > if that were to become possible, then there can be a feed of posts. Maybe
> > there's a way to rank by the accumulated +1's (in the feed, or
> > post-processing).
> >
> > The feed could be
> >
> > MAPPED
> >
> > to an aggregator (I do this a lot in Drupal with feeds to import content,
> > but it could just be dropped into a public couch instance); and then the
> > newsy mailing-list worthy stuff could be quickly
> >
> > REDUCED
> >
> > by a tagging mechanism. E.g. tag share-worthy things "mailing list" and a
> > weekly job sniffs those out and sends them to the mailing list. It's
> > automated, but it's curated first.
> >
> > I'm not sure if all that hypothetical hocus pocus technology would
> actually
> > make it easier than just scanning the community once a week sending out
> > some interesting links :P I'm just brainstorming.
> >
> > :D
> >
> > --
> > *matt j. sorenson*
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I had a chat with Infra and they do not like automated posts to the
> > mailing
> > > list. I am going to set up some alarms for me to remind me to do weekly
> > > roundups. That also means I get to curate the stuff I think is
> important.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 March 2013 22:27, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > i will have a look to see if it can be automatised. If not i can
> > > > probably do the weekly summary.
> > > >
> > > > - benoit
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Benoit,
> > > > >
> > > > > As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was
> wondering
> > > > this
> > > > > morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the
> activity
> > > > > happening over there?
> > > > >
> > > > > See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow
> > > > questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think this would be valuable?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone
> > > reading
> > > > >> this email.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to
> make
> > do
> > > > >> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we
> > must
> > > > keep
> > > > >> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by
> > > > everyone.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to
> > > suppress
> > > > >> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is
> to
> > > > make
> > > > >> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a
> > > > problem
> > > > >> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the
> > project
> > > > >> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
> > > > >> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack
> do.
> > > > It's a
> > > > >> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off
> the
> > > > lists.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together.
> > Response
> > > > >> here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing
> > your
> > > > >> mail.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email
> > sig
> > > > when
> > > > >>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --
> > > > >>> *matt *
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <
> > > > matt@sorensonbros.net
> > > > >>> >wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or
> it
> > > > won't
> > > > >>> > happen.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical
> > > destination.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web
> > > > interface
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge
> > > archive.
> > > > >>> That
> > > > >>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
> > > > >>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates
> > the
> > > > >>> pockets
> > > > >>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as
> they
> > > > emerge
> > > > >>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more
> > > sharing.
> > > > The
> > > > >>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck
> > > that
> > > > and
> > > > >>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > --
> > > > >>> > *matt j. sorenson*
> > > > >>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > phone calls always welcome :)
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <
> nslater@apache.org
> > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on
> > Twitter
> > > > or
> > > > >>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that
> > the
> > > > >>> really
> > > > >>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing
> > > lists.
> > > > You
> > > > >>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
> > > > >>> discussion
> > > > >>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to
> filter
> > > > back
> > > > >>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community
> can
> > > see
> > > > >>> it?
> > > > >>> >> It
> > > > >>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out
> > > about
> > > > >>> more
> > > > >>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets
> > more
> > > > >>> >> exposure,
> > > > >>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to
> have
> > > > support
> > > > >>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but
> ...)
> > .
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup
> > > most
> > > > of
> > > > >>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting
> to
> > > > have
> > > > >>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming
> > from
> > > > >>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more)
> and
> > > > allows
> > > > >>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your
> > concern
> > > > and
> > > > >>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > - benoît
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <
> > nslater@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically,
> > > we've
> > > > >>> >> struggled
> > > > >>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it.
> > There
> > > > >>> should
> > > > >>> >> be a
> > > > >>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the
> > > > community,
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>> >> > that
> > > > >>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That
> doesn't
> > > > mean
> > > > >>> >> there
> > > > >>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other
> places.
> > > > But I
> > > > >>> am
> > > > >>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques
> are
> > > > >>> forming.
> > > > >>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing
> > > here.
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <
> > > matt@sorensonbros.net>
> > > > >>> >> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better,
> > and
> > > > stop
> > > > >>> >> being
> > > > >>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd
> just
> > > > left
> > > > >>> it
> > > > >>> >> at
> > > > >>> >> > >> this...
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > > > >>> >> > >> Hey,
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB
> > on
> > > > >>> Google+
> > > > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> --
> > > > >>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> > > > >>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <
> > > > nslater@apache.org>
> > > > >>> >> wrote:
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Hey,
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around
> CouchDB
> > > on
> > > > >>> >> Google+,
> > > > >>> >> > but
> > > > >>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from
> > the
> > > > >>> project
> > > > >>> >> > lists,
> > > > >>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should
> > > talk
> > > > >>> about
> > > > >>> >> > >> CouchDB.
> > > > >>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our
> community.
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > Thanks,
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >> > --
> > > > >>> >> > >> > NS
> > > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > > >>> >> > >>
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > >
> > > > >>> >> > > --
> > > > >>> >> > > NS
> > > > >>> >> >
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> --
> > > > >>> >> NS
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> NS
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > NS
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > NS
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Interesting idea, Matt. Again though, I really think we should aim to
involve a human being. I think if there's a tagging system, or a +1 system,
that helps to surface interesting threads, then fine. But there should be a
person reviewing these, and using their judgement, and knowledge of what is
already happening on the list to post what seems relevant. I might add that
anyone can do this! God knows, I already have enough things to do. ;)
On 11 March 2013 16:04, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
> I think about the aggregation and curation challenge sometimes...
>
> and *sometimes* I even think of ways it might be made easier. I just tried
> Feed+ for generating feeds from public G+ posts -- it seems to work great
> for individual profiles, but failed for the Community profile. I emailed
> the author (a google employee and google apps script extraordinaire) to see
> about getting support in there for G+ Communities.
>
> if that were to become possible, then there can be a feed of posts. Maybe
> there's a way to rank by the accumulated +1's (in the feed, or
> post-processing).
>
> The feed could be
>
> MAPPED
>
> to an aggregator (I do this a lot in Drupal with feeds to import content,
> but it could just be dropped into a public couch instance); and then the
> newsy mailing-list worthy stuff could be quickly
>
> REDUCED
>
> by a tagging mechanism. E.g. tag share-worthy things "mailing list" and a
> weekly job sniffs those out and sends them to the mailing list. It's
> automated, but it's curated first.
>
> I'm not sure if all that hypothetical hocus pocus technology would actually
> make it easier than just scanning the community once a week sending out
> some interesting links :P I'm just brainstorming.
>
> :D
>
> --
> *matt j. sorenson*
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > I had a chat with Infra and they do not like automated posts to the
> mailing
> > list. I am going to set up some alarms for me to remind me to do weekly
> > roundups. That also means I get to curate the stuff I think is important.
> >
> >
> > On 9 March 2013 22:27, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > i will have a look to see if it can be automatised. If not i can
> > > probably do the weekly summary.
> > >
> > > - benoit
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > > Benoit,
> > > >
> > > > As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was wondering
> > > this
> > > > morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the activity
> > > > happening over there?
> > > >
> > > > See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow
> > > questions.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think this would be valuable?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone
> > reading
> > > >> this email.
> > > >>
> > > >> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make
> do
> > > >> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we
> must
> > > keep
> > > >> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by
> > > everyone.
> > > >>
> > > >> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to
> > suppress
> > > >> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to
> > > make
> > > >> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a
> > > problem
> > > >> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the
> project
> > > >> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
> > > >>
> > > >> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
> > > >> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do.
> > > It's a
> > > >> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the
> > > lists.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
> > > >>
> > > >> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together.
> Response
> > > >> here:
> > > >>
> > > >> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
> > > >>
> > > >> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
> > > >>
> > > >> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing
> your
> > > >> mail.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email
> sig
> > > when
> > > >>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> *matt *
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <
> > > matt@sorensonbros.net
> > > >>> >wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it
> > > won't
> > > >>> > happen.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical
> > destination.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web
> > > interface
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge
> > archive.
> > > >>> That
> > > >>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
> > > >>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates
> the
> > > >>> pockets
> > > >>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they
> > > emerge
> > > >>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more
> > sharing.
> > > The
> > > >>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck
> > that
> > > and
> > > >>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > --
> > > >>> > *matt j. sorenson*
> > > >>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > phone calls always welcome :)
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on
> Twitter
> > > or
> > > >>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that
> the
> > > >>> really
> > > >>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing
> > lists.
> > > You
> > > >>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
> > > >>> discussion
> > > >>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter
> > > back
> > > >>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can
> > see
> > > >>> it?
> > > >>> >> It
> > > >>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out
> > about
> > > >>> more
> > > >>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets
> more
> > > >>> >> exposure,
> > > >>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have
> > > support
> > > >>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...)
> .
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup
> > most
> > > of
> > > >>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to
> > > have
> > > >>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming
> from
> > > >>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and
> > > allows
> > > >>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your
> concern
> > > and
> > > >>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> > - benoît
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <
> nslater@apache.org
> > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically,
> > we've
> > > >>> >> struggled
> > > >>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it.
> There
> > > >>> should
> > > >>> >> be a
> > > >>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the
> > > community,
> > > >>> and
> > > >>> >> > that
> > > >>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't
> > > mean
> > > >>> >> there
> > > >>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places.
> > > But I
> > > >>> am
> > > >>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are
> > > >>> forming.
> > > >>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing
> > here.
> > > >>> >> > >
> > > >>> >> > >
> > > >>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <
> > matt@sorensonbros.net>
> > > >>> >> wrote:
> > > >>> >> > >
> > > >>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better,
> and
> > > stop
> > > >>> >> being
> > > >>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just
> > > left
> > > >>> it
> > > >>> >> at
> > > >>> >> > >> this...
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > > >>> >> > >> Hey,
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB
> on
> > > >>> Google+
> > > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >> --
> > > >>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> > > >>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <
> > > nslater@apache.org>
> > > >>> >> wrote:
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >> > Hey,
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>>
> > >
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB
> > on
> > > >>> >> Google+,
> > > >>> >> > but
> > > >>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from
> the
> > > >>> project
> > > >>> >> > lists,
> > > >>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should
> > talk
> > > >>> about
> > > >>> >> > >> CouchDB.
> > > >>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >> > Thanks,
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >> > --
> > > >>> >> > >> > NS
> > > >>> >> > >> >
> > > >>> >> > >>
> > > >>> >> > >
> > > >>> >> > >
> > > >>> >> > >
> > > >>> >> > > --
> > > >>> >> > > NS
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> --
> > > >>> >> NS
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> NS
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > NS
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
> >
>
--
NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by "matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>.
I think about the aggregation and curation challenge sometimes...
and *sometimes* I even think of ways it might be made easier. I just tried
Feed+ for generating feeds from public G+ posts -- it seems to work great
for individual profiles, but failed for the Community profile. I emailed
the author (a google employee and google apps script extraordinaire) to see
about getting support in there for G+ Communities.
if that were to become possible, then there can be a feed of posts. Maybe
there's a way to rank by the accumulated +1's (in the feed, or
post-processing).
The feed could be
MAPPED
to an aggregator (I do this a lot in Drupal with feeds to import content,
but it could just be dropped into a public couch instance); and then the
newsy mailing-list worthy stuff could be quickly
REDUCED
by a tagging mechanism. E.g. tag share-worthy things "mailing list" and a
weekly job sniffs those out and sends them to the mailing list. It's
automated, but it's curated first.
I'm not sure if all that hypothetical hocus pocus technology would actually
make it easier than just scanning the community once a week sending out
some interesting links :P I'm just brainstorming.
:D
--
*matt j. sorenson*
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I had a chat with Infra and they do not like automated posts to the mailing
> list. I am going to set up some alarms for me to remind me to do weekly
> roundups. That also means I get to curate the stuff I think is important.
>
>
> On 9 March 2013 22:27, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > i will have a look to see if it can be automatised. If not i can
> > probably do the weekly summary.
> >
> > - benoit
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Benoit,
> > >
> > > As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was wondering
> > this
> > > morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the activity
> > > happening over there?
> > >
> > > See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow
> > questions.
> > >
> > > Do you think this would be valuable?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone
> reading
> > >> this email.
> > >>
> > >> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make do
> > >> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we must
> > keep
> > >> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by
> > everyone.
> > >>
> > >> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to
> suppress
> > >> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to
> > make
> > >> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a
> > problem
> > >> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the project
> > >> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
> > >>
> > >> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
> > >> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do.
> > It's a
> > >> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the
> > lists.
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
> > >>
> > >> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together. Response
> > >> here:
> > >>
> > >> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
> > >>
> > >> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
> > >>
> > >> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing your
> > >> mail.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig
> > when
> > >>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> *matt *
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <
> > matt@sorensonbros.net
> > >>> >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it
> > won't
> > >>> > happen.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical
> destination.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web
> > interface
> > >>> to
> > >>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge
> archive.
> > >>> That
> > >>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
> > >>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the
> > >>> pockets
> > >>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they
> > emerge
> > >>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more
> sharing.
> > The
> > >>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck
> that
> > and
> > >>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
> > >>> > *matt j. sorenson*
> > >>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
> > >>> >
> > >>> > phone calls always welcome :)
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter
> > or
> > >>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the
> > >>> really
> > >>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing
> lists.
> > You
> > >>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
> > >>> discussion
> > >>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter
> > back
> > >>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can
> see
> > >>> it?
> > >>> >> It
> > >>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out
> about
> > >>> more
> > >>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
> > >>> >> exposure,
> > >>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have
> > support
> > >>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup
> most
> > of
> > >>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to
> > have
> > >>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
> > >>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and
> > allows
> > >>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern
> > and
> > >>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > - benoît
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically,
> we've
> > >>> >> struggled
> > >>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There
> > >>> should
> > >>> >> be a
> > >>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the
> > community,
> > >>> and
> > >>> >> > that
> > >>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't
> > mean
> > >>> >> there
> > >>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places.
> > But I
> > >>> am
> > >>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are
> > >>> forming.
> > >>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing
> here.
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <
> matt@sorensonbros.net>
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and
> > stop
> > >>> >> being
> > >>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just
> > left
> > >>> it
> > >>> >> at
> > >>> >> > >> this...
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > >>> >> > >> Hey,
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >>
> > >>>
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
> > >>> Google+
> > >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >> --
> > >>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> > >>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <
> > nslater@apache.org>
> > >>> >> wrote:
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >> > Hey,
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >>
> > >>>
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB
> on
> > >>> >> Google+,
> > >>> >> > but
> > >>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the
> > >>> project
> > >>> >> > lists,
> > >>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should
> talk
> > >>> about
> > >>> >> > >> CouchDB.
> > >>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >> > Thanks,
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >> > --
> > >>> >> > >> > NS
> > >>> >> > >> >
> > >>> >> > >>
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > >
> > >>> >> > > --
> > >>> >> > > NS
> > >>> >> >
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> --
> > >>> >> NS
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> NS
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > NS
> >
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
I had a chat with Infra and they do not like automated posts to the mailing
list. I am going to set up some alarms for me to remind me to do weekly
roundups. That also means I get to curate the stuff I think is important.
On 9 March 2013 22:27, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i will have a look to see if it can be automatised. If not i can
> probably do the weekly summary.
>
> - benoit
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Benoit,
> >
> > As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was wondering
> this
> > morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the activity
> > happening over there?
> >
> > See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow
> questions.
> >
> > Do you think this would be valuable?
> >
> >
> > On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone reading
> >> this email.
> >>
> >> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make do
> >> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we must
> keep
> >> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by
> everyone.
> >>
> >> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to suppress
> >> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to
> make
> >> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a
> problem
> >> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the project
> >> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
> >>
> >> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
> >> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do.
> It's a
> >> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the
> lists.
> >>
> >>
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
> >>
> >> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together. Response
> >> here:
> >>
> >> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
> >>
> >> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
> >>
> >> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing your
> >> mail.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig
> when
> >>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> *matt *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <
> matt@sorensonbros.net
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it
> won't
> >>> > happen.
> >>> >
> >>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
> >>> >
> >>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web
> interface
> >>> to
> >>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive.
> >>> That
> >>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
> >>> >
> >>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
> >>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the
> >>> pockets
> >>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they
> emerge
> >>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing.
> The
> >>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that
> and
> >>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
> >>> >
> >>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > *matt j. sorenson*
> >>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
> >>> >
> >>> > phone calls always welcome :)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter
> or
> >>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the
> >>> really
> >>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists.
> You
> >>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
> >>> discussion
> >>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter
> back
> >>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see
> >>> it?
> >>> >> It
> >>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about
> >>> more
> >>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
> >>> >> exposure,
> >>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have
> support
> >>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most
> of
> >>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to
> have
> >>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
> >>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and
> allows
> >>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern
> and
> >>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > - benoît
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've
> >>> >> struggled
> >>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There
> >>> should
> >>> >> be a
> >>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the
> community,
> >>> and
> >>> >> > that
> >>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't
> mean
> >>> >> there
> >>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places.
> But I
> >>> am
> >>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are
> >>> forming.
> >>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and
> stop
> >>> >> being
> >>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just
> left
> >>> it
> >>> >> at
> >>> >> > >> this...
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> >>> >> > >> Hey,
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
> >>> Google+
> >>> >> > >> -------------------------
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> --
> >>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> >>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <
> nslater@apache.org>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >> > Hey,
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
> >>> >> Google+,
> >>> >> > but
> >>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the
> >>> project
> >>> >> > lists,
> >>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk
> >>> about
> >>> >> > >> CouchDB.
> >>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >> > --
> >>> >> > >> > NS
> >>> >> > >> >
> >>> >> > >>
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > --
> >>> >> > > NS
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> NS
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> NS
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
>
--
NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
i will have a look to see if it can be automatised. If not i can
probably do the weekly summary.
- benoit
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Benoit,
>
> As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was wondering this
> morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the activity
> happening over there?
>
> See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow questions.
>
> Do you think this would be valuable?
>
>
> On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone reading
>> this email.
>>
>> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make do
>> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we must keep
>> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by everyone.
>>
>> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to suppress
>> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to make
>> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a problem
>> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the project
>> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
>>
>> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
>> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do. It's a
>> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the lists.
>>
>> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
>>
>> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together. Response
>> here:
>>
>> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
>>
>> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
>>
>> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing your
>> mail.
>>
>>
>> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>>
>>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig when
>>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
>>>
>>> --
>>> *matt *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it won't
>>> > happen.
>>> >
>>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
>>> >
>>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web interface
>>> to
>>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive.
>>> That
>>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
>>> >
>>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
>>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the
>>> pockets
>>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they emerge
>>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing. The
>>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that and
>>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
>>> >
>>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > *matt j. sorenson*
>>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
>>> >
>>> > phone calls always welcome :)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
>>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the
>>> really
>>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
>>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
>>> discussion
>>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
>>> >>
>>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter back
>>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see
>>> it?
>>> >> It
>>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about
>>> more
>>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
>>> >> exposure,
>>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
>>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
>>> >> >
>>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
>>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
>>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
>>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
>>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
>>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > - benoît
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've
>>> >> struggled
>>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There
>>> should
>>> >> be a
>>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community,
>>> and
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean
>>> >> there
>>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I
>>> am
>>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are
>>> forming.
>>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop
>>> >> being
>>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left
>>> it
>>> >> at
>>> >> > >> this...
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> -------------------------
>>> >> > >> Hey,
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
>>> Google+
>>> >> > >> -------------------------
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> --
>>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
>>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> > Hey,
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
>>> >> Google+,
>>> >> > but
>>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the
>>> project
>>> >> > lists,
>>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk
>>> about
>>> >> > >> CouchDB.
>>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > Thanks,
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >> > --
>>> >> > >> > NS
>>> >> > >> >
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > --
>>> >> > > NS
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> NS
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> NS
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Benoit,
As you seem to be a steward of the Google+ community, I was wondering this
morning if you would consider doing a weekly roundup of the activity
happening over there?
See my recent posts to the user list with links to StackOverflow questions.
Do you think this would be valuable?
On 5 March 2013 20:27, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone reading
> this email.
>
> And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make do
> with them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we must keep
> project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by everyone.
>
> These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to suppress
> any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to make
> sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a problem
> that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the project
> activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
>
> Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
> considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do. It's a
> weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the lists.
>
> https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
>
> I asked a few questions about how this is being put together. Response
> here:
>
> http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
>
> Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
>
> Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing your
> mail.
>
>
> On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>
>> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig when
>> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
>>
>> --
>> *matt *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it won't
>> > happen.
>> >
>> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
>> >
>> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web interface
>> to
>> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive.
>> That
>> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
>> >
>> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
>> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the
>> pockets
>> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they emerge
>> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing. The
>> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that and
>> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
>> >
>> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *matt j. sorenson*
>> > mobile: 320-424-0309
>> >
>> > phone calls always welcome :)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
>> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the
>> really
>> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
>> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest
>> discussion
>> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
>> >>
>> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter back
>> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see
>> it?
>> >> It
>> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about
>> more
>> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
>> >> exposure,
>> >> and perhaps more contributions.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
>> >> >
>> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
>> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
>> >> >
>> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
>> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
>> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
>> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
>> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
>> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
>> >> >
>> >> > - benoît
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've
>> >> struggled
>> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There
>> should
>> >> be a
>> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community,
>> and
>> >> > that
>> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean
>> >> there
>> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I
>> am
>> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are
>> forming.
>> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop
>> >> being
>> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left
>> it
>> >> at
>> >> > >> this...
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> -------------------------
>> >> > >> Hey,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
>> Google+
>> >> > >> -------------------------
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> --
>> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
>> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Hey,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
>> >> Google+,
>> >> > but
>> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the
>> project
>> >> > lists,
>> >> > >> > and way from the project.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk
>> about
>> >> > >> CouchDB.
>> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thanks,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > --
>> >> > >> > NS
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > NS
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> NS
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
--
NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
We are the community organisers for CouchDB. This list. Everyone reading
this email.
And the ASF tools might be clunky and whatever, but we have to make do with
them. And the ASF community guidelines dictate to us that we must keep
project activity happening on the lists where it can be seen by everyone.
These guidelines are not arbitrary either. Their goal is not to suppress
any discussion of a project outside of the project. Their goal is to make
sure that communities do not become fractured. Which is, again, a problem
that we ought to take seriously. How do we get as much of the project
activity happening in a single place so people can follow it?
Benoit, I think a weekly news thing is a great idea. And I've been
considering this for a few weeks now. Check out what CloudStack do. It's a
weekly roundup of all the things going on on the lists, and off the lists.
https://blogs.apache.org/cloudstack/entry/apache_cloudstack_weekly_news_11
I asked a few questions about how this is being put together. Response here:
http://markmail.org/message/d5td5ysoxonm7lvl
Now, who wants to take this idea and run with it?
Matt, if you make a request to infra they might consider removing your mail.
On 5 March 2013 16:34, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
> also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig when
> responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
>
> --
> *matt *
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <matt@sorensonbros.net
> >wrote:
>
> > 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it won't
> > happen.
> >
> > 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
> >
> > Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web interface to
> > the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive.
> That
> > in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
> >
> > I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
> > List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the
> pockets
> > of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they emerge
> > and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing. The
> > web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that and
> > control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
> >
> > p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > *matt j. sorenson*
> > mobile: 320-424-0309
> >
> > phone calls always welcome :)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
> >> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the really
> >> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
> >> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest discussion
> >> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
> >>
> >> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter back
> >> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see it?
> >> It
> >> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about more
> >> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
> >> exposure,
> >> and perhaps more contributions.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> >> >
> >> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
> >> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
> >> >
> >> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
> >> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
> >> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
> >> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
> >> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
> >> > let others post on their preferred media.
> >> >
> >> > - benoît
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've
> >> struggled
> >> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There should
> >> be a
> >> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community,
> and
> >> > that
> >> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean
> >> there
> >> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I
> am
> >> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are
> forming.
> >> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop
> >> being
> >> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left it
> >> at
> >> > >> this...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> -------------------------
> >> > >> Hey,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
> Google+
> >> > >> -------------------------
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> >> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> >> > >>
> >> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hey,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
> >> Google+,
> >> > but
> >> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the
> project
> >> > lists,
> >> > >> > and way from the project.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk
> about
> >> > >> CouchDB.
> >> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > NS
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > NS
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> NS
> >>
> >
> >
>
--
NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by "matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>.
also - invariably i will forget to rip my phone # out of my email sig when
responding to a publicly archived mailing list! gah!
--
*matt *
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:29 AM, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>wrote:
> 1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it won't
> happen.
>
> 2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
>
> Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web interface to
> the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive. That
> in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
>
> I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
> List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the pockets
> of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they emerge
> and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing. The
> web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that and
> control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
>
> p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
>
>
>
> --
> *matt j. sorenson*
> mobile: 320-424-0309
>
> phone calls always welcome :)
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
>> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the really
>> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
>> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest discussion
>> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
>>
>> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter back
>> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see it?
>> It
>> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about more
>> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more
>> exposure,
>> and perhaps more contributions.
>>
>>
>> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
>> >
>> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
>> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
>> >
>> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
>> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
>> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
>> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
>> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
>> > let others post on their preferred media.
>> >
>> > - benoît
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've
>> struggled
>> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There should
>> be a
>> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community, and
>> > that
>> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean
>> there
>> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I am
>> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are forming.
>> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop
>> being
>> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left it
>> at
>> > >> this...
>> > >>
>> > >> -------------------------
>> > >> Hey,
>> > >>
>> > >> Saw this post this morning:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>> > >>
>> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+
>> > >> -------------------------
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
>> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
>> > >>
>> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hey,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
>> Google+,
>> > but
>> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the project
>> > lists,
>> > >> > and way from the project.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk about
>> > >> CouchDB.
>> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thoughts on this?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > NS
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > NS
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> NS
>>
>
>
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by "matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>.
1) community growth will happen organically (as it ought), or it won't
happen.
2) I believe email is the least best "single" canonical destination.
Not least of all because the mailing list and the apache web interface to
the mailing list is a lousy news, information, and knowledge archive. That
in itself is enough of a limiting factor.
I think Benoit's on the right track - on the website, s/Mailing
List/Community and build the couchdb "planet", which aggregates the pockets
of couchdb cliques (as you refer to them) around the web as they emerge
and/or are discovered. Then encourage more cliques and more sharing. The
web decentralizes naturally and if someone thinks they can buck that and
control it, it will probably do more harm than good.
p.s. who *is* (are) the community organizer(s) for couchdb?
--
*matt j. sorenson*
mobile: 320-424-0309
phone calls always welcome :)
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
> Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the really
> important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
> know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest discussion
> happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
>
> How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter back
> upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see it? It
> is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about more
> things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more exposure,
> and perhaps more contributions.
>
>
> On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
> >
> > Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
> > done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
> >
> > One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
> > the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
> > the current website reworked to display informations coming from
> > different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
> > people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
> > let others post on their preferred media.
> >
> > - benoît
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've
> struggled
> > > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There should
> be a
> > > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community, and
> > that
> > > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean there
> > > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I am
> > > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are forming.
> > > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop
> being
> > >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left it at
> > >> this...
> > >>
> > >> -------------------------
> > >> Hey,
> > >>
> > >> Saw this post this morning:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > >>
> > >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+
> > >> -------------------------
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> *matt j. sorenson*
> > >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> > >>
> > >> phone calls always welcome :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hey,
> > >> >
> > >> > Saw this post this morning:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> > >> >
> > >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on
> Google+,
> > but
> > >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the project
> > lists,
> > >> > and way from the project.
> > >> >
> > >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk about
> > >> CouchDB.
> > >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thoughts on this?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > NS
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > NS
> >
>
>
>
> --
> NS
>
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
I would never say to someone "do not talk about CouchDB on Twitter or
Google+ or your own blog." No way! But I'd like to think that the really
important conversations are finding their way to the mailing lists. You
know. If you do a blog post, or you there's a really interest discussion
happening on StackOverflow... Share it with us here.
How can we encourage this sort of activity? For things to filter back
upstream to the project, where the majority of the community can see it? It
is beneficial for both parties. The wider community finds out about more
things going on. And the blog post, or the conversation gets more exposure,
and perhaps more contributions.
On 5 March 2013 15:54, Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
>
> Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
> done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
>
> One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
> the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
> the current website reworked to display informations coming from
> different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
> people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
> let others post on their preferred media.
>
> - benoît
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've struggled
> > with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There should be a
> > single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community, and
> that
> > should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean there
> > cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I am
> > concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are forming.
> > Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
> >
> >
> > On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
> >
> >> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop being
> >> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left it at
> >> this...
> >>
> >> -------------------------
> >> Hey,
> >>
> >> Saw this post this morning:
> >>
> >>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >>
> >> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+
> >> -------------------------
> >>
> >> --
> >> *matt j. sorenson*
> >> mobile: 320-424-0309
> >>
> >> phone calls always welcome :)
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hey,
> >> >
> >> > Saw this post this morning:
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >> >
> >> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+,
> but
> >> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the project
> lists,
> >> > and way from the project.
> >> >
> >> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk about
> >> CouchDB.
> >> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
> >> >
> >> > Thoughts on this?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > NS
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > NS
>
--
NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Benoit Chesneau <bc...@gmail.com>.
imo the more media we spread on, the better it is.
Ayway I can understand your concern (i'm more worried to have support
done on stackoverflow instead of proper mls and jira but ...) .
One of the good thing today in the web is that we can mashup most of
the services around in a website . I would find interesting to have
the current website reworked to display informations coming from
different sources: twitter, g+, of course ml (maybe more) and allows
people to search into that. I think it would solve your concern and
let others post on their preferred media.
- benoît
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've struggled
> with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There should be a
> single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community, and that
> should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean there
> cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I am
> concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are forming.
> Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
>
>
> On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
>
>> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop being
>> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left it at
>> this...
>>
>> -------------------------
>> Hey,
>>
>> Saw this post this morning:
>>
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>>
>> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+
>> -------------------------
>>
>> --
>> *matt j. sorenson*
>> mobile: 320-424-0309
>>
>> phone calls always welcome :)
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hey,
>> >
>> > Saw this post this morning:
>> >
>> >
>> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>> >
>> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+, but
>> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the project lists,
>> > and way from the project.
>> >
>> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk about
>> CouchDB.
>> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
>> >
>> > Thoughts on this?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > --
>> > NS
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>.
Community cohesion is a big concern for me. Historically, we've struggled
with this. And I think we could get a lot better at it. There should be a
single obvious place you can go to to be a part of the community, and that
should be the project mailing lists, blog, etc. That doesn't mean there
cannot or should not be pockets of activity in other places. But I am
concerned if those pockets of activity mean that cliques are forming.
Because that would be a detriment to the work we're doing here.
On 5 March 2013 15:36, matt j. sorenson <ma...@sorensonbros.net> wrote:
> sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop being
> fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left it at
> this...
>
> -------------------------
> Hey,
>
> Saw this post this morning:
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>
> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+
> -------------------------
>
> --
> *matt j. sorenson*
> mobile: 320-424-0309
>
> phone calls always welcome :)
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hey,
> >
> > Saw this post this morning:
> >
> >
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
> >
> > I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+, but
> > it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the project lists,
> > and way from the project.
> >
> > Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk about
> CouchDB.
> > But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
> >
> > Thoughts on this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > NS
> >
>
--
NS
Re: Google+ community?
Posted by "matt j. sorenson" <ma...@sorensonbros.net>.
sure, just encourage more sharing... the more the better, and stop being
fearful about it. you said it right yourself, if you'd just left it at
this...
-------------------------
Hey,
Saw this post this morning:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+
-------------------------
--
*matt j. sorenson*
mobile: 320-424-0309
phone calls always welcome :)
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hey,
>
> Saw this post this morning:
>
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/101311778896778283942/posts/iZgMeo5oGst?cfem=1
>
> I think it's great that stuff is happening around CouchDB on Google+, but
> it concerns me that news like this is posted away from the project lists,
> and way from the project.
>
> Obviously, we can't dictate to people where they should talk about CouchDB.
> But I am very concerned about us diluting our community.
>
> Thoughts on this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> NS
>