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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Eugene Suzyumov <e....@neoxia.com> on 2005/04/21 12:02:06 UTC
Looking for a book
Hi,
I'm starting with Struts.
I've read many articles on the web to understant what is & how to.
And now I'm looking for a book (an e-book or paper format) to understand
architecture programming with Struts, i.e. how to use Struts in a good
way. The books i've seen on the web (amazon.com) or library dealing with
Struts were really too poor in my oppinion on that topic, but may be I
missed smthing.
Would you have a book to advise dealing with Struts architecture
application ?
Regards
Eugene Suzyumov
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Re: Looking for a book
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
We've always shied away from defining best practices as part of the
project. The Struts framework is quite flexible, even to a fault, and
different people use it in many different ways.
My best suggestion is to "use the source". Don't look at the
framework as a black box that needs to be explained by gurus. Look at
it as something your own team wrote and that you have now inherited.
Review the code, and if there is something you don't understand, this
*is* the place to ask. :)
As it happens, I did put together a list of "best practices" for a
presentation recently. See the "Struts Best Practices" slide mentioned
here:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsUniversity
If someone wanted to start a set of wiki pages to correspond to the
slides, be my guest :)
There has been talk of refactoring the Struts MailReader example
application so that it is also a best practices application. Right
now, it sometimes does some things for the sake of demonstration,
which can be confusing.
Perhaps we should lobby Steve Raeburn to commit his Struts Cookbook
example application,
* http://www.ninsky.com/struts/
merge it with the other examples, so that we are left with Struts
MailReader and a Struts Cookbook. :)
I started another instance of a Struts Cookbook here,
* http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=49385&package_id=82307
to go along with the Struts Recipes title by Manning, but, sadly,
didn't have time to finish it.
HTH, Ted.
On 4/21/05, Eugene Suzyumov <e....@neoxia.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm starting with Struts.
> I've read many articles on the web to understant what is & how to.
> And now I'm looking for a book (an e-book or paper format) to understand
> architecture programming with Struts, i.e. how to use Struts in a good
> way. The books i've seen on the web (amazon.com) or library dealing with
> Struts were really too poor in my oppinion on that topic, but may be I
> missed smthing.
>
> Would you have a book to advise dealing with Struts architecture
> application ?
>
> Regards
> Eugene Suzyumov
>
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[Enough is enough] Re: Looking for a book
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>.
For the record, you are encouraged to ignore all statements made by Micael
McGrady, Dakota Jack, or Shey Rab Pawo. These people are actually the same
person masquerading as alternate identities, which would be fine if they all
didn't have the same PITA (see below) attitudes. His track record on this
list and others, has proven to be completely non-productive and, at best, a
general waste of everyone's time. What I find really sad is that even after
several people have explained to this guy the errors in his ways and
actions, in cut-throat clarity, he continues to spam the lists with his
useless defunct ideas that nobody listens to.
It is still not known why this particular user chooses to take such drastic
measures to conceal his true identity. The only thing worse than someone
trying to fool people by using different user accounts, is someone who is
too stupid to do it correctly. Next time Micael, try to pay closer
attention as you participate here, other lists and TSS feedback. By the
way, the post you sent to Struts with your Micael account was held in the
moderation queue, which you were obviously to careless to realize. When
that didn't arrive to the list, you followed up with one from the Dakota
account. How dumb do you think we are? Dude, you're not fooling anyone.
Oh, it gets better. And after all that, the only thing you managed to
accomplish was to piss off people here and on the Cocoon list....nice job!
This kind of behavior is described by the following web page:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts/DefinePita
This behavior has been discussed at length on and off list. It has been
determined that banning people who engage in this behavior has little effect
at deterring it, and, in some cases, only adds fuel to the fire.
--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
Yahoo: jmitchtx
MSN: jmitchell@apache.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shey Rab Pawo" <pa...@gmail.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for a book
In addition to the suggestions already made, you really can get a lot
from spending time going through the archives of Struts lists. There
really is not, I suspect, a good explanation of what the architecture,
at a deep level, is. Part of the reason for that may not be the lack
of good authors, etc. but the fat that at some levels there are holes
in the Struts architecture or vision that have yet to be filled. Or,
the reason may be that I cannot see the forest for the trees.
Namaste!
Shey Rab Pawo
On 4/21/05, Eugene Suzyumov <e....@neoxia.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm starting with Struts.
> I've read many articles on the web to understant what is & how to.
> And now I'm looking for a book (an e-book or paper format) to understand
> architecture programming with Struts, i.e. how to use Struts in a good
> way. The books i've seen on the web (amazon.com) or library dealing with
> Struts were really too poor in my oppinion on that topic, but may be I
> missed smthing.
>
> Would you have a book to advise dealing with Struts architecture
> application ?
>
> Regards
> Eugene Suzyumov
>
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>
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[Enough is enough] Re: Looking for a book
Posted by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org>.
For the record, you are encouraged to ignore all statements made by Micael
McGrady, Dakota Jack, or Shey Rab Pawo. These people are actually the same
person masquerading as alternate identities, which would be fine if they all
didn't have the same PITA (see below) attitudes. His track record on this
list and others, has proven to be completely non-productive and, at best, a
general waste of everyone's time. What I find really sad is that even after
several people have explained to this guy the errors in his ways and
actions, in cut-throat clarity, he continues to spam the lists with his
useless defunct ideas that nobody listens to.
It is still not known why this particular user chooses to take such drastic
measures to conceal his true identity. The only thing worse than someone
trying to fool people by using different user accounts, is someone who is
too stupid to do it correctly. Next time Micael, try to pay closer
attention as you participate here, other lists and TSS feedback. By the
way, the post you sent to Struts with your Micael account was held in the
moderation queue, which you were obviously to careless to realize. When
that didn't arrive to the list, you followed up with one from the Dakota
account. How dumb do you think we are? Dude, you're not fooling anyone.
Oh, it gets better. And after all that, the only thing you managed to
accomplish was to piss off people here and on the Cocoon list....nice job!
This kind of behavior is described by the following web page:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts/DefinePita
This behavior has been discussed at length on and off list. It has been
determined that banning people who engage in this behavior has little effect
at deterring it, and, in some cases, only adds fuel to the fire.
--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
Consulting / Mentoring / Freelance
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
Yahoo: jmitchtx
MSN: jmitchell@apache.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shey Rab Pawo" <pa...@gmail.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for a book
In addition to the suggestions already made, you really can get a lot
from spending time going through the archives of Struts lists. There
really is not, I suspect, a good explanation of what the architecture,
at a deep level, is. Part of the reason for that may not be the lack
of good authors, etc. but the fat that at some levels there are holes
in the Struts architecture or vision that have yet to be filled. Or,
the reason may be that I cannot see the forest for the trees.
Namaste!
Shey Rab Pawo
On 4/21/05, Eugene Suzyumov <e....@neoxia.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm starting with Struts.
> I've read many articles on the web to understant what is & how to.
> And now I'm looking for a book (an e-book or paper format) to understand
> architecture programming with Struts, i.e. how to use Struts in a good
> way. The books i've seen on the web (amazon.com) or library dealing with
> Struts were really too poor in my oppinion on that topic, but may be I
> missed smthing.
>
> Would you have a book to advise dealing with Struts architecture
> application ?
>
> Regards
> Eugene Suzyumov
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: user-help@struts.apache.org
>
>
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Re: Looking for a book
Posted by Shey Rab Pawo <pa...@gmail.com>.
In addition to the suggestions already made, you really can get a lot
from spending time going through the archives of Struts lists. There
really is not, I suspect, a good explanation of what the architecture,
at a deep level, is. Part of the reason for that may not be the lack
of good authors, etc. but the fat that at some levels there are holes
in the Struts architecture or vision that have yet to be filled. Or,
the reason may be that I cannot see the forest for the trees.
Namaste!
Shey Rab Pawo
On 4/21/05, Eugene Suzyumov <e....@neoxia.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm starting with Struts.
> I've read many articles on the web to understant what is & how to.
> And now I'm looking for a book (an e-book or paper format) to understand
> architecture programming with Struts, i.e. how to use Struts in a good
> way. The books i've seen on the web (amazon.com) or library dealing with
> Struts were really too poor in my oppinion on that topic, but may be I
> missed smthing.
>
> Would you have a book to advise dealing with Struts architecture
> application ?
>
> Regards
> Eugene Suzyumov
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: user-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
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>
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Re: Looking for a book
Posted by Michael Jouravlev <jm...@gmail.com>.
I went to Barnes & Noble about a month ago specifically to take a look
at Struts books. Here are some impressions:
http://www.jroller.com/page/javadujour/20050310#books_about_struts_as_bad
On 4/22/05, Eric C. Hein <er...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Also see this thread:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/user@struts.apache.org/msg23187.html
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eugene Suzyumov" <e....@neoxia.com>
> To: <us...@struts.apache.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:25 AM
> Subject: Re: Looking for a book
>
> > Many thanks for all your answers.
> > I'll tell you then what I'll buy.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Eugene Suzyumov
> >
> >
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Re: Looking for a book
Posted by "Eric C. Hein" <er...@sbcglobal.net>.
Also see this thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/user@struts.apache.org/msg23187.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eugene Suzyumov" <e....@neoxia.com>
To: <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for a book
> Many thanks for all your answers.
> I'll tell you then what I'll buy.
>
>
>
> Regards
> Eugene Suzyumov
>
>
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Re: Looking for a book
Posted by Eugene Suzyumov <e....@neoxia.com>.
Many thanks for all your answers.
I'll tell you then what I'll buy.
Regards
Eugene Suzyumov
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Re: Looking for a book
Posted by rams Gandhi <ra...@gmail.com>.
hi Eugene Suzyumov.........
I suggest U to read " Struts in Action "- by DreamTech Publications.
I think it's the one of the good book ....most of the Developers
follows it .
Thanks & Regards
Rams........
IAP Company Ltd.
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