[DISCUSS] BatchEE Graduation Trajectory

["John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>]

Changing the title to clarify what we're talking about now.

John

On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 4:48 PM Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.invalid>
wrote:

> Given that Geronimo is nowadays more a kind of „EE commons“, it might fit
> in there.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 08.08.2016 um 22:32 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >:
> >
> > Le 8 août 2016 21:04, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <jb...@nanthrax.net> a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi John,
> >>
> >> I've probably missed your ping. That's right that last month I didn't
> > sign for two reasons:
> >> 1. the report was empty
> >> 2. I don't see lot of activity on the BatchEE project:
> >> 2.1. There are some commits (
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-batchee/commits/master) but not
> super
> > active
> >> 2.2. Same for the mailing lists:
> >>  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-user/
> >>  http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-dev/
> >>
> >> I'm not sure that BatchEE can be a project by its own as I'm not sure we
> > have a community around (especially an user community).
> >
> > To be honest got very various feesback from tomcat, standalone and tomee
> > users. Putting batchee behind tomee or geronimo would kill the remaining
> > 66% of users IMO and the community would be quite weird or not
> > heterogeneous at least (so not a real one). That to say i have a very
> mixes
> > feeling about umbrella projects.
> >
> >> I agree with Romain that BatchEE could be part of a kind of umbrella
> > project.
> >> If we have good sign that we have an user community around, then it
> makes
> > sense to discuss about graduation.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> JB
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/08/2016 05:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Romain,
> >>>
> >>> I've actually been pushing to get BatchEE to graduate for some time.
> > IMHO
> >>> there's no more benefit in the incubator for you guys.
> >>>
> >>> I'm pointing out the issue, as last month a mentor refused sign off due
> > to
> >>> lack of content in your report.  The current report doesn't seem to be
> > much
> >>> better.  I pinged JB off list, so far no answer there either.
> >>>
> >>> - John
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:49 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi John,
> >>>>
> >>>> Think we can be blamed to not have answered you but we took actions in
> >>>> general. That said Mark was more pointing out that if there are issues
> > with
> >>>> the content it should probably be sent to batchee too explaining why
> and
> >>>> what is expected/how we can enhance it. Typically this time you
> pointed
> > out
> >>>> it was "too empty" for you but I'm not sure there is a list I'm not
> > aware
> >>>> of but it would have been completely silently ignored cause batchee@
> >>>> wouldn't have been notified of that.
> >>>>
> >>>> More generally it is quite hard to fill this report for stable
> projects
> >>>> (which doesn't mean they are not alive but just they are stable enough
> > to
> >>>> not get as much activity as BigData projects ;)). I'm not sure we
> should
> >>>> group them either in a new umbrella project or an existing one -
> > typically
> >>>> we could create an inconsistent bucket in term of user communities but
> >>>> consistent in term of maintainers/asf guys - or just keep it like that
> > but
> >>>> this "issue" will come back regularly I think and it would be great to
> >>>> "skip" these round trips if possible and have a clear statement about
> >>>> projects having by design an irregular activity - thinking to EE
> > projects
> >>>> which have a big activity after spec releases then mainly just
> > maintenance
> >>>> until next round.
> >>>>
> >>>> You probably guessed that I would love to avoid to let small projects
> be
> >>>> swallowed by bigger projects to skip this kind of lifecycle/activity
> > issue
> >>>> and avoid to create inconsistent (user) communities but I have to
> admit
> > I
> >>>> don't have a good view of the incubator freedom we can have on that
> > area.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
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> >>>>
> >>>> 2016-08-08 17:22 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM Mark Struberg
> <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid
> >>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> John, others. Would you please also add in the BatchEE amendments I
> > did
> >>>>>> today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Next time a draft is sent, it will be picked up (its just copy and
> >>>>
> >>>> paste).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The feedback mechanism is great but we could improve this by also
> >>>>
> >>>> sending
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> a mail to the respective podling if you have feedback.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know that I've personally sent feedback/questions to BatchEE
> before,
> >>>>> without any response from the podling.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/262e43b2bb49d1ef5058a74f43b4f7
> >>>>> c1e4ec6b9fb4f5896d28e95918@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
> >>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/044be9dc4b10136a7025ca5e031b33
> >>>>> 12e2dee8b93680483a754b594e@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That way we could fix left-overs and missed paragraphs much easier.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> txs and LieGrue,
> >>>>>> strub
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> >> jbonofre@apache.org
> >> http://blog.nanthrax.net
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