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Posted to dev@couchdb.apache.org by Joan Touzet <jo...@lrtw.org> on 2014/07/21 22:55:52 UTC
[VOTE] Official CouchDB Bylaws
Voting period starts 21:00:00 UTC on Monday, July 21, 2014
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, July 27, 2014
INTRODUCTION
============
This Call For Votes is for voting in an official set of Apache CouchDB
bylaws. This vote is being conducted as required by the proposed bylaws
themselves. For voting questions or problems, contact the PMC at
private@couchdb.apache.org.
The intent is to make this an official document of Apache CouchDB.
To cast a binding vote, you need to be a CouchDB PMC member.
As this is the first vote of its kind, and this document is foundational
to our decision-making process in the future, _the PMC is asking all
active committers to cast voluntary, non-binding votes as well_.
HOW TO VOTE
===========
First, read the full text of the proposal.
The text of the bylaw document being voted on can be found at:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40511017
The vote is on version 88 of this document as displayed in the document
page history at:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=40511017
The page has been locked for edits until the vote is concluded.
To cast a vote, it is necessary to reply to this email, at
dev@couchdb.apache.org
with your vote as outlined under Section 3.3 of the Bylaws. As a
reminder, for the purpose of tallying, all values will be counted as +1,
-1 or nothing.
Re: [VOTE] Official CouchDB Bylaws
Posted by Joan Touzet <wo...@apache.org>.
Given your strong objection here, the implied -1 and the desire of the PMC to have unanimity on this first important document, I will cancel the vote, update the document and issue a new vote.
All 1 vote(s) issued to date are null and void. Please stand by for another CFV.
-Joan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Samuel Newson" <rn...@apache.org>
To: dev@couchdb.apache.org
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2014 7:28:46 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Official CouchDB Bylaws
Hi,
I’ve read the new draft and I am very pleased with it. I have one issue that prevents me voting for the bylaws;
Section 2.4: "The PMC is the Chair's committee and operates at the behest of the Chair."
This contrasts starkly with https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair; "Remember that, as in any meeting, the chair is a facilitator and their role within the PMC is to ensure that everyone has a chance to be heard and to enable meetings to flow smoothly. There is no concept of "leader" in the Apache way."
I would like the sentence struck.
Related to that, the sentence "As an officer of the Foundation, the Chair has extraordinary powers, up-to and including the disbandment of the entire PMC. While the use of such powers is obviously not expected, if it could be justified to the Board, the Chair has the power to enact any sort of change." needs a citation. I can’t quite find this language elsewhere in the ASF but would gladly accept a pointer.
That the Chair has an oversight role is obvious and non-controversial. The language in our bylaws implies that the Chair is the leader and supreme controller, and I’m not signing on to that.
B.
On 21 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Robert Kowalski <ro...@kowalski.gd> wrote:
> Great work, +1 alot!
>
>
> 2014-07-21 22:55 GMT+02:00 Joan Touzet <jo...@lrtw.org>:
>
>> Voting period starts 21:00:00 UTC on Monday, July 21, 2014
>> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, July 27, 2014
>>
>>
>> INTRODUCTION
>> ============
>> This Call For Votes is for voting in an official set of Apache CouchDB
>> bylaws. This vote is being conducted as required by the proposed bylaws
>> themselves. For voting questions or problems, contact the PMC at
>> private@couchdb.apache.org.
>>
>> The intent is to make this an official document of Apache CouchDB.
>>
>> To cast a binding vote, you need to be a CouchDB PMC member.
>>
>> As this is the first vote of its kind, and this document is foundational
>> to our decision-making process in the future, _the PMC is asking all
>> active committers to cast voluntary, non-binding votes as well_.
>>
>>
>> HOW TO VOTE
>> ===========
>> First, read the full text of the proposal.
>>
>> The text of the bylaw document being voted on can be found at:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40511017
>>
>> The vote is on version 88 of this document as displayed in the document
>> page history at:
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=40511017
>>
>> The page has been locked for edits until the vote is concluded.
>>
>> To cast a vote, it is necessary to reply to this email, at
>>
>> dev@couchdb.apache.org
>>
>> with your vote as outlined under Section 3.3 of the Bylaws. As a
>> reminder, for the purpose of tallying, all values will be counted as +1,
>> -1 or nothing.
>>
Re: [VOTE] Official CouchDB Bylaws
Posted by Robert Samuel Newson <rn...@apache.org>.
Hi,
I’ve read the new draft and I am very pleased with it. I have one issue that prevents me voting for the bylaws;
Section 2.4: "The PMC is the Chair's committee and operates at the behest of the Chair."
This contrasts starkly with https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair; "Remember that, as in any meeting, the chair is a facilitator and their role within the PMC is to ensure that everyone has a chance to be heard and to enable meetings to flow smoothly. There is no concept of "leader" in the Apache way."
I would like the sentence struck.
Related to that, the sentence "As an officer of the Foundation, the Chair has extraordinary powers, up-to and including the disbandment of the entire PMC. While the use of such powers is obviously not expected, if it could be justified to the Board, the Chair has the power to enact any sort of change." needs a citation. I can’t quite find this language elsewhere in the ASF but would gladly accept a pointer.
That the Chair has an oversight role is obvious and non-controversial. The language in our bylaws implies that the Chair is the leader and supreme controller, and I’m not signing on to that.
B.
On 21 Jul 2014, at 22:14, Robert Kowalski <ro...@kowalski.gd> wrote:
> Great work, +1 alot!
>
>
> 2014-07-21 22:55 GMT+02:00 Joan Touzet <jo...@lrtw.org>:
>
>> Voting period starts 21:00:00 UTC on Monday, July 21, 2014
>> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, July 27, 2014
>>
>>
>> INTRODUCTION
>> ============
>> This Call For Votes is for voting in an official set of Apache CouchDB
>> bylaws. This vote is being conducted as required by the proposed bylaws
>> themselves. For voting questions or problems, contact the PMC at
>> private@couchdb.apache.org.
>>
>> The intent is to make this an official document of Apache CouchDB.
>>
>> To cast a binding vote, you need to be a CouchDB PMC member.
>>
>> As this is the first vote of its kind, and this document is foundational
>> to our decision-making process in the future, _the PMC is asking all
>> active committers to cast voluntary, non-binding votes as well_.
>>
>>
>> HOW TO VOTE
>> ===========
>> First, read the full text of the proposal.
>>
>> The text of the bylaw document being voted on can be found at:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40511017
>>
>> The vote is on version 88 of this document as displayed in the document
>> page history at:
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=40511017
>>
>> The page has been locked for edits until the vote is concluded.
>>
>> To cast a vote, it is necessary to reply to this email, at
>>
>> dev@couchdb.apache.org
>>
>> with your vote as outlined under Section 3.3 of the Bylaws. As a
>> reminder, for the purpose of tallying, all values will be counted as +1,
>> -1 or nothing.
>>
Re: [VOTE] Official CouchDB Bylaws
Posted by Robert Kowalski <ro...@kowalski.gd>.
Great work, +1 alot!
2014-07-21 22:55 GMT+02:00 Joan Touzet <jo...@lrtw.org>:
> Voting period starts 21:00:00 UTC on Monday, July 21, 2014
> Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, July 27, 2014
>
>
> INTRODUCTION
> ============
> This Call For Votes is for voting in an official set of Apache CouchDB
> bylaws. This vote is being conducted as required by the proposed bylaws
> themselves. For voting questions or problems, contact the PMC at
> private@couchdb.apache.org.
>
> The intent is to make this an official document of Apache CouchDB.
>
> To cast a binding vote, you need to be a CouchDB PMC member.
>
> As this is the first vote of its kind, and this document is foundational
> to our decision-making process in the future, _the PMC is asking all
> active committers to cast voluntary, non-binding votes as well_.
>
>
> HOW TO VOTE
> ===========
> First, read the full text of the proposal.
>
> The text of the bylaw document being voted on can be found at:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=40511017
>
> The vote is on version 88 of this document as displayed in the document
> page history at:
>
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpreviousversions.action?pageId=40511017
>
> The page has been locked for edits until the vote is concluded.
>
> To cast a vote, it is necessary to reply to this email, at
>
> dev@couchdb.apache.org
>
> with your vote as outlined under Section 3.3 of the Bylaws. As a
> reminder, for the purpose of tallying, all values will be counted as +1,
> -1 or nothing.
>