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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by Wang Fei <py...@gmail.com> on 2013/03/28 15:35:00 UTC
How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
It is understood that the maximum number of VLAN is 4096 in advanced zone.
and it is very common one account can own 3-4 VLANs in practice. maybe
more. therefore hundreds of account can be only supported in one zone. how
you beyond this limitation? To add more zones?
----
best regards
Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us>.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Wang Fei <py...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is understood that the maximum number of VLAN is 4096 in advanced zone.
> and it is very common one account can own 3-4 VLANs in practice. maybe
> more. therefore hundreds of account can be only supported in one zone. how
> you beyond this limitation? To add more zones?
>
More zones is one way.
Marcus wrote QinQ support (I think it's KVM only) , which is another
potential solution.
You can also get away from VLANs and use pther isolation methods like
security groups or some of the SDN solutions (Nicira NVP, GRE tunnels,
etc)
Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:02:26PM -0400, Dave Dunaway wrote:
> I know my work place would be certainly interested in VXLAN support.
>
> The truth is, depending on your network gear... you may not come close to
> being able to use 4096 VLAN's (which is itself even can be a lie, since you
> need the better top half of that range with Cisco gear for cisco'ish
> things) ... and then never mind if you use stuff like UCS which only
> supports 1024 VLAN's last I checked.
>
> Go Cisco!
There's a related scaling limit that's sometimes called "vlan port
count" that matters as well, which, depending on your VM density, can
drastically effect the scaling of a zone that uses VLAN isolation. Other
vendors have similar constraints, and some are actually tied to a
specific chipset that many switch vendors use.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Marcel Keller <ma...@citrix.com>wrote:
>
> > I apologize for that, that was my mistake. Lets say in future releases...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> > Sent: Donnerstag, 28. März 2013 16:19
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Cc: pythonee@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 02:48:16PM +0000, Marcel Keller wrote:
> > > At the moment, the only way is to add additional availability zones,
> > however there are some plans to support VXLAN with Felton Release!
> >
> > Marcel,
> >
> > Apache CloudStack has no such "release" called Felton. Please don't
> > discuss a commercial product that happens to be based on CloudStack as if
> > it is CloudStack.
> >
> > As for VXLAN support, it has only been discussed within the context of
> > adding ASA 1000v support (and within that discussion it was moved to "open
> > items" in the spec).
> >
> > If folks think this is a good addition, please weigh in here or on the dev
> > list.
> >
Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by Dave Dunaway <da...@gmail.com>.
I know my work place would be certainly interested in VXLAN support.
The truth is, depending on your network gear... you may not come close to
being able to use 4096 VLAN's (which is itself even can be a lie, since you
need the better top half of that range with Cisco gear for cisco'ish
things) ... and then never mind if you use stuff like UCS which only
supports 1024 VLAN's last I checked.
Go Cisco!
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Marcel Keller <ma...@citrix.com>wrote:
> I apologize for that, that was my mistake. Lets say in future releases...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
> Sent: Donnerstag, 28. März 2013 16:19
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: pythonee@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 02:48:16PM +0000, Marcel Keller wrote:
> > At the moment, the only way is to add additional availability zones,
> however there are some plans to support VXLAN with Felton Release!
>
> Marcel,
>
> Apache CloudStack has no such "release" called Felton. Please don't
> discuss a commercial product that happens to be based on CloudStack as if
> it is CloudStack.
>
> As for VXLAN support, it has only been discussed within the context of
> adding ASA 1000v support (and within that discussion it was moved to "open
> items" in the spec).
>
> If folks think this is a good addition, please weigh in here or on the dev
> list.
>
RE: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by Marcel Keller <ma...@citrix.com>.
I apologize for that, that was my mistake. Lets say in future releases...
-----Original Message-----
From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
Sent: Donnerstag, 28. März 2013 16:19
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: pythonee@gmail.com
Subject: Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 02:48:16PM +0000, Marcel Keller wrote:
> At the moment, the only way is to add additional availability zones, however there are some plans to support VXLAN with Felton Release!
Marcel,
Apache CloudStack has no such "release" called Felton. Please don't discuss a commercial product that happens to be based on CloudStack as if it is CloudStack.
As for VXLAN support, it has only been discussed within the context of adding ASA 1000v support (and within that discussion it was moved to "open items" in the spec).
If folks think this is a good addition, please weigh in here or on the dev list.
Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 02:48:16PM +0000, Marcel Keller wrote:
> At the moment, the only way is to add additional availability zones, however there are some plans to support VXLAN with Felton Release!
Marcel,
Apache CloudStack has no such "release" called Felton. Please don't
discuss a commercial product that happens to be based on CloudStack
as if it is CloudStack.
As for VXLAN support, it has only been discussed within the context
of adding ASA 1000v support (and within that discussion it
was moved to "open items" in the spec).
If folks think this is a good addition, please weigh in here or on the
dev list.
Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by Chiradeep Vittal <Ch...@citrix.com>.
If there is interest, the GRE controller implementation can be easily be
extended to KVM and "productized"
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/mg-MAQ is the feature
And
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/x/nA-MAQ are some unimplemented
improvements
On 3/28/13 1:13 PM, "Kelly Hair" <ke...@citrix.com> wrote:
>Good to see it's going into Felton but that's the Citrix roll. What
>version of CloudStack will VXLAN support be available?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 3/28/13 10:48 AM, "Marcel Keller" <ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
>
>>At the moment, the only way is to add additional availability zones,
>>however there are some plans to support VXLAN with Felton Release!
>>
>>
>>Marcel Keller
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>>
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>>Marcel.Keller@citrix.com
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Wang Fei [mailto:pythonee@gmail.com]
>>Sent: Donnerstag, 28. März 2013 15:35
>>To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
>>Subject: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
>>
>>It is understood that the maximum number of VLAN is 4096 in advanced
>>zone.
>>and it is very common one account can own 3-4 VLANs in practice. maybe
>>more. therefore hundreds of account can be only supported in one zone.
>>how you beyond this limitation? To add more zones?
>>
>>
>>
>>----
>>best regards
>
Re: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by Kelly Hair <ke...@citrix.com>.
Good to see it's going into Felton but that's the Citrix roll. What
version of CloudStack will VXLAN support be available?
On 3/28/13 10:48 AM, "Marcel Keller" <ma...@citrix.com> wrote:
>At the moment, the only way is to add additional availability zones,
>however there are some plans to support VXLAN with Felton Release!
>
>
>Marcel Keller
>______________________________________________________
>Cloud Implementation Engineer Worldwide Cloud Consulting
>
>Citrix Systems GmbH | Am Soeldnermoos 17 | D-85399 Hallbergmoos
>Mob: +49 151 140 587 01
>Marcel.Keller@citrix.com
>http://www.citrix.com
>
>Citrix Systems GmbH
>Geschäftsführer: Carlos Sartorius | Scott Herren
>Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hallbergmoos
>Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRB 113576
>
>CONFIDENTIAL
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>contain privileged or confidential information. Any unauthorized
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>Thank you.
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>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wang Fei [mailto:pythonee@gmail.com]
>Sent: Donnerstag, 28. März 2013 15:35
>To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
>
>It is understood that the maximum number of VLAN is 4096 in advanced zone.
>and it is very common one account can own 3-4 VLANs in practice. maybe
>more. therefore hundreds of account can be only supported in one zone.
>how you beyond this limitation? To add more zones?
>
>
>
>----
>best regards
RE: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
Posted by Marcel Keller <ma...@citrix.com>.
At the moment, the only way is to add additional availability zones, however there are some plans to support VXLAN with Felton Release!
Marcel Keller
______________________________________________________
Cloud Implementation Engineer – Worldwide Cloud Consulting
Citrix Systems GmbH | Am Soeldnermoos 17 | D-85399 Hallbergmoos
Mob: +49 151 140 587 01
Marcel.Keller@citrix.com
http://www.citrix.com
Citrix Systems GmbH
Geschäftsführer: Carlos Sartorius | Scott Herren
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Hallbergmoos
Registergericht: Amtsgericht München, HRB 113576
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-----Original Message-----
From: Wang Fei [mailto:pythonee@gmail.com]
Sent: Donnerstag, 28. März 2013 15:35
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: How do you work around the 4096 VLANs limitation?
It is understood that the maximum number of VLAN is 4096 in advanced zone.
and it is very common one account can own 3-4 VLANs in practice. maybe more. therefore hundreds of account can be only supported in one zone. how you beyond this limitation? To add more zones?
----
best regards