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Posted to dev@deltaspike.apache.org by Marvin Toll <Ma...@gtcGroup.com> on 2016/02/23 05:37:21 UTC
CdiRunner --> Rule
DeltaSpike Colleagues,
We haven't shared this until now. since there was not a lot to talk about
until it was working.
Ford has partnered with an Open Source team to utilize a 100% rule-based
testing approach that wraps JUnit 4. As part of this effort, the CdiRuner
was mostly eliminated in favor of a JstConfigureCdiForMethodRule Rule:
http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_configure_cdi_for_method_rule_8java_source.html
A light weight JstSatisfyAnnotationOnTestMethodRunner runner does remain if
required:
http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_
source.html
The Open Source project is called Justify at:
http://pedcentral.com/hands-on/justify/
Any thoughts or feedback are welcomed.
_Marvin
RE: CdiRunner --> Rule
Posted by Marvin Toll <Ma...@gtcGroup.com>.
John – thanks for your pre-release comments:
1) The GA release is pending, probably early next week. We are in the final stages of testing at Ford. At that time we will publish to Maven Central.
2) There is a QuickStart page http://pedcentral.com/hands-on/justify/justify-quickstart/ that includes access to ~200 tests
3) We will be expanding on the “Sample” project you see if using the “QuickStart” – for now, check out the “justify-test” project
_Marvin
From: John D. Ament [mailto:johndament@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:06 PM
To: dev@deltaspike.apache.org; MarvinToll@gtcgroup.com
Subject: Re: CdiRunner --> Rule
Marvin,
Definitely interesting. I've considered such an approach before, but never saw it implemented, so kudos. There's a few things I see missing.
- Examples. How do I use these things? What does a test based on Justify look like with CDI support?
- Publishing. This library isn't built/deployed out to maven central or bintray as far as I can tell. This means users need to build it themselves. Convenience binaries are so useful, especially when there's no build script.
John
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:39 PM Marvin Toll <MarvinToll@gtcgroup.com <ma...@gtcgroup.com> > wrote:
DeltaSpike Colleagues,
We haven't shared this until now. since there was not a lot to talk about
until it was working.
Ford has partnered with an Open Source team to utilize a 100% rule-based
testing approach that wraps JUnit 4. As part of this effort, the CdiRuner
was mostly eliminated in favor of a JstConfigureCdiForMethodRule Rule:
http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_configure_cdi_for_method_rule_8java_source.html
A light weight JstSatisfyAnnotationOnTestMethodRunner runner does remain if
required:
http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_ <http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_source.html>
source.html
The Open Source project is called Justify at:
http://pedcentral.com/hands-on/justify/
Any thoughts or feedback are welcomed.
_Marvin
RE: CdiRunner --> Rule
Posted by Marvin Toll <Ma...@gtcGroup.com>.
Gerhard,
The value proposition for Justify goes beyond what any one technology can deliver. For example - https://deltaspike.apache.org/documentation/test-control.html#Usingjersey-testwithtest-control
We found additional clashes between various technologies.
In addition, there is the underlying philosophical position, “real” vs. “mocks”, represented by JUST [ http://pedcentral.com/principles/junit-testing/ ]. That is, we are not simply peddling a technology but seeking to influence approach.
_Marvin
From: Gerhard Petracek [mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2016 2:58 AM
To: dev@deltaspike.apache.org
Cc: Marvin Toll <Ma...@gtcgroup.com>
Subject: Re: CdiRunner --> Rule
hi @ all,
yes - we discussed it several times, however, so far there was not enough time (+ concrete demand) to add a rule (which supports all the existing features).
maybe we can create one for one of the upcoming versions.
regards,
gerhard
Re: CdiRunner --> Rule
Posted by Gerhard Petracek <ge...@gmail.com>.
hi @ all,
yes - we discussed it several times, however, so far there was not enough
time (+ concrete demand) to add a rule (which supports all the existing
features).
maybe we can create one for one of the upcoming versions.
regards,
gerhard
2016-02-24 8:00 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> Hi Marvin,
>
> really like and actually need the rule approach - as opposed to runner -
> since few years. That's why I created rule-them-all originally -
> https://github.com/rmannibucau/rule-them-all.
>
> TomEE also has the same spirit with its
> [Single]ApplicationComposerRule/ApplicationRule/ContainerRule rules which
> are integrated with JAXRS and most of EE stack (
>
> https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/120a33c7b4de07ae01c17978ea37d88a911ea860/container/openejb-core/src/test/java/org/apache/openejb/junit/ContainerApplicationRuleTest.java
> or
>
> https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/120a33c7b4de07ae01c17978ea37d88a911ea860/server/openejb-http/src/test/java/org/apache/openejb/server/httpd/ResourcesTest.java
> )
>
> Think it could makes sense to have a CdiRule in deltaspike reusing the
> CdiRunner logic.
>
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
> <http://www.tomitribe.com>
>
> 2016-02-24 1:06 GMT+01:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
>
> > Marvin,
> >
> > Definitely interesting. I've considered such an approach before, but
> never
> > saw it implemented, so kudos. There's a few things I see missing.
> >
> > - Examples. How do I use these things? What does a test based on
> Justify
> > look like with CDI support?
> >
> > - Publishing. This library isn't built/deployed out to maven central or
> > bintray as far as I can tell. This means users need to build it
> > themselves. Convenience binaries are so useful, especially when there's
> no
> > build script.
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:39 PM Marvin Toll <Ma...@gtcgroup.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > DeltaSpike Colleagues,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We haven't shared this until now. since there was not a lot to talk
> about
> > > until it was working.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ford has partnered with an Open Source team to utilize a 100%
> rule-based
> > > testing approach that wraps JUnit 4. As part of this effort, the
> CdiRuner
> > > was mostly eliminated in favor of a JstConfigureCdiForMethodRule Rule:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_configure_cdi_for_method_rule_8java_source.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > A light weight JstSatisfyAnnotationOnTestMethodRunner runner does
> remain
> > if
> > > required:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_
> > > source.html
> > > <
> >
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_source.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Open Source project is called Justify at:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://pedcentral.com/hands-on/justify/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any thoughts or feedback are welcomed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _Marvin
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: CdiRunner --> Rule
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Marvin,
really like and actually need the rule approach - as opposed to runner -
since few years. That's why I created rule-them-all originally -
https://github.com/rmannibucau/rule-them-all.
TomEE also has the same spirit with its
[Single]ApplicationComposerRule/ApplicationRule/ContainerRule rules which
are integrated with JAXRS and most of EE stack (
https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/120a33c7b4de07ae01c17978ea37d88a911ea860/container/openejb-core/src/test/java/org/apache/openejb/junit/ContainerApplicationRuleTest.java
or
https://github.com/apache/tomee/blob/120a33c7b4de07ae01c17978ea37d88a911ea860/server/openejb-http/src/test/java/org/apache/openejb/server/httpd/ResourcesTest.java
)
Think it could makes sense to have a CdiRule in deltaspike reusing the
CdiRunner logic.
Romain Manni-Bucau
@rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
<http://www.tomitribe.com>
2016-02-24 1:06 GMT+01:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> Marvin,
>
> Definitely interesting. I've considered such an approach before, but never
> saw it implemented, so kudos. There's a few things I see missing.
>
> - Examples. How do I use these things? What does a test based on Justify
> look like with CDI support?
>
> - Publishing. This library isn't built/deployed out to maven central or
> bintray as far as I can tell. This means users need to build it
> themselves. Convenience binaries are so useful, especially when there's no
> build script.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:39 PM Marvin Toll <Ma...@gtcgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
> > DeltaSpike Colleagues,
> >
> >
> >
> > We haven't shared this until now. since there was not a lot to talk about
> > until it was working.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ford has partnered with an Open Source team to utilize a 100% rule-based
> > testing approach that wraps JUnit 4. As part of this effort, the CdiRuner
> > was mostly eliminated in favor of a JstConfigureCdiForMethodRule Rule:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_configure_cdi_for_method_rule_8java_source.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A light weight JstSatisfyAnnotationOnTestMethodRunner runner does remain
> if
> > required:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_
> > source.html
> > <
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_source.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Open Source project is called Justify at:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://pedcentral.com/hands-on/justify/
> >
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts or feedback are welcomed.
> >
> >
> >
> > _Marvin
> >
> >
>
Re: CdiRunner --> Rule
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Marvin,
Definitely interesting. I've considered such an approach before, but never
saw it implemented, so kudos. There's a few things I see missing.
- Examples. How do I use these things? What does a test based on Justify
look like with CDI support?
- Publishing. This library isn't built/deployed out to maven central or
bintray as far as I can tell. This means users need to build it
themselves. Convenience binaries are so useful, especially when there's no
build script.
John
On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:39 PM Marvin Toll <Ma...@gtcgroup.com>
wrote:
> DeltaSpike Colleagues,
>
>
>
> We haven't shared this until now. since there was not a lot to talk about
> until it was working.
>
>
>
> Ford has partnered with an Open Source team to utilize a 100% rule-based
> testing approach that wraps JUnit 4. As part of this effort, the CdiRuner
> was mostly eliminated in favor of a JstConfigureCdiForMethodRule Rule:
>
>
>
>
>
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_configure_cdi_for_method_rule_8java_source.html
>
>
>
>
> A light weight JstSatisfyAnnotationOnTestMethodRunner runner does remain if
> required:
>
>
>
>
>
> http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_
> source.html
> <http://ped.gtcgroup.com/_jst_satisfy_annotation_on_test_method_runner_8java_source.html>
>
>
>
> The Open Source project is called Justify at:
>
>
>
> http://pedcentral.com/hands-on/justify/
>
>
>
> Any thoughts or feedback are welcomed.
>
>
>
> _Marvin
>
>