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Posted to dev@servicemix.apache.org by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com> on 2010/10/15 00:20:21 UTC
[Discussion] Web site updating
I saw that there have been a number of starts for getting the project Web
site updated, but not a lot of forward progress. I'd like to help out and
have the time to get some of the work done.
I like the proposal at http://servicemix.apache.org/home2.html. It does a
nice job of presenting a unified entry point and guiding a visitor to the
version of ServiceMix they want. The side menu could be de-cluttered allot.
Perhaps removing the documentation and component sections and adding short
sections for SMX3 and SMX4?
For the version specific sub-sites there needs to be some re-org as well to
make it clear what information is for users and what is for developers. The
SMX4 stuff should probably be re-orged to remove the distictions between the
NMR, Kernel, and ServiceMix.
As for the discussion about moving some of the documentation into DocBook,
or at least into something that can be versioned better, I can help with
that as well. There needs to be some distinction between what should be done
in the Wiki and what should be done in DocBook. IMHO user-facing,
authoritative content should be done in DocBook and technical articles,
knowledge base articles, FAQs, and more developer focused stuff should be
done in the Wiki.
Would it make sense to move the main site pages out of confluence and into a
format that can be stored in SVN? Maybe use a tool like Scalate?
Cheers,
Eric J.
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Re: [Discussion] Web site updating
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
As a writer and not much of a coder, I love the idea of a docuthon:)
On Friday, October 15, 2010, Adrian Trenaman <tr...@progress.com> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> I'd be very happy to get the stuff out of confluence and into SVN as you propose. I saw a post from James on Scalate, and I think that it would be great way to leverage Scalate as part of our renovation.
>
> Possibly the most important things for me are:
>
> a) That it becomes part of source-code control. This makes documentation a 'first class citizen' in our community, and allows talented writers to contribute and become recognized committers. In the past, there has been little incentive or recognition for writing documentation, and this will fix that.
>
> b) That whatever format we use is easy-peasy to write, and lets us focus on content/structure rather than formatting.
>
> On a related note, the documentation problem on the Apache site is, I feel, doing the ServiceMix community a disservice - yet, thankfully, its not an NP-hard problem to fix! To fix it fast, I'd like to propose a 'docuthon' event. If someone can set out the structure of the documentation, and then create a load of JIRA's for the individual sections/sub-sections that need to be written, we could mobilize the community for a single week to stop coding and get writing, for just one week. Then, someone in an 'editor' role can pull it all together, clean it up, and enforce coherency.
>
> What do you think?
>
> On 15/10/2010 00:20, Eric Johnson wrote:
>
> I saw that there have been a number of starts for getting the project Web
> site updated, but not a lot of forward progress. I'd like to help out and
> have the time to get some of the work done.
>
> I like the proposal at http://servicemix.apache.org/home2.html. It does a
> nice job of presenting a unified entry point and guiding a visitor to the
> version of ServiceMix they want. The side menu could be de-cluttered allot.
> Perhaps removing the documentation and component sections and adding short
> sections for SMX3 and SMX4?
>
> For the version specific sub-sites there needs to be some re-org as well to
> make it clear what information is for users and what is for developers. The
> SMX4 stuff should probably be re-orged to remove the distictions between the
> NMR, Kernel, and ServiceMix.
>
> As for the discussion about moving some of the documentation into DocBook,
> or at least into something that can be versioned better, I can help with
> that as well. There needs to be some distinction between what should be done
> in the Wiki and what should be done in DocBook. IMHO user-facing,
> authoritative content should be done in DocBook and technical articles,
> knowledge base articles, FAQs, and more developer focused stuff should be
> done in the Wiki.
>
> Would it make sense to move the main site pages out of confluence and into a
> format that can be stored in SVN? Maybe use a tool like Scalate?
> Cheers,
> Eric J.
>
>
>
--
Principle Technical Writer
Phone (781) 280-4174
Skype finnmccumial
E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
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Re: [Discussion] Web site updating
Posted by James Strachan <ja...@gmail.com>.
On 15 October 2010 11:00, Adrian Trenaman <tr...@progress.com> wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> I'd be very happy to get the stuff out of confluence and into SVN as you
> propose. I saw a post from James on Scalate, and I think that it would be
> great way to leverage Scalate as part of our renovation.
>
> Possibly the most important things for me are:
>
> a) That it becomes part of source-code control. This makes documentation a
> 'first class citizen' in our community, and allows talented writers to
> contribute and become recognized committers. In the past, there has been
> little incentive or recognition for writing documentation, and this will fix
> that.
>
> b) That whatever format we use is easy-peasy to write, and lets us focus on
> content/structure rather than formatting.
>
> On a related note, the documentation problem on the Apache site is, I feel,
> doing the ServiceMix community a disservice - yet, thankfully, its not an
> NP-hard problem to fix! To fix it fast, I'd like to propose a 'docuthon'
> event. If someone can set out the structure of the documentation, and then
> create a load of JIRA's for the individual sections/sub-sections that need
> to be written, we could mobilize the community for a single week to stop
> coding and get writing, for just one week. Then, someone in an 'editor' role
> can pull it all together, clean it up, and enforce coherency.
>
> What do you think?
Sounds like a great idea!
--
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I like the blue theme a lot, but without the mouse and keyboard ...
2010/10/20 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> Hi all,
> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit
> better
> than plain wiki.
>
> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him task:
> update servicemix web page design.
> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>
> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one
> proposal
> - this is only demo.
> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>
> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us
> know,
> we'll implement it.
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
--
Cheers,
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------------------------
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------------------------
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
For the logo I have some ideas...
#1. "Bringing your services together"
Those pictures could symbolize bringing together services or connecting parts to a bigger system.
I think that fits nice to SMX.
Below to sample images I found on net...
1. http://www.123rf.com/photo_6579672_cube-assembling-from-blocks-in-3d-render.html
2. http://www.123rf.com/photo_6831968_abstract-red-and-dark-glass-cubes-on-a-white.html
#2. "The DNA of SOA"
How about a logo like some kind of twisted DNA.
Lars
Am 21.10.2010 um 08:44 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
> Hello,
> I have two updates for you:
>
> Black version
> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
> Blue version
> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: [Discussion] Design update
>
> Hi all,
> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit better
> than plain wiki.
>
> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him task:
> update servicemix web page design.
> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>
> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one proposal
> - this is only demo.
> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>
> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us know,
> we'll implement it.
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
Yay, Lukasz is a rock star!
Cross posting to the camel community, to put some more pressure on you :).
Many thanks,
Hadrian
On Oct 22, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi Hadrian,
> Of course we're ready to help Camel too. Just give us week or two to finish
> current work and we'll start riding the Camel! :)
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hadrian Zbarcea [mailto:hzbarcea@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:37 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>
> +1 for blue too.
>
> Looks very nice. Would there be an interest in helping out with the camel
> site [1] as well?
> Pretty pleeease :)
>
> Hadrian
>
> [1] camel.apache.org
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Johan Edstrom wrote:
>
>> Blue +1
>>
>> I still think it needs some tweaks (not that I am the Photoshop guy)
>> It is getting really shiny looking.
>>
>> /je
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I have two updates for you:
>>>
>>> Black version
>>> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
>>> Blue version
>>> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
>>> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit
> better
>>> than plain wiki.
>>>
>>> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him
> task:
>>> update servicemix web page design.
>>> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>>>
>>> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one
> proposal
>>> - this is only demo.
>>> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>>>
>>> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us
> know,
>>> we'll implement it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Johan Edstrom
>>
>> joed@opennms.org
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
>>
>> Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
Yay, Lukasz is a rock star!
Cross posting to the camel community, to put some more pressure on you :).
Many thanks,
Hadrian
On Oct 22, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi Hadrian,
> Of course we're ready to help Camel too. Just give us week or two to finish
> current work and we'll start riding the Camel! :)
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hadrian Zbarcea [mailto:hzbarcea@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:37 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>
> +1 for blue too.
>
> Looks very nice. Would there be an interest in helping out with the camel
> site [1] as well?
> Pretty pleeease :)
>
> Hadrian
>
> [1] camel.apache.org
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Johan Edstrom wrote:
>
>> Blue +1
>>
>> I still think it needs some tweaks (not that I am the Photoshop guy)
>> It is getting really shiny looking.
>>
>> /je
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I have two updates for you:
>>>
>>> Black version
>>> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
>>> Blue version
>>> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
>>> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit
> better
>>> than plain wiki.
>>>
>>> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him
> task:
>>> update servicemix web page design.
>>> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>>>
>>> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one
> proposal
>>> - this is only demo.
>>> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>>>
>>> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us
> know,
>>> we'll implement it.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Johan Edstrom
>>
>> joed@opennms.org
>>
>> They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
> safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
>>
>> Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi Hadrian,
Of course we're ready to help Camel too. Just give us week or two to finish
current work and we'll start riding the Camel! :)
Regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Hadrian Zbarcea [mailto:hzbarcea@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 5:37 PM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
+1 for blue too.
Looks very nice. Would there be an interest in helping out with the camel
site [1] as well?
Pretty pleeease :)
Hadrian
[1] camel.apache.org
On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Johan Edstrom wrote:
> Blue +1
>
> I still think it needs some tweaks (not that I am the Photoshop guy)
> It is getting really shiny looking.
>
> /je
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I have two updates for you:
>>
>> Black version
>> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
>> Blue version
>> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>> Subject: [Discussion] Design update
>>
>> Hi all,
>> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
>> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit
better
>> than plain wiki.
>>
>> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him
task:
>> update servicemix web page design.
>> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>>
>> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one
proposal
>> - this is only demo.
>> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>>
>> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us
know,
>> we'll implement it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>
> Johan Edstrom
>
> joed@opennms.org
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
>
> Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
+1 for blue too.
Looks very nice. Would there be an interest in helping out with the camel site [1] as well?
Pretty pleeease :)
Hadrian
[1] camel.apache.org
On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Johan Edstrom wrote:
> Blue +1
>
> I still think it needs some tweaks (not that I am the Photoshop guy)
> It is getting really shiny looking.
>
> /je
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I have two updates for you:
>>
>> Black version
>> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
>> Blue version
>> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>> Subject: [Discussion] Design update
>>
>> Hi all,
>> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
>> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit better
>> than plain wiki.
>>
>> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him task:
>> update servicemix web page design.
>> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>>
>> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one proposal
>> - this is only demo.
>> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>>
>> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us know,
>> we'll implement it.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>
> Johan Edstrom
>
> joed@opennms.org
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
>
> Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Johan Edstrom <se...@gmail.com>.
Blue +1
I still think it needs some tweaks (not that I am the Photoshop guy)
It is getting really shiny looking.
/je
On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hello,
> I have two updates for you:
>
> Black version
> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
> Blue version
> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: [Discussion] Design update
>
> Hi all,
> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit better
> than plain wiki.
>
> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him task:
> update servicemix web page design.
> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>
> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one proposal
> - this is only demo.
> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>
> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us know,
> we'll implement it.
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
Johan Edstrom
joed@opennms.org
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
+1 for the Twitter feed
On Thursday, October 21, 2010, Freeman-2 <fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people say
> about "servicemix"
>
> Freeman
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
Guillaume,
thats why I asked him to review Erics work in sandbox/website 2.0
It's not that eyecandy like Lukasz version but both united would be great.
Lars
Am 05.11.2010 um 10:06 schrieb Guillaume Nodet:
> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
> the feather logo somewhere).
> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>
> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi Lukasz,
>>
>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>
>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>> at the top
>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>> way to highlight the current page?
>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>
>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>
>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>
>> Gert Vanthienen
>> ------------------------
>> FuseSource
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>
>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> I created a barebones project at
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/website20
>>>
>>> Right now it is just the sitegen sample from the scalate distro. I plan on
>>> hacking it into something more over the weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Eric Johnson
>>> <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will do.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
>>> not
>>>>> remember it was set up like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
>>>> hack
>>>>> at will there ! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
>>>> he
>>>>>>>>> wants to get started.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
>>>> have
>>>>>>>> them,
>>>>>>>> including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>>>>>>> permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
>>> now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>>>>>> entry:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [/cxf]
>>>>>> @cxf = rw
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [/cxf/sandbox]
>>>>>> @committers = rw
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
>>>> into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>> there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
>>>> I
>>>>>>>> THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
>>>> form,
>>>>>>>> but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
>>>> with
>>>>>>>> svn checkouts,
>>>>>>>> commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
>>>> how
>>>>>>>> "ready"
>>>>>>>> it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
>>>> makes
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
>>>> bound
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> markdown atm,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
>>>> you
>>>>>> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>>>>>> supposedly
>>>>>> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>>>>>>> I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>>>>>>> powerful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Would it make sense to start a github project
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
>>> collaboration
>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> happening
>>>>>>>>>> at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and start hacking together a
>>>>>>>>>>> scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
>>>> ideas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>>>>>> team
>>>>>>>>>>> is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>>>>>> static
>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> export
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> plug-in.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
>>>> and
>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>>>>>>>>>> template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>> is (like is a JVM allowed).
>>>>>>>>>> All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
>>>> way
>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> web gui thing, it supports stagin--
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>>
>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>
>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Hi Lukasz,
It looks very nice for me.
+1 for this design.
Regards
JB
On 11/08/2010 10:47 AM, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi,
> Here is updated version with Feather:
> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
>
> The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>
> Hi Eric,
> In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>
> I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
> sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
> the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
>
> I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
>
> I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
> like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
> navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
> attempts have looked pretty poor.
>
>
>
> 2010/11/5 Eric Johnson<em...@fusesource.com>
>>
>> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>>
>> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>>
>> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
>>> line yesterday or so ...
>>>
>>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Guillaume,
>>>>
>>>> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>>>> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>>>> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>>>> awesome for us as well.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>>>>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>>>>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>>>>> the feather logo somewhere).
>>>>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>>>>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>>>>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>>>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>>>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>>>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>>>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>>>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>>>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>>>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>>>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>>>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>>>>> at the top
>>>>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>>>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>>>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>>>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>>>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>>>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>>>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>>>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>>>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>>>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Principle Technical Writer
>>
>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>> Skype finnmccumial
>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Charles Moulliard <cm...@gmail.com>.
Excellent --> +1
On 23/11/10 16:01, Łukasz Dywicki wrote:
> Hi few updates:
>
> http://img89.imageshack.us/f/servicemix46.jpg/
>
> Don't care about banner - it might be changed In any time, without bigger problems.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:40 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>
> Hi Eric,
> New design updates will come in next week. We had few commercial projects to finish/start in mid time.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:10 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>
> Łukasz,
> Any updates on the site design and getting it merged into the sandbox project?
> Cheers,
> Eric
>
> 2010/11/8 Eric Johnson<em...@fusesource.com>:
>> I think it looks good overall. The colors and graphics make it pop.
>>
>> I think the gigantic earth with text at the top is a bit much and it
>> leaves a little too much white space right under the banner. Maybe a
>> good architecture diagram would be better there?
>>
>> I also think that in general a bigger News section would be better
>> than a list of recent JIRA tickets that were changed. How many users
>> want to see a list of JIRAs that have been modified when they visit
>> the home page? It would make sense to put that on the support page
>> maybe? I liked the idea from the Apache home page of a ticker that
>> collected tweets, JIRA changes, etc into one feed for the home page.
>>
>> Is the swish on the right hand side intended to be carried over as a
>> page design element across the whole site or just the front page? If
>> the whole site, does it constrict text placement to the right 2/3s of
>> the page? Any basic text placed over the swish will be hard to read.
>> Would leaving that much space open for the swish look OK?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Claus Ibsen<cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2010/11/8 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Here is updated version with Feather:
>>>> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
>>>>
>>>> The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
>>>>
>>> Looks great.
>>>
>>> And like the new website layout.
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>>> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>>>>
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>> In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>>>
>>>> I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
>>>> sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
>>>> the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
>>>>
>>>> I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
>>>>
>>>> I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
>>>> like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
>>>> navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
>>>> attempts have looked pretty poor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/11/5 Eric Johnson<em...@fusesource.com>
>>>>> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
>>>>>> line yesterday or so ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>> Guillaume,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>>>>>>> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>>>>>>> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>>>>>>> awesome for us as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet<gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>>>>>>>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>>>>>>>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>>>>>>>> the feather logo somewhere).
>>>>>>>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>>>>>>>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>>>>>>>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen<ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>>>>>>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>>>>>>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>>>>>>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>>>>>>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>>>>>>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>>>>>>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>>>>>>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>>>>>>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>>>>>>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>>>>>>>> at the top
>>>>>>>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>>>>>>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>>>>>>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>>>>>>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>>>>>>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>>>>>>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>>>>>>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>>>>>>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>> FuseSource
>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>>>>>>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>>>>>>>>> better.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Claus Ibsen
>>> -----------------
>>> FuseSource
>>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Principle Technical Writer
>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>> Skype finnmccumial
>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>
>
>
RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi few updates:
http://img89.imageshack.us/f/servicemix46.jpg/
Don't care about banner - it might be changed In any time, without bigger problems.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:40 PM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
Hi Eric,
New design updates will come in next week. We had few commercial projects to finish/start in mid time.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:10 PM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
Łukasz,
Any updates on the site design and getting it merged into the sandbox project?
Cheers,
Eric
2010/11/8 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>:
> I think it looks good overall. The colors and graphics make it pop.
>
> I think the gigantic earth with text at the top is a bit much and it
> leaves a little too much white space right under the banner. Maybe a
> good architecture diagram would be better there?
>
> I also think that in general a bigger News section would be better
> than a list of recent JIRA tickets that were changed. How many users
> want to see a list of JIRAs that have been modified when they visit
> the home page? It would make sense to put that on the support page
> maybe? I liked the idea from the Apache home page of a ticker that
> collected tweets, JIRA changes, etc into one feed for the home page.
>
> Is the swish on the right hand side intended to be carried over as a
> page design element across the whole site or just the front page? If
> the whole site, does it constrict text placement to the right 2/3s of
> the page? Any basic text placed over the swish will be hard to read.
> Would leaving that much space open for the swish look OK?
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2010/11/8 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> Hi,
>>> Here is updated version with Feather:
>>> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
>>>
>>> The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
>>>
>>
>> Looks great.
>>
>> And like the new website layout.
>> +1
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
>>> sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
>>> the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
>>>
>>> I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
>>>
>>> I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
>>> like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
>>> navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
>>> attempts have looked pretty poor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>>>>
>>>> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
>>>> > line yesterday or so ...
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >> Guillaume,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>>>> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>>>> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>>>> >> awesome for us as well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> >> ------------------------
>>>> >> FuseSource
>>>> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>>>> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>>>> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>>>> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
>>>> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>>>> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>>>> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>>> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>>> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>>> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>>> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>>> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>>> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>>> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>>> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>>> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>>> >>>> at the top
>>>> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>>> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>>> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>>> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>>> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>>> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>>> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>>> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> >>>> ------------------------
>>>> >>>> FuseSource
>>>> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> >>>>> Hi all,
>>>> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>>> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>>> >>>>> better.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>> Lukasz
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>>> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Guillaume Nodet
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Open Source SOA
>>>> > http://fusesource.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> -----------------
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>> Web: http://fusesource.com
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>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>
>
>
>
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RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi Eric,
New design updates will come in next week. We had few commercial projects to finish/start in mid time.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 5:10 PM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
Łukasz,
Any updates on the site design and getting it merged into the sandbox project?
Cheers,
Eric
2010/11/8 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>:
> I think it looks good overall. The colors and graphics make it pop.
>
> I think the gigantic earth with text at the top is a bit much and it
> leaves a little too much white space right under the banner. Maybe a
> good architecture diagram would be better there?
>
> I also think that in general a bigger News section would be better
> than a list of recent JIRA tickets that were changed. How many users
> want to see a list of JIRAs that have been modified when they visit
> the home page? It would make sense to put that on the support page
> maybe? I liked the idea from the Apache home page of a ticker that
> collected tweets, JIRA changes, etc into one feed for the home page.
>
> Is the swish on the right hand side intended to be carried over as a
> page design element across the whole site or just the front page? If
> the whole site, does it constrict text placement to the right 2/3s of
> the page? Any basic text placed over the swish will be hard to read.
> Would leaving that much space open for the swish look OK?
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2010/11/8 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> Hi,
>>> Here is updated version with Feather:
>>> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
>>>
>>> The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
>>>
>>
>> Looks great.
>>
>> And like the new website layout.
>> +1
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
>>> sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
>>> the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
>>>
>>> I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
>>>
>>> I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
>>> like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
>>> navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
>>> attempts have looked pretty poor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>>>>
>>>> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
>>>> > line yesterday or so ...
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >> Guillaume,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>>>> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>>>> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>>>> >> awesome for us as well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> >> ------------------------
>>>> >> FuseSource
>>>> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>>>> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>>>> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>>>> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
>>>> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>>>> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>>>> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>>> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>>> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>>> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>>> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>>> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>>> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>>> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>>> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>>> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>>> >>>> at the top
>>>> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>>> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>>> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>>> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>>> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>>> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>>> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>>> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> >>>> ------------------------
>>>> >>>> FuseSource
>>>> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> >>>>> Hi all,
>>>> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>>> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>>> >>>>> better.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>> Lukasz
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>>> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Guillaume Nodet
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Open Source SOA
>>>> > http://fusesource.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>>
>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Claus Ibsen
>> -----------------
>> FuseSource
>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: davsclaus
>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
Łukasz,
Any updates on the site design and getting it merged into the sandbox project?
Cheers,
Eric
2010/11/8 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>:
> I think it looks good overall. The colors and graphics make it pop.
>
> I think the gigantic earth with text at the top is a bit much and it
> leaves a little too much white space right under the banner. Maybe a
> good architecture diagram would be better there?
>
> I also think that in general a bigger News section would be better
> than a list of recent JIRA tickets that were changed. How many users
> want to see a list of JIRAs that have been modified when they visit
> the home page? It would make sense to put that on the support page
> maybe? I liked the idea from the Apache home page of a ticker that
> collected tweets, JIRA changes, etc into one feed for the home page.
>
> Is the swish on the right hand side intended to be carried over as a
> page design element across the whole site or just the front page? If
> the whole site, does it constrict text placement to the right 2/3s of
> the page? Any basic text placed over the swish will be hard to read.
> Would leaving that much space open for the swish look OK?
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2010/11/8 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> Hi,
>>> Here is updated version with Feather:
>>> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
>>>
>>> The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
>>>
>>
>> Looks great.
>>
>> And like the new website layout.
>> +1
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
>>> sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
>>> the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
>>>
>>> I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
>>>
>>> I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
>>> like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
>>> navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
>>> attempts have looked pretty poor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>>>>
>>>> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
>>>> > line yesterday or so ...
>>>> >
>>>> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >> Guillaume,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>>>> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>>>> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>>>> >> awesome for us as well.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> >> ------------------------
>>>> >> FuseSource
>>>> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>>>> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>>>> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>>>> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
>>>> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>>>> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>>>> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>>> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>>> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>>> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>>> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>>> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>>> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>>> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>>> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>>> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>>> >>>> at the top
>>>> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>>> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>>> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>>> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>>> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>>> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>>> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>>> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> >>>> ------------------------
>>>> >>>> FuseSource
>>>> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> >>>>> Hi all,
>>>> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>>> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>>> >>>>> better.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>>> >>>>> Lukasz
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>>> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Guillaume Nodet
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Open Source SOA
>>>> > http://fusesource.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>>
>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Claus Ibsen
>> -----------------
>> FuseSource
>> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Twitter: davsclaus
>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
I think it looks good overall. The colors and graphics make it pop.
I think the gigantic earth with text at the top is a bit much and it
leaves a little too much white space right under the banner. Maybe a
good architecture diagram would be better there?
I also think that in general a bigger News section would be better
than a list of recent JIRA tickets that were changed. How many users
want to see a list of JIRAs that have been modified when they visit
the home page? It would make sense to put that on the support page
maybe? I liked the idea from the Apache home page of a ticker that
collected tweets, JIRA changes, etc into one feed for the home page.
Is the swish on the right hand side intended to be carried over as a
page design element across the whole site or just the front page? If
the whole site, does it constrict text placement to the right 2/3s of
the page? Any basic text placed over the swish will be hard to read.
Would leaving that much space open for the swish look OK?
On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2010/11/8 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> Hi,
>> Here is updated version with Feather:
>> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
>>
>> The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
>>
>
> Looks great.
>
> And like the new website layout.
> +1
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>>
>> Hi Eric,
>> In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>
>> I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
>> sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
>> the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
>>
>> I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
>>
>> I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
>> like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
>> navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
>> attempts have looked pretty poor.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>>>
>>> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>>>
>>> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
>>> > line yesterday or so ...
>>> >
>>> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> >> Guillaume,
>>> >>
>>> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>>> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>>> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>>> >> awesome for us as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Gert Vanthienen
>>> >> ------------------------
>>> >> FuseSource
>>> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>>> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>>> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>>> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
>>> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>>> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>>> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>> >>>> at the top
>>> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>> >>>> ------------------------
>>> >>>> FuseSource
>>> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> >>>>> Hi all,
>>> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>> >>>>> better.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>> Lukasz
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Guillaume Nodet
>>> > ------------------------
>>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> > ------------------------
>>> > Open Source SOA
>>> > http://fusesource.com
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>
>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Principle Technical Writer
>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>> Skype finnmccumial
>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Claus Ibsen
> -----------------
> FuseSource
> Email: cibsen@fusesource.com
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Twitter: davsclaus
> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Claus Ibsen <cl...@gmail.com>.
2010/11/8 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Hi,
> Here is updated version with Feather:
> http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
>
> The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
>
Looks great.
And like the new website layout.
+1
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
>
> Hi Eric,
> In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>
> I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
> sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
> the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
>
> I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
>
> I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
> like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
> navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
> attempts have looked pretty poor.
>
>
>
> 2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>>
>> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>>
>> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>>
>> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
>> > line yesterday or so ...
>> >
>> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >> Guillaume,
>> >>
>> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>> >> awesome for us as well.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Gert Vanthienen
>> >> ------------------------
>> >> FuseSource
>> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
>> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>> >>>
>> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>> >>>> at the top
>> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
>> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
>> >>>> ------------------------
>> >>>> FuseSource
>> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> >>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>> >>>>> better.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Best regards,
>> >>>>> Lukasz
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
>> > Cheers,
>> > Guillaume Nodet
>> > ------------------------
>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> > ------------------------
>> > Open Source SOA
>> > http://fusesource.com
>> >
>>
>> --
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>>
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>> Skype finnmccumial
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>
>
>
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RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi,
Here is updated version with Feather:
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1676/servicemix47.jpg
The feather is close to logo. What do you think? It is ok?
Regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 11:25 AM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: RE: [Discussion] Design update
Hi Eric,
In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
attempts have looked pretty poor.
2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>
> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>
> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>
> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
> > line yesterday or so ...
> >
> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >> Guillaume,
> >>
> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
> >> awesome for us as well.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Gert Vanthienen
> >> ------------------------
> >> FuseSource
> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
> >>>> at the top
> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
> >>>>
> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> FuseSource
> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
> >>>>> better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Lukasz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
>
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
--
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RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi Eric,
In next week we going to complete design with suggestions from Gert and Guillaume. After these changes I'll help you to include this in scalate. I assume that we will not have changes in proportions and element positions, so layout will stay same as now.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 11:15 PM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
attempts have looked pretty poor.
2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>
> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>
> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>
> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
> > line yesterday or so ...
> >
> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >> Guillaume,
> >>
> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
> >> awesome for us as well.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Gert Vanthienen
> >> ------------------------
> >> FuseSource
> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
> >>>> at the top
> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
> >>>>
> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> FuseSource
> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
> >>>>> better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Lukasz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
>
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
--
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
I updated the Scalate site to look a little more like the image Lukasz
sent around. I'd need to get the logo image and the icons he used in
the boxes to get closer. And the color codes for the boxes.
I added a search box, code highlighting, and some more font styling as well.
I could use some ideas on how to pretty up the search box to look more
like the one in the proposal. Also I wanted to get the items on the
navigation menu to darken when they are hovered over, but so far my
attempts have looked pretty poor.
2010/11/5 Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>
>
> I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
>
> Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
>
> On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
> > line yesterday or so ...
> >
> > 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >> Guillaume,
> >>
> >> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
> >> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
> >> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
> >> awesome for us as well.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Gert Vanthienen
> >> ------------------------
> >> FuseSource
> >> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
> >>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
> >>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
> >>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
> >>> the feather logo somewhere).
> >>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
> >>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
> >>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
> >>>
> >>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>> Hi Lukasz,
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
> >>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
> >>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
> >>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
> >>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
> >>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
> >>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
> >>>>
> >>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
> >>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
> >>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
> >>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
> >>>> at the top
> >>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
> >>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
> >>>> way to highlight the current page?
> >>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
> >>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
> >>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
> >>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
> >>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
> >>>>
> >>>> Gert Vanthienen
> >>>> ------------------------
> >>>> FuseSource
> >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
> >>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
> >>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
> >>>>> better.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best regards,
> >>>>> Lukasz
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
> >>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
>
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
I'll take a look at adding the aggregated feed from apache.org.
Getting the design elements into the sandbox project should be fairly smooth.
On Friday, November 5, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
> line yesterday or so ...
>
> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> Guillaume,
>>
>> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
>> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
>> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
>> awesome for us as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gert Vanthienen
>> ------------------------
>> FuseSource
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>>> the feather logo somewhere).
>>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>>
>>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>>>
>>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>>> at the top
>>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>>>
>>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>>> ------------------------
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>>>> better.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Lukasz
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.or--
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
FWIW, the new website is backed by the new CMS from infra and has gone
line yesterday or so ...
2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> Guillaume,
>
> Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
> that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
> Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
> awesome for us as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gert Vanthienen
> ------------------------
> FuseSource
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> 2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
>> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
>> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
>> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
>> the feather logo somewhere).
>> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
>> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
>> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>>
>> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>>> Hi Lukasz,
>>>
>>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>>
>>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>>> at the top
>>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>>> way to highlight the current page?
>>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>>
>>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>>
>>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>>
>>> Gert Vanthienen
>>> ------------------------
>>> FuseSource
>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Lukasz
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>>>
>>>> I created a barebones project at
>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/website20
>>>>
>>>> Right now it is just the sitegen sample from the scalate distro. I plan on
>>>> hacking it into something more over the weekend.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Eric Johnson
>>>> <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will do.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
>>>> not
>>>>> > remember it was set up like that.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
>>>>> hack
>>>>> > at will there ! :-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
>>>>> he
>>>>> >> > > > wants to get started.
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
>>>>> have
>>>>> >> > > them,
>>>>> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>>>>> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
>>>> now.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>>>>> >> entry:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [/cxf]
>>>>> >> @cxf = rw
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
>>>>> >> @committers = rw
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
>>>>> into
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> > > CMS
>>>>> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
>>>>> I
>>>>> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
>>>>> form,
>>>>> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
>>>>> with
>>>>> >> > > svn checkouts,
>>>>> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
>>>>> how
>>>>> >> > > "ready"
>>>>> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
>>>>> makes
>>>>> >> it
>>>>> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
>>>>> bound
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> > markdown atm,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
>>>>> you
>>>>> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>>>>> >> supposedly
>>>>> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Dan
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>>>>> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>>>>> >> > powerful.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > > Dan
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>>>>> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
>>>> collaboration
>>>>> is
>>>>> >> > > > > happening
>>>>> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
>>>>> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
>>>>> ideas
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > being
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>>>>> >> team
>>>>> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>>>>> >> static
>>>>> >> > > > > > site
>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>> >> > > > > export
>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
>>>>> >> > > > >
>>>>> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> ask
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > for
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > > > some
>>>>> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>>>>> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
>>>>> really
>>>>> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
>>>>> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
>>>>> way
>>>>> >> or
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > use
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > > > the
>>>>> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
>>>>> > Cheers,
>>>>> > Guillaume Nodet
>>>>> > ------------------------
>>>>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>> > ------------------------
>>>>> > Open Source SOA
>>>>> > http://fusesource.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>>
>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>.
Guillaume,
Good point about the Apache feather and link -- we really want to keep
that around. And I also hadn't noticed the new aggregated feed on the
Apache main website yet, but it looks like something that would be
awesome for us as well.
Regards,
Gert Vanthienen
------------------------
FuseSource
Web: http://fusesource.com
Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
2010/11/5 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>:
> Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
> a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
> (even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
> the feather logo somewhere).
> Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
> activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
> that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
>
> 2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
>> Hi Lukasz,
>>
>> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
>> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
>> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
>> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
>> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
>> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
>> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>>
>> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
>> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
>> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
>> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
>> at the top
>> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
>> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
>> way to highlight the current page?
>> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
>> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
>> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>>
>> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
>> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
>> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>>
>> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>>
>> Gert Vanthienen
>> ------------------------
>> FuseSource
>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>>
>>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>>> better.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Lukasz
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>>
>>> I created a barebones project at
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/website20
>>>
>>> Right now it is just the sitegen sample from the scalate distro. I plan on
>>> hacking it into something more over the weekend.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Eric Johnson
>>> <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will do.
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
>>> not
>>>> > remember it was set up like that.
>>>> >
>>>> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
>>>> hack
>>>> > at will there ! :-)
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
>>>> he
>>>> >> > > > wants to get started.
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
>>>> have
>>>> >> > > them,
>>>> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>>>> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
>>> now.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>>>> >> entry:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [/cxf]
>>>> >> @cxf = rw
>>>> >>
>>>> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
>>>> >> @committers = rw
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
>>>> into
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > > CMS
>>>> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
>>>> I
>>>> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
>>>> form,
>>>> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
>>>> with
>>>> >> > > svn checkouts,
>>>> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
>>>> how
>>>> >> > > "ready"
>>>> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
>>>> makes
>>>> >> it
>>>> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
>>>> bound
>>>> >> to
>>>> >> > markdown atm,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
>>>> you
>>>> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>>>> >> supposedly
>>>> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dan
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>>>> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>>>> >> > powerful.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > > Dan
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>>>> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
>>>> >> > > > >
>>>> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
>>> collaboration
>>>> is
>>>> >> > > > > happening
>>>> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>>>> >> > > > >
>>>> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
>>>> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
>>>> ideas
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > being
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>>>> >> team
>>>> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>>>> >> static
>>>> >> > > > > > site
>>>> >> > > > >
>>>> >> > > > > export
>>>> >> > > > >
>>>> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
>>>> >> > > > >
>>>> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
>>>> and
>>>> >> ask
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > for
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > > > some
>>>> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>>>> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
>>>> really
>>>> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
>>>> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
>>>> way
>>>> >> or
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > use
>>>> >> > >
>>>> >> > > > > the
>>>> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
>>>> > Cheers,
>>>> > Guillaume Nodet
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>> > ------------------------
>>>> > Open Source SOA
>>>> > http://fusesource.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>>
>>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Principle Technical Writer
>>>
>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>>> Skype finnmccumial
>>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Though I like the visual effect of the proposal a lot, I wonder about
a missing news section and a missing link + logo to the ASF web site
(even though it's not a requirement, I think it's a good thing to add
the feather logo somewhere).
Also note that the ASF web site (http://apache.org/) now has an
activity widget which merges twitter, jira and svn commits. Maybe
that's something we'd want to use instead of separate sections?
2010/11/5 Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>:
> Hi Lukasz,
>
> Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
> better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
> to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
> website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
> images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
> downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
> also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
>
> Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
> - I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
> the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
> - I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
> at the top
> - The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
> compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
> way to highlight the current page?
> - We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
> bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
> with a little RSS javascript thingy though
>
> Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
> it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
> achievement for the ServiceMix community.
>
> Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
>
> Gert Vanthienen
> ------------------------
> FuseSource
> Web: http://fusesource.com
> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> 2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
>> Hi all,
>> I have all ideas connected into one page:
>> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>>
>> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
>> better.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>
>> I created a barebones project at
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/website20
>>
>> Right now it is just the sitegen sample from the scalate distro. I plan on
>> hacking it into something more over the weekend.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Eric Johnson
>> <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Will do.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
>> not
>>> > remember it was set up like that.
>>> >
>>> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
>>> hack
>>> > at will there ! :-)
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
>>> he
>>> >> > > > wants to get started.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
>>> have
>>> >> > > them,
>>> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>>> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
>> now.
>>> >>
>>> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>>> >> entry:
>>> >>
>>> >> [/cxf]
>>> >> @cxf = rw
>>> >>
>>> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
>>> >> @committers = rw
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
>>> into
>>> >> the
>>> >> > > CMS
>>> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
>>> I
>>> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
>>> form,
>>> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
>>> with
>>> >> > > svn checkouts,
>>> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
>>> how
>>> >> > > "ready"
>>> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
>>> makes
>>> >> it
>>> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
>>> bound
>>> >> to
>>> >> > markdown atm,
>>> >>
>>> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
>>> you
>>> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>>> >> supposedly
>>> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>>> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>>> >> > powerful.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > Dan
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>>> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
>> collaboration
>>> is
>>> >> > > > > happening
>>> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
>>> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
>>> ideas
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > being
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>>> >> team
>>> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>>> >> static
>>> >> > > > > > site
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > export
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
>>> >> > > > >
>>> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
>>> and
>>> >> ask
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > for
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > > some
>>> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>>> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
>>> really
>>> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
>>> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
>>> way
>>> >> or
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > use
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > > > the
>>> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Guillaume Nodet
>>> > ------------------------
>>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> > ------------------------
>>> > Open Source SOA
>>> > http://fusesource.com
>>> >
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>> Phone (781) 280-4174
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>> Skype finnmccumial
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Cheers,
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------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>.
Hi Lukasz,
Sorry for the late reply -- these images are really starting to look
better every time! I really think this design is getting very close
to the end result and we should start to integrate things into the
website20 sandbox project. I love the general look and feel, the
images and icons in the boxes, the way a new user is guided to the
downloads/docs/community from his/her first visit, the fact that we
also have a window on what's happening in twitter/blogosphere/jira/...
Just a few minor things about this last proposal:
- I'd make the blue bar on the top slightly lower, there's no need for
the search box to be 3 x the height of the letters
- I'm not sure about the big 'Leading enterprise service bus...' image
at the top
- The blue box around the home navigation item looks a bit big
compared to everything else in the header, perhaps we can find another
way to highlight the current page?
- We'd have to find a way to make the three boxes at the bottom look a
bit more similar, but we can probably do that by replacing the widgets
with a little RSS javascript thingy though
Anyway, if we can get this thing worked out over the next few weeks so
it can go live together with the new release, that will be an awesome
achievement for the ServiceMix community.
Thanks for all the hard work you're putting into these proposals!
Gert Vanthienen
------------------------
FuseSource
Web: http://fusesource.com
Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
2010/11/3 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>:
> Hi all,
> I have all ideas connected into one page:
> http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
>
> Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
> better.
>
> Best regards,
> Lukasz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>
> I created a barebones project at
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/website20
>
> Right now it is just the sitegen sample from the scalate distro. I plan on
> hacking it into something more over the weekend.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Eric Johnson
> <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
>
>> Will do.
>>
>> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
> not
>> > remember it was set up like that.
>> >
>> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
>> hack
>> > at will there ! :-)
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
>> he
>> >> > > > wants to get started.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
>> have
>> >> > > them,
>> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
> now.
>> >>
>> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>> >> entry:
>> >>
>> >> [/cxf]
>> >> @cxf = rw
>> >>
>> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
>> >> @committers = rw
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
>> into
>> >> the
>> >> > > CMS
>> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
>> I
>> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
>> form,
>> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
>> with
>> >> > > svn checkouts,
>> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
>> how
>> >> > > "ready"
>> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
>> makes
>> >> it
>> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
>> bound
>> >> to
>> >> > markdown atm,
>> >>
>> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
>> you
>> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>> >> supposedly
>> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>> >> > powerful.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Dan
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
> collaboration
>> is
>> >> > > > > happening
>> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
>> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
>> ideas
>> >> > >
>> >> > > being
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>> >> team
>> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>> >> static
>> >> > > > > > site
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > export
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
>> and
>> >> ask
>> >> > >
>> >> > > for
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > some
>> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
>> really
>> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
>> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
>> way
>> >> or
>> >> > >
>> >> > > use
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > the
>> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
>> > Cheers,
>> > Guillaume Nodet
>> > ------------------------
>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> > ------------------------
>> > Open Source SOA
>> > http://fusesource.com
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Principle Technical Writer
>>
>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>> Skype finnmccumial
>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
>
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
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>
>
RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi all,
I have all ideas connected into one page:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1718/servicemix46.jpg
Please take a look and let us know - is it nice and what could be done
better.
Best regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Johnson [mailto:emjohnson@fusesource.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48 AM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
I created a barebones project at
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/website20
Right now it is just the sitegen sample from the scalate distro. I plan on
hacking it into something more over the weekend.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Eric Johnson
<em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
> Will do.
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
not
> > remember it was set up like that.
> >
> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
> hack
> > at will there ! :-)
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
> he
> >> > > > wants to get started.
> >> > >
> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
> have
> >> > > them,
> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
> >> >
> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
now.
> >>
> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
> >> entry:
> >>
> >> [/cxf]
> >> @cxf = rw
> >>
> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
> >> @committers = rw
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
> into
> >> the
> >> > > CMS
> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
> I
> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
> form,
> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
> with
> >> > > svn checkouts,
> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
> how
> >> > > "ready"
> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
> makes
> >> it
> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
> bound
> >> to
> >> > markdown atm,
> >>
> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
> you
> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
> >> supposedly
> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
> >>
> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
> >> > powerful.
> >> >
> >> > > Dan
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
collaboration
> is
> >> > > > > happening
> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
> ideas
> >> > >
> >> > > being
> >> > >
> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
> >> team
> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
> >> static
> >> > > > > > site
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > export
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
> and
> >> ask
> >> > >
> >> > > for
> >> > >
> >> > > > > some
> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
> really
> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
> way
> >> or
> >> > >
> >> > > use
> >> > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
>
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>
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Skype finnmccumial
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
I created a barebones project at
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/sandbox/website20
Right now it is just the sitegen sample from the scalate distro. I plan on
hacking it into something more over the weekend.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
> Will do.
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did not
> > remember it was set up like that.
> >
> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
> hack
> > at will there ! :-)
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
> he
> >> > > > wants to get started.
> >> > >
> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
> have
> >> > > them,
> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
> >> >
> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
> >>
> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
> >> entry:
> >>
> >> [/cxf]
> >> @cxf = rw
> >>
> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
> >> @committers = rw
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
> into
> >> the
> >> > > CMS
> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
> I
> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
> form,
> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
> with
> >> > > svn checkouts,
> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
> how
> >> > > "ready"
> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
> makes
> >> it
> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
> bound
> >> to
> >> > markdown atm,
> >>
> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
> you
> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
> >> supposedly
> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
> >>
> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
> >> > powerful.
> >> >
> >> > > Dan
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration
> is
> >> > > > > happening
> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
> ideas
> >> > >
> >> > > being
> >> > >
> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
> >> team
> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
> >> static
> >> > > > > > site
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > export
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
> and
> >> ask
> >> > >
> >> > > for
> >> > >
> >> > > > > some
> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
> really
> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
> way
> >> or
> >> > >
> >> > > use
> >> > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
>
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
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>
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>.
Eric,
FWIW, I just fixed up the documentation project to allow easier
previewing of the website (i.e. no more difference between mvn
jetty:run and mvn jetty:run -Plive), so you might want to pick those
changes up for you setup as well.
Regards,
Gert Vanthienen
------------------------
Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com> wrote:
> Will do.
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did not
>> remember it was set up like that.
>>
>> Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and hack
>> at will there ! :-)
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if he
>>> > > > wants to get started.
>>> > >
>>> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects have
>>> > > them,
>>> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>>> >
>>> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>>> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
>>>
>>> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>>> entry:
>>>
>>> [/cxf]
>>> @cxf = rw
>>>
>>> [/cxf/sandbox]
>>> @committers = rw
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck into
>>> the
>>> > > CMS
>>> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now. I
>>> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type form,
>>> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother with
>>> > > svn checkouts,
>>> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know how
>>> > > "ready"
>>> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>>> >
>>> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It makes
>>> it
>>> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is bound
>>> to
>>> > markdown atm,
>>>
>>> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If you
>>> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>>> supposedly
>>> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>>>
>>> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>>>
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>>> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>>> > powerful.
>>> >
>>> > > Dan
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>>> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is
>>> > > > > happening
>>> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > and start hacking together a
>>> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas
>>> > >
>>> > > being
>>> > >
>>> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>>> team
>>> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>>> static
>>> > > > > > site
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > export
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > plug-in.)
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and
>>> ask
>>> > >
>>> > > for
>>> > >
>>> > > > > some
>>> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>>> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really
>>> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
>>> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way
>>> or
>>> > >
>>> > > use
>>> > >
>>> > > > > the
>>> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
> --
> Principle Technical Writer
>
> Phone (781) 280-4174
> Skype finnmccumial
> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
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>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
I guess the fact the the checkbox is checked is just a way of granting the
ip.
I think saying that the commit is to be given to the ASF will works the
same.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 16:47, Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>wrote:
> L.S.,
>
> For the main website, I would set that up as a separate project in the
> sandbox for now so Eric and Lukasz can start working things out there.
> The big difference with the documentation is that there's probably no
> need to ever cut a release for that project, rather just update the
> pages and publish the new site contents, so I guess it will end up
> being a separate project when we move it out of the sandbox anyway.
>
> For the documentation project, I do agree that commits in github forks
> would be a good way to propose patches. Especially when adding new
> files or images or moving things around a lot, those commits are
> usually a lot easier to pick up and apply. As long as there are JIRAs
> to back those changes, the real communication is still passing by the
> developer list where everyone can follow along.
>
> There's one other difference though - when people attach a patch to a
> JIRA issue, they have to select a radio button that says:
> "Grant license to ASF for inclusion in ASF works (as per the Apache License
> §5)
> Contributions intended for inclusion in ASF products (eg. patches,
> code) must be licensed to ASF under the terms of the Apache License.
> Other attachments (eg. log dumps, test cases) need not be."
>
> If they just point us at a github fork commit, there's no way for them
> to select that button. Would we have to ask them to attach the patch
> anyway so they can explicitly grant the license to ASF to include the
> code or how should we be handling this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gert Vanthienen
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Actually, if you plan to propose patches on the existing
> > servicemix-documentation project (and not start a new project), you can
> use
> > github commits (from your own fork of servicemix-documentation) as
> patches
> > referred to by JIRA issue (instead of attaching the diff file to JIRA).
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:58, Eric Johnson <emjohnson@fusesource.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Will do.
> >>
> >> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
> not
> >> > remember it was set up like that.
> >> >
> >> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
> >> hack
> >> > at will there ! :-)
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way
> if
> >> he
> >> >> > > > wants to get started.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
> >> have
> >> >> > > them,
> >> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new
> ldap
> >> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
> now.
> >> >>
> >> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The
> CXF
> >> >> entry:
> >> >>
> >> >> [/cxf]
> >> >> @cxf = rw
> >> >>
> >> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
> >> >> @committers = rw
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
> >> into
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > CMS
> >> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
> >> I
> >> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
> >> form,
> >> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not
> bother
> >> with
> >> >> > > svn checkouts,
> >> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
> >> how
> >> >> > > "ready"
> >> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
> >> makes
> >> >> it
> >> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
> >> bound
> >> >> to
> >> >> > markdown atm,
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow.
> If
> >> you
> >> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
> >> >> supposedly
> >> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
> >> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way
> more
> >> >> > powerful.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Dan
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
> collaboration
> >> is
> >> >> > > > > happening
> >> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
> >> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
> >> ideas
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > being
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache
> infrastructure
> >> >> team
> >> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
> >> >> static
> >> >> > > > > > site
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > export
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
> >> and
> >> >> ask
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > > some
> >> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
> >> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
> >> really
> >> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
> >> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute
> that
> >> way
> >> >> or
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > use
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > > the
> >> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Guillaume Nodet
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Open Source SOA
> >> > http://fusesource.com
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Principle Technical Writer
> >>
> >> Phone (781) 280-4174
> >> Skype finnmccumial
> >> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
> >> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
Silly git newb questions:
1) do I simply make a clone of the github repo?
2) should I make a separate branch in my fork for making changes?
3) to push the changes back I just do a git push to the origin?
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Gert Vanthienen <gert.vanthienen@gmail.com
> wrote:
> L.S.,
>
> For the main website, I would set that up as a separate project in the
> sandbox for now so Eric and Lukasz can start working things out there.
> The big difference with the documentation is that there's probably no
> need to ever cut a release for that project, rather just update the
> pages and publish the new site contents, so I guess it will end up
> being a separate project when we move it out of the sandbox anyway.
>
> For the documentation project, I do agree that commits in github forks
> would be a good way to propose patches. Especially when adding new
> files or images or moving things around a lot, those commits are
> usually a lot easier to pick up and apply. As long as there are JIRAs
> to back those changes, the real communication is still passing by the
> developer list where everyone can follow along.
>
> There's one other difference though - when people attach a patch to a
> JIRA issue, they have to select a radio button that says:
> "Grant license to ASF for inclusion in ASF works (as per the Apache License
> §5)
> Contributions intended for inclusion in ASF products (eg. patches,
> code) must be licensed to ASF under the terms of the Apache License.
> Other attachments (eg. log dumps, test cases) need not be."
>
> If they just point us at a github fork commit, there's no way for them
> to select that button. Would we have to ask them to attach the patch
> anyway so they can explicitly grant the license to ASF to include the
> code or how should we be handling this?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gert Vanthienen
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
> Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Actually, if you plan to propose patches on the existing
> > servicemix-documentation project (and not start a new project), you can
> use
> > github commits (from your own fork of servicemix-documentation) as
> patches
> > referred to by JIRA issue (instead of attaching the diff file to JIRA).
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:58, Eric Johnson <emjohnson@fusesource.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Will do.
> >>
> >> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did
> not
> >> > remember it was set up like that.
> >> >
> >> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
> >> hack
> >> > at will there ! :-)
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way
> if
> >> he
> >> >> > > > wants to get started.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
> >> have
> >> >> > > them,
> >> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new
> ldap
> >> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up
> now.
> >> >>
> >> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The
> CXF
> >> >> entry:
> >> >>
> >> >> [/cxf]
> >> >> @cxf = rw
> >> >>
> >> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
> >> >> @committers = rw
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
> >> into
> >> >> the
> >> >> > > CMS
> >> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
> >> I
> >> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
> >> form,
> >> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not
> bother
> >> with
> >> >> > > svn checkouts,
> >> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
> >> how
> >> >> > > "ready"
> >> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
> >> makes
> >> >> it
> >> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
> >> bound
> >> >> to
> >> >> > markdown atm,
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow.
> If
> >> you
> >> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
> >> >> supposedly
> >> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
> >> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way
> more
> >> >> > powerful.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > Dan
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX
> collaboration
> >> is
> >> >> > > > > happening
> >> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
> >> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
> >> ideas
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > being
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache
> infrastructure
> >> >> team
> >> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
> >> >> static
> >> >> > > > > > site
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > export
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
> >> and
> >> >> ask
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > for
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > > some
> >> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
> >> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
> >> really
> >> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
> >> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute
> that
> >> way
> >> >> or
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > use
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > > the
> >> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Guillaume Nodet
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> > ------------------------
> >> > Open Source SOA
> >> > http://fusesource.com
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >> Principle Technical Writer
> >>
> >> Phone (781) 280-4174
> >> Skype finnmccumial
> >> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
> >> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
--
Principle Technical Writer
Phone (781) 280-4174
Skype finnmccumial
E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Gert Vanthienen <ge...@gmail.com>.
L.S.,
For the main website, I would set that up as a separate project in the
sandbox for now so Eric and Lukasz can start working things out there.
The big difference with the documentation is that there's probably no
need to ever cut a release for that project, rather just update the
pages and publish the new site contents, so I guess it will end up
being a separate project when we move it out of the sandbox anyway.
For the documentation project, I do agree that commits in github forks
would be a good way to propose patches. Especially when adding new
files or images or moving things around a lot, those commits are
usually a lot easier to pick up and apply. As long as there are JIRAs
to back those changes, the real communication is still passing by the
developer list where everyone can follow along.
There's one other difference though - when people attach a patch to a
JIRA issue, they have to select a radio button that says:
"Grant license to ASF for inclusion in ASF works (as per the Apache License §5)
Contributions intended for inclusion in ASF products (eg. patches,
code) must be licensed to ASF under the terms of the Apache License.
Other attachments (eg. log dumps, test cases) need not be."
If they just point us at a github fork commit, there's no way for them
to select that button. Would we have to ask them to attach the patch
anyway so they can explicitly grant the license to ASF to include the
code or how should we be handling this?
Regards,
Gert Vanthienen
------------------------
Open Source SOA: http://fusesource.com
Blog: http://gertvanthienen.blogspot.com/
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, if you plan to propose patches on the existing
> servicemix-documentation project (and not start a new project), you can use
> github commits (from your own fork of servicemix-documentation) as patches
> referred to by JIRA issue (instead of attaching the diff file to JIRA).
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:58, Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
>
>> Will do.
>>
>> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did not
>> > remember it was set up like that.
>> >
>> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
>> hack
>> > at will there ! :-)
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
>> he
>> >> > > > wants to get started.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
>> have
>> >> > > them,
>> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>> >> >
>> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
>> >>
>> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>> >> entry:
>> >>
>> >> [/cxf]
>> >> @cxf = rw
>> >>
>> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
>> >> @committers = rw
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
>> into
>> >> the
>> >> > > CMS
>> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
>> I
>> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
>> form,
>> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
>> with
>> >> > > svn checkouts,
>> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
>> how
>> >> > > "ready"
>> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
>> makes
>> >> it
>> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
>> bound
>> >> to
>> >> > markdown atm,
>> >>
>> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
>> you
>> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>> >> supposedly
>> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>> >> > powerful.
>> >> >
>> >> > > Dan
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration
>> is
>> >> > > > > happening
>> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
>> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
>> ideas
>> >> > >
>> >> > > being
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>> >> team
>> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>> >> static
>> >> > > > > > site
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > export
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
>> and
>> >> ask
>> >> > >
>> >> > > for
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > some
>> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
>> really
>> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
>> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
>> way
>> >> or
>> >> > >
>> >> > > use
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > > the
>> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
>> > Cheers,
>> > Guillaume Nodet
>> > ------------------------
>> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> > ------------------------
>> > Open Source SOA
>> > http://fusesource.com
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Principle Technical Writer
>>
>> Phone (781) 280-4174
>> Skype finnmccumial
>> E-Mail emjohnson@fusesource.com
>> Blog http://documentingit.blogspot.com/
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Actually, if you plan to propose patches on the existing
servicemix-documentation project (and not start a new project), you can use
github commits (from your own fork of servicemix-documentation) as patches
referred to by JIRA issue (instead of attaching the diff file to JIRA).
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:58, Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>wrote:
> Will do.
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did not
> > remember it was set up like that.
> >
> > Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and
> hack
> > at will there ! :-)
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> >> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if
> he
> >> > > > wants to get started.
> >> > >
> >> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects
> have
> >> > > them,
> >> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
> >> >
> >> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
> >> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
> >>
> >> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
> >> entry:
> >>
> >> [/cxf]
> >> @cxf = rw
> >>
> >> [/cxf/sandbox]
> >> @committers = rw
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck
> into
> >> the
> >> > > CMS
> >> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now.
> I
> >> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type
> form,
> >> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother
> with
> >> > > svn checkouts,
> >> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know
> how
> >> > > "ready"
> >> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It
> makes
> >> it
> >> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is
> bound
> >> to
> >> > markdown atm,
> >>
> >> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If
> you
> >> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
> >> supposedly
> >> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
> >>
> >> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
> >>
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
> >> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
> >> > powerful.
> >> >
> >> > > Dan
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> >> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration
> is
> >> > > > > happening
> >> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > and start hacking together a
> >> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design
> ideas
> >> > >
> >> > > being
> >> > >
> >> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
> >> team
> >> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
> >> static
> >> > > > > > site
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > export
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > plug-in.)
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA
> and
> >> ask
> >> > >
> >> > > for
> >> > >
> >> > > > > some
> >> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
> >> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it
> really
> >> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
> >> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that
> way
> >> or
> >> > >
> >> > > use
> >> > >
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
> > Cheers,
> > Guillaume Nodet
> > ------------------------
> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> > ------------------------
> > Open Source SOA
> > http://fusesource.com
> >
>
> --
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>
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------------------------
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------------------------
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
Will do.
On Friday, October 22, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did not
> remember it was set up like that.
>
> Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and hack
> at will there ! :-)
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if he
>> > > > wants to get started.
>> > >
>> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects have
>> > > them,
>> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>> >
>> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
>> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
>>
>> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
>> entry:
>>
>> [/cxf]
>> @cxf = rw
>>
>> [/cxf/sandbox]
>> @committers = rw
>>
>>
>>
>> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck into
>> the
>> > > CMS
>> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now. I
>> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type form,
>> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother with
>> > > svn checkouts,
>> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know how
>> > > "ready"
>> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>> >
>> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It makes
>> it
>> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is bound
>> to
>> > markdown atm,
>>
>> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If you
>> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
>> supposedly
>> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>>
>> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
>> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
>> > powerful.
>> >
>> > > Dan
>> > >
>> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
>> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is
>> > > > > happening
>> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > and start hacking together a
>> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas
>> > >
>> > > being
>> > >
>> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
>> team
>> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
>> static
>> > > > > > site
>> > > > >
>> > > > > export
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > plug-in.)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and
>> ask
>> > >
>> > > for
>> > >
>> > > > > some
>> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
>> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really
>> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
>> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way
>> or
>> > >
>> > > use
>> > >
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > web gui thing, it supports stagin--
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
--
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Well, we actually already have a sandbox opened to committers ? I did not
remember it was set up like that.
Eric, feel free to create your own tree in the servicemix sandbox and hack
at will there ! :-)
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:38, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> > > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if he
> > > > wants to get started.
> > >
> > > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects have
> > > them,
> > > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
> >
> > Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
> > permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
>
> No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF
> entry:
>
> [/cxf]
> @cxf = rw
>
> [/cxf/sandbox]
> @committers = rw
>
>
>
> > > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck into
> the
> > > CMS
> > > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now. I
> > > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type form,
> > > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother with
> > > svn checkouts,
> > > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know how
> > > "ready"
> > > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
> >
> > Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It makes
> it
> > way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is bound
> to
> > markdown atm,
>
> Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If you
> edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it
> supposedly
> can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
>
> http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
>
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
> > I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
> > powerful.
> >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> > > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> > > > >
> > > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is
> > > > > happening
> > > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> > > > >
> > > > > > and start hacking together a
> > > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas
> > >
> > > being
> > >
> > > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure
> team
> > > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the
> static
> > > > > > site
> > > > >
> > > > > export
> > > > >
> > > > > > plug-in.)
> > > > >
> > > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and
> ask
> > >
> > > for
> > >
> > > > > some
> > > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
> > > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really
> > > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
> > > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way
> or
> > >
> > > use
> > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > web gui thing, it supports staging, etc... Just a thought.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think this is a decent summary:
> > > > > > * Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib
> > > > > > (the
> > > > >
> > > > > things
> > > > >
> > > > > > most visitors want to see)
> > > > > > * News panel on landing page
> > > > > > * live updating twitter feed on landing page
> > > > > > * simpler navigation
> > > > > > * better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and
> 4.x
> > > > > > * organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
> > > > > > * make navigation easier
> > > > > >
> > > > > > anything else?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto
> > >
> > > soon
> > >
> > > > > [1]!
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Lukasz
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1] Soon = Wednesday
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
> > > > > > > To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
> > > > > > > > Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> > > > > > > > Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what
> > > > > > > > people say about "servicemix"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Freeman
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Daniel Kulp
> > > > > dkulp@apache.org
> > > > > http://dankulp.com/blog
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Kulp
> > > dkulp@apache.org
> > > http://dankulp.com/blog
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Friday 22 October 2010 9:27:43 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> > > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if he
> > > wants to get started.
> >
> > Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects have
> > them,
> > including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>
> Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
> permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
No ldap needed, just edit the asf-authorization-template file. The CXF entry:
[/cxf]
@cxf = rw
[/cxf/sandbox]
@committers = rw
> > What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck into the
> > CMS
> > there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now. I
> > THINK you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type form,
> > but for others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother with
> > svn checkouts,
> > commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know how
> > "ready"
> > it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>
> Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It makes it
> way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is bound to
> markdown atm,
Well, it associates file extensions with a process to run somehow. If you
edit a file with extension "mdtext", it uses the Perl thing, but it supposedly
can be extended for a bunch of other things. See:
http://www.staging.apache.org/dev/cms.html#templating
Dan
> I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
> I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
> powerful.
>
> > Dan
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> > > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> > > >
> > > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is
> > > > happening
> > > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> > > >
> > > > > and start hacking together a
> > > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas
> >
> > being
> >
> > > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure team
> > > > > is deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the static
> > > > > site
> > > >
> > > > export
> > > >
> > > > > plug-in.)
> > > >
> > > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and ask
> >
> > for
> >
> > > > some
> > > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable
> > > > template/markup system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really
> > > > is (like is a JVM allowed).
> > > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way or
> >
> > use
> >
> > > > the
> > > > web gui thing, it supports staging, etc... Just a thought.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > > > I think this is a decent summary:
> > > > > * Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib
> > > > > (the
> > > >
> > > > things
> > > >
> > > > > most visitors want to see)
> > > > > * News panel on landing page
> > > > > * live updating twitter feed on landing page
> > > > > * simpler navigation
> > > > > * better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and 4.x
> > > > > * organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
> > > > > * make navigation easier
> > > > >
> > > > > anything else?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto
> >
> > soon
> >
> > > > [1]!
> > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Lukasz
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1] Soon = Wednesday
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
> > > > > > To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > JB
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
> > > > > > > Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> > > > > > > Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what
> > > > > > > people say about "servicemix"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Freeman
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Daniel Kulp
> > > > dkulp@apache.org
> > > > http://dankulp.com/blog
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Kulp
> > dkulp@apache.org
> > http://dankulp.com/blog
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:19, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> > Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if he wants
> > to get started.
>
> Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects have
> them,
> including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
>
Right, good idea. Do you know how to set that up ? With the new ldap
permissions, i'm not quite sure how the svn permissions is set up now.
>
> > Submitting patches for something like that will imho be a bit difficult
> to
> > handle and I don't think it's really reasonable.
> > Or maybe hack it in the cxf tree so we can move it back ;-)
> >
> > As for the CMS infra is coming up with, not sure why we'd use it as we
> have
> > already discussed using scalate for the techincal doc, it makes sense to
> > use the same for the static web content.
>
> What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck into the
> CMS
> there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now. I THINK
> you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type form, but for
> others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother with svn
> checkouts,
> commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know how
> "ready"
> it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
>
Yeah, the svn based is really one of the important thing imho. It makes it
way easier to submit patches. Also, from what i read, the CMS is bound to
markdown atm, I actually did not really understand where the value was, but
I may have missed something. It looks to me that scalate is way more
powerful.
>
> Dan
>
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> > > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> > >
> > > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is
> > > happening
> > > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> > >
> > > > and start hacking together a
> > > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas
> being
> > > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure team is
> > > > deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the static site
> > >
> > > export
> > >
> > > > plug-in.)
> > >
> > > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and ask
> for
> > > some
> > > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable template/markup
> > > system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really is (like is a JVM
> > > allowed).
> > > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way or
> use
> > > the
> > > web gui thing, it supports staging, etc... Just a thought.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > > I think this is a decent summary:
> > > > * Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib (the
> > >
> > > things
> > >
> > > > most visitors want to see)
> > > > * News panel on landing page
> > > > * live updating twitter feed on landing page
> > > > * simpler navigation
> > > > * better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and 4.x
> > > > * organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
> > > > * make navigation easier
> > > >
> > > > anything else?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto
> soon
> > >
> > > [1]!
> > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Lukasz
> > > > >
> > > > > [1] Soon = Wednesday
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
> > > > > To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
> > > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > JB
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
> > > > > > Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> > > > > > Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what
> > > > > > people say about "servicemix"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Freeman
> > >
> > > --
> > > Daniel Kulp
> > > dkulp@apache.org
> > > http://dankulp.com/blog
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Friday 22 October 2010 9:10:01 am Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if he wants
> to get started.
Create a sandbox open to all Apache committers. Several projects have them,
including CXF, Maven, etc... Trivial to setup.
> Submitting patches for something like that will imho be a bit difficult to
> handle and I don't think it's really reasonable.
> Or maybe hack it in the cxf tree so we can move it back ;-)
>
> As for the CMS infra is coming up with, not sure why we'd use it as we have
> already discussed using scalate for the techincal doc, it makes sense to
> use the same for the static web content.
What I was trying to suggest was to see if scalate can get stuck into the CMS
there somehow instead of the Perl templating thing they have now. I THINK
you would still be able to use the "svn checked out" type form, but for
others, you could just use the web frontend and not bother with svn checkouts,
commits, etc.... Was just a thought. That said, I don't know how "ready"
it is yet. Possibly something to investigate later.
Dan
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> > > Would it make sense to start a github project
> >
> > Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is
> > happening
> > at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> >
> > > and start hacking together a
> > > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas being
> > > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure team is
> > > deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the static site
> >
> > export
> >
> > > plug-in.)
> >
> > What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and ask for
> > some
> > details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable template/markup
> > system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really is (like is a JVM
> > allowed).
> > All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way or use
> > the
> > web gui thing, it supports staging, etc... Just a thought.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > > I think this is a decent summary:
> > > * Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib (the
> >
> > things
> >
> > > most visitors want to see)
> > > * News panel on landing page
> > > * live updating twitter feed on landing page
> > > * simpler navigation
> > > * better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and 4.x
> > > * organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
> > > * make navigation easier
> > >
> > > anything else?
> > >
> > >
> > > 2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto soon
> >
> > [1]!
> >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Lukasz
> > > >
> > > > [1] Soon = Wednesday
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> > > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
> > > > To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
> > > >
> > > > +1
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > JB
> > > >
> > > > On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
> > > > > Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> > > > > Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what
> > > > > people say about "servicemix"
> > > > >
> > > > > Freeman
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Kulp
> > dkulp@apache.org
> > http://dankulp.com/blog
--
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dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Dan, Given Eric is not a committer, I don't see any other way if he wants to
get started.
Submitting patches for something like that will imho be a bit difficult to
handle and I don't think it's really reasonable.
Or maybe hack it in the cxf tree so we can move it back ;-)
As for the CMS infra is coming up with, not sure why we'd use it as we have
already discussed using scalate for the techincal doc, it makes sense to use
the same for the static web content.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 15:00, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> > Would it make sense to start a github project
>
> Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is
> happening
> at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
>
> > and start hacking together a
> > scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas being
> > offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure team is
> > deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the static site
> export
> > plug-in.)
>
> What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and ask for
> some
> details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable template/markup
> system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really is (like is a JVM
> allowed).
> All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way or use
> the
> web gui thing, it supports staging, etc... Just a thought.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> > I think this is a decent summary:
> > * Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib (the
> things
> > most visitors want to see)
> > * News panel on landing page
> > * live updating twitter feed on landing page
> > * simpler navigation
> > * better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and 4.x
> > * organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
> > * make navigation easier
> >
> > anything else?
> >
> >
> > 2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto soon
> [1]!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Lukasz
> > >
> > > [1] Soon = Wednesday
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> > > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
> > > To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > >
> > > On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
> > > > Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> > > > Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people
> > > > say about "servicemix"
> > > >
> > > > Freeman
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
--
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------------------------
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------------------------
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Friday 22 October 2010 8:40:35 am Eric Johnson wrote:
> Would it make sense to start a github project
Only if you want your next board report to say SMX collaboration is happening
at GitHub. Hint: that won't go over well.
> and start hacking together a
> scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas being
> offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure team is
> deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the static site export
> plug-in.)
What MAY actually be an interesting idea is to approach INFRA and ask for some
details on the new CMS. It supposedly has a pluggable template/markup
system, but I don't know how "pluggable" it really is (like is a JVM allowed).
All the content would be in SVN so folks could contribute that way or use the
web gui thing, it supports staging, etc... Just a thought.
Dan
> I think this is a decent summary:
> * Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib (the things
> most visitors want to see)
> * News panel on landing page
> * live updating twitter feed on landing page
> * simpler navigation
> * better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and 4.x
> * organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
> * make navigation easier
>
> anything else?
>
>
> 2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
>
> > Hi,
> > Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto soon [1]!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Lukasz
> >
> > [1] Soon = Wednesday
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
> > To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> > On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
> > > Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> > > Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people
> > > say about "servicemix"
> > >
> > > Freeman
--
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dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
It's a good starting point :)
Regards
JB
On 10/22/2010 02:40 PM, Eric Johnson wrote:
> Would it make sense to start a github project and start hacking together a
> scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas being
> offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure team is
> deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the static site export
> plug-in.)
>
> I think this is a decent summary:
> * Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib (the things
> most visitors want to see)
> * News panel on landing page
> * live updating twitter feed on landing page
> * simpler navigation
> * better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and 4.x
> * organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
> * make navigation easier
>
> anything else?
>
>
> 2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki<lu...@code-house.org>
>
>> Hi,
>> Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto soon [1]!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Lukasz
>>
>> [1] Soon = Wednesday
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
>> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>>
>> +1
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>> On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
>>>
>>> Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
>>> Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people say
>>> about "servicemix"
>>>
>>> Freeman
>>
>>
>
>
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Eric Johnson <em...@fusesource.com>.
Would it make sense to start a github project and start hacking together a
scalate version of the static site incorporating the design ideas being
offered? (I suggest scalate because the Apache infrastructure team is
deprecating Confluence due to lack of maintenance on the static site export
plug-in.)
I think this is a decent summary:
* Landing page should have big boxes for download, doc, contrib (the things
most visitors want to see)
* News panel on landing page
* live updating twitter feed on landing page
* simpler navigation
* better overview of ServiceMix to disambiguate between 3.x and 4.x
* organize site so that a user knows if content is for 3.x or 4.x
* make navigation easier
anything else?
2010/10/22 Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>
> Hi,
> Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto soon [1]!
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
> [1] Soon = Wednesday
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
>
> +1
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
> >
> > Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> > Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people say
> > about "servicemix"
> >
> > Freeman
>
>
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RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi,
Thank you very much for response and ideas. Bide for next proto soon [1]!
Regards,
Lukasz
[1] Soon = Wednesday
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:jb@nanthrax.net]
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 9:12 AM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: Re: [Discussion] Design update
+1
Regards
JB
On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
>
> Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people say
> about "servicemix"
>
> Freeman
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
+1
Regards
JB
On 10/22/2010 03:58 AM, Freeman-2 wrote:
>
> Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
> Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people say
> about "servicemix"
>
> Freeman
Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Freeman-2 <fr...@gmail.com>.
Strongly +1 for activity stream on the welcome page.
Just like Karaf already put twitter in, pull dynamically what people say
about "servicemix"
Freeman
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Re: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Lars Heinemann <lh...@apache.org>.
Hi,
as already stated in IRC the blue one looks good but I think it does not really fit to an Apache project.
Don't get me wrong on this but it looks somehow too cold and commercial.
Good:
--------------------------------
- the search box top right together with the ASF logo
- the use of boxes as also done in the mockup at http://servicemix.apache.org/home2
- the bottom alternate navigation as text links
What I would like to do different:
----------------------------------------------
- have an entry page without side navigation
- another project logo (already have one in mind but want to make a picture first)
- less menu items / pages
- an extensive features page
- put some nice looking boxes on welcome page for Downloads, Documentation and Contributing (like on http://www.opensuse.org)
- breadcrumbs for better orientation
- activity stream on the welcome page for Twitter, Blogs, News and Jira
Hope this helps,
Lars
Am 21.10.2010 um 08:44 schrieb Łukasz Dywicki:
> Hello,
> I have two updates for you:
>
> Black version
> http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
> Blue version
> http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
> To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
> Subject: [Discussion] Design update
>
> Hi all,
> The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
> another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit better
> than plain wiki.
>
> My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him task:
> update servicemix web page design.
> Here is first snapshot of his work:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
>
> Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one proposal
> - this is only demo.
> We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
>
> If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us know,
> we'll implement it.
>
> Regards,
> Lukasz
>
>
RE: [Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hello,
I have two updates for you:
Black version
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/5087/servicemix.jpg
Blue version
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/6781/servicemix2.jpg
Regards,
Lukasz
-----Original Message-----
From: Łukasz Dywicki [mailto:luke@code-house.org]
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:19 PM
To: dev@servicemix.apache.org
Subject: [Discussion] Design update
Hi all,
The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit better
than plain wiki.
My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him task:
update servicemix web page design.
Here is first snapshot of his work:
http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one proposal
- this is only demo.
We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us know,
we'll implement it.
Regards,
Lukasz
[Discussion] Design update
Posted by Łukasz Dywicki <lu...@code-house.org>.
Hi all,
The changes in ServiceMix are hot topic now so I'll try too to provoke
another discuss. Current page design is not the best, only little bit better
than plain wiki.
My young intern have a lot of free time until december so I gave him task:
update servicemix web page design.
Here is first snapshot of his work:
http://tinyurl.com/smx-proto
Don't get this as final (it even don't look like final) or only one proposal
- this is only demo.
We are open for ideas how to make webpage look and feel better.
If you have idea how to make servicemix webpage better - simply let us know,
we'll implement it.
Regards,
Lukasz
Re: [Discussion] Web site updating
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Good idea Adrian !!
Regards
JB
On 10/15/2010 12:00 PM, Adrian Trenaman wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> I'd be very happy to get the stuff out of confluence and into SVN as you
> propose. I saw a post from James on Scalate, and I think that it would
> be great way to leverage Scalate as part of our renovation.
>
> Possibly the most important things for me are:
>
> a) That it becomes part of source-code control. This makes documentation
> a 'first class citizen' in our community, and allows talented writers to
> contribute and become recognized committers. In the past, there has been
> little incentive or recognition for writing documentation, and this will
> fix that.
>
> b) That whatever format we use is easy-peasy to write, and lets us focus
> on content/structure rather than formatting.
>
> On a related note, the documentation problem on the Apache site is, I
> feel, doing the ServiceMix community a disservice - yet, thankfully, its
> not an NP-hard problem to fix! To fix it fast, I'd like to propose a
> 'docuthon' event. If someone can set out the structure of the
> documentation, and then create a load of JIRA's for the individual
> sections/sub-sections that need to be written, we could mobilize the
> community for a single week to stop coding and get writing, for just one
> week. Then, someone in an 'editor' role can pull it all together, clean
> it up, and enforce coherency.
>
> What do you think?
>
> On 15/10/2010 00:20, Eric Johnson wrote:
>> I saw that there have been a number of starts for getting the project Web
>> site updated, but not a lot of forward progress. I'd like to help out and
>> have the time to get some of the work done.
>>
>> I like the proposal at http://servicemix.apache.org/home2.html. It does a
>> nice job of presenting a unified entry point and guiding a visitor to the
>> version of ServiceMix they want. The side menu could be de-cluttered
>> allot.
>> Perhaps removing the documentation and component sections and adding
>> short
>> sections for SMX3 and SMX4?
>>
>> For the version specific sub-sites there needs to be some re-org as
>> well to
>> make it clear what information is for users and what is for
>> developers. The
>> SMX4 stuff should probably be re-orged to remove the distictions
>> between the
>> NMR, Kernel, and ServiceMix.
>>
>> As for the discussion about moving some of the documentation into
>> DocBook,
>> or at least into something that can be versioned better, I can help with
>> that as well. There needs to be some distinction between what should
>> be done
>> in the Wiki and what should be done in DocBook. IMHO user-facing,
>> authoritative content should be done in DocBook and technical articles,
>> knowledge base articles, FAQs, and more developer focused stuff should be
>> done in the Wiki.
>>
>> Would it make sense to move the main site pages out of confluence and
>> into a
>> format that can be stored in SVN? Maybe use a tool like Scalate?
>> Cheers,
>> Eric J.
>>
Re: [Discussion] Web site updating
Posted by Adrian Trenaman <tr...@progress.com>.
Hi Eric,
I'd be very happy to get the stuff out of confluence and into SVN as you
propose. I saw a post from James on Scalate, and I think that it would
be great way to leverage Scalate as part of our renovation.
Possibly the most important things for me are:
a) That it becomes part of source-code control. This makes documentation
a 'first class citizen' in our community, and allows talented writers to
contribute and become recognized committers. In the past, there has been
little incentive or recognition for writing documentation, and this will
fix that.
b) That whatever format we use is easy-peasy to write, and lets us focus
on content/structure rather than formatting.
On a related note, the documentation problem on the Apache site is, I
feel, doing the ServiceMix community a disservice - yet, thankfully, its
not an NP-hard problem to fix! To fix it fast, I'd like to propose a
'docuthon' event. If someone can set out the structure of the
documentation, and then create a load of JIRA's for the individual
sections/sub-sections that need to be written, we could mobilize the
community for a single week to stop coding and get writing, for just one
week. Then, someone in an 'editor' role can pull it all together, clean
it up, and enforce coherency.
What do you think?
On 15/10/2010 00:20, Eric Johnson wrote:
> I saw that there have been a number of starts for getting the project Web
> site updated, but not a lot of forward progress. I'd like to help out and
> have the time to get some of the work done.
>
> I like the proposal at http://servicemix.apache.org/home2.html. It does a
> nice job of presenting a unified entry point and guiding a visitor to the
> version of ServiceMix they want. The side menu could be de-cluttered allot.
> Perhaps removing the documentation and component sections and adding short
> sections for SMX3 and SMX4?
>
> For the version specific sub-sites there needs to be some re-org as well to
> make it clear what information is for users and what is for developers. The
> SMX4 stuff should probably be re-orged to remove the distictions between the
> NMR, Kernel, and ServiceMix.
>
> As for the discussion about moving some of the documentation into DocBook,
> or at least into something that can be versioned better, I can help with
> that as well. There needs to be some distinction between what should be done
> in the Wiki and what should be done in DocBook. IMHO user-facing,
> authoritative content should be done in DocBook and technical articles,
> knowledge base articles, FAQs, and more developer focused stuff should be
> done in the Wiki.
>
> Would it make sense to move the main site pages out of confluence and into a
> format that can be stored in SVN? Maybe use a tool like Scalate?
> Cheers,
> Eric J.
>