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Posted to server-dev@james.apache.org by "Peter M. Goldstein" <pe...@yahoo.com> on 2002/10/27 01:47:19 UTC
[VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the NNTP spec
All,
I'm quite frankly fed up. The NNTP code clearly doesn't work, and my
attempts to resolve its issues have been met with hostility.
I won't put out a release with my name on it that has such poorly
functioning code in its bowels. It violates spec all over the place
(see open bugs) and is just unpleasant to work with. It is not in
active use by anyone on the james-user list. So I'm going to take up a
suggestion Noel made a couple of months ago and officially propose it.
And apologize to him for not taking it up in the first place.
I propose that the NNTP server be moved to the proposals directory until
and unless it meets spec and provides the basic functionality expected
of an NNTP server. That way it won't interfere with the current
release.
--Peter
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Re: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the NNTP spec
Posted by Serge Knystautas <se...@lokitech.com>.
+1
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter M. Goldstein" <pe...@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 7:47 PM
Subject: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the
NNTP spec
>
> All,
>
> I'm quite frankly fed up. The NNTP code clearly doesn't work, and my
> attempts to resolve its issues have been met with hostility.
>
> I won't put out a release with my name on it that has such poorly
> functioning code in its bowels. It violates spec all over the place
> (see open bugs) and is just unpleasant to work with. It is not in
> active use by anyone on the james-user list. So I'm going to take up a
> suggestion Noel made a couple of months ago and officially propose it.
> And apologize to him for not taking it up in the first place.
>
> I propose that the NNTP server be moved to the proposals directory until
> and unless it meets spec and provides the basic functionality expected
> of an NNTP server. That way it won't interfere with the current
> release.
>
> --Peter
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Re: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the NNTP spec
Posted by Harmeet Bedi <ha...@kodemuse.com>.
-0
Some users have used it successfully.
As far as I know nntp has worked well with most Mail clients. The testing as
far as I know has been authentication Off.
However NNTP status is experimental and James doesn't have a big installed
base either.
I think it may be a good idea to leave it where it is and remove it from the
config and assembly file if you think it should not be released.
or release separatly
I am planning to create nntp protocol tests and hopefully so are others. We
could release it in the next cycle as more tests come online.
Harmeet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter M. Goldstein" <pe...@yahoo.com>
To: "'James Developers List'" <ja...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2002 4:47 PM
Subject: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the
NNTP spec
>
> All,
>
> I'm quite frankly fed up. The NNTP code clearly doesn't work, and my
> attempts to resolve its issues have been met with hostility.
>
> I won't put out a release with my name on it that has such poorly
> functioning code in its bowels. It violates spec all over the place
> (see open bugs) and is just unpleasant to work with. It is not in
> active use by anyone on the james-user list. So I'm going to take up a
> suggestion Noel made a couple of months ago and officially propose it.
> And apologize to him for not taking it up in the first place.
>
> I propose that the NNTP server be moved to the proposals directory until
> and unless it meets spec and provides the basic functionality expected
> of an NNTP server. That way it won't interfere with the current
> release.
>
> --Peter
>
>
>
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RE: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the NNTP spec
Posted by Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>.
-0
d.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:noel@devtech.com]
> Sent: 27 October 2002 01:42
> To: James Developers List
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics
> of the NNTP spec
>
>
> Peter,
>
> One moment, please. :-)
>
> As I understand it, you feel that your changes, which are checked
> in, bring
> NNTP up to a working status. If that is true, then I am -1 on
> this vote to
> move it. I see no reason to (re)move working code. If I am
> wrong, and NNTP
> is not ready even with your changes, then I would agree to move
> it until it
> is working.
>
> Instead of moving working code, we should do the normal thing, and reject
> changes that take a functioning piece of software and break it.
> Otherwise,
> if a change is submitted that works, we're supposed to have good technical
> reasons in order to reject it.
>
> --- Noel
>
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RE: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the NNTP spec
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Peter,
One moment, please. :-)
As I understand it, you feel that your changes, which are checked in, bring
NNTP up to a working status. If that is true, then I am -1 on this vote to
move it. I see no reason to (re)move working code. If I am wrong, and NNTP
is not ready even with your changes, then I would agree to move it until it
is working.
Instead of moving working code, we should do the normal thing, and reject
changes that take a functioning piece of software and break it. Otherwise,
if a change is submitted that works, we're supposed to have good technical
reasons in order to reject it.
--- Noel
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RE: [VOTE] - Move NNTP to Proposals until it meets the basics of the NNTP spec
Posted by Alan Gerhard <al...@GerCom.Com>.
I propose that the NNTP server be moved to the proposals directory until
and unless it meets spec and provides the basic functionality expected
of an NNTP server. That way it won't interfere with the current
release.
--Peter
Absolutely -
Let's please move on with the release of **stable** version and then focus more
on allocating resources to correct/develop code to move James forward.
NNTP was the first service/block I removed when installing for the first time.
alan
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