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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by BH...@powersystems.rockwell.com on 2005/07/05 16:25:49 UTC
[OT] RE: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Hopefully, this will trigger this to be an OT topic from this point
forward.
I have been ignoring this thread for the most part, but with all the
postings figured I would glance over it.
There are dozens of large Struts sites out there. I have worked on a lot
of Enterprise Class websites that Use Struts. It is a solid viable
framework solution which is easy to learn and implement.
A few sites that I have been involved with:
BlueCross / BlueShield
TRICARE Call Center
AHOLD USA
MeadWestvaco
Rockwell Automation
All of these sites I consider large (Some running several hundred thousand
transactions per hour and supporting thousands of simultaneous users). I
am not knocking .NET or any other programming platform. There are many
great examples of each of these available. But Struts is a framework will
be around for a long time to come. JSF, SHELL, and others are building off
of the lessons learn from this framework and will become just as popular
over time.
If you don't like Struts, Java, J2EE... fine, go on to .NET or what ever
else you choose. The are all valid solutions with limitations and features
that attract and deter based on what you need. But can we please get these
emails back on track. I would prefer reading messages on tips, techniques,
and problems rather than all this complaining. It is amusing to a point,
annoying after that.
"David Suarez"
<Suarez.David@job
corps.org> To
"Dakota Jack"
07/05/2005 09:28 <da...@gmail.com>, "Struts
AM Users Mailing List"
<us...@struts.apache.org>
cc
Please respond to
"Struts Users Subject
Mailing List" RE: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs
<user@struts.apac .NET???)
he.org>
Can you guys start marking this topic "OT"?
Seems like someone from PR is getting paid to hijack this mail group. Can
some of the seasoned guys step in here so they'll pay attention?
Regards...djsuarez
-----Original Message-----
From: Dakota Jack [mailto:dakota.jack@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 1:54 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: Re: J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
Your discussion of a "struts signature" shows once again you don't
have a clue beyond fairly simple amateur topics, Xu.
On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu <xi...@email.com> wrote:
> Thank Yan Hu for giving this site.
>
> It seems they run on Netscape-Enterprise/6.0. However, I did not see
struts' signature from there yet by trying to filling some forms.
> It looks like JSP-servlets handling form submision.
>
> One former site that used struts is reuters.com. Now they have
redesigned/re-developed the site with Asp.net.
>
> Jack H. Xu
> Technology columnist and editor
>
> <a href="http://www.cppunit.org/article/index.jsp
">http://www.usanalyst.com</a>
>
> <a href="http://www.getusjobs.com/jobsite/index.jsp
">http://www.getusjobs.com</a> (The largest free job portal in North
America)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yan Hu" <ya...@yahoo.com>
> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <us...@struts.apache.org>
> Subject: Re:J2EE vs .Net (was Struts vs .NET???)
> Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 11:20:30 -0700 (PDT)
>
> >
> > www.verizonwireless.com uses Struts... Check it out.. The site is
> > slow. However, I do not think it
> > has anything to with Struts. Struts has a relatively simple and
> > clean structure. If a site that
> > uses Struts appears slow, it's backend or middle tier must be
> > lacking... People who often say
> > "Struts is slow" do not know what struts really is. If JSF is
> > proven to be as efficient as Struts,
> > It will be a huge success. I am a big fan of JSF....
> >
> >
> > --- Leon Rosenberg <st...@anotheria.net> wrote:
> >
> > > How large is large?
> > >
> > > I could show you some, but I need to know, what you define as large,
to show
> > > you the right one.
> > > Doesn't struts project itself has a success stories page anymore?
> > >
> > > leon
> > >
> > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: John Henry Xu [mailto:xixu@email.com] > Gesendet: Samstag,
> > > 2. Juli 2005 18:30
> > > > An: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > Betreff: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> > > > > Dakota Jack,
> > > > > Do you always accuse people don't understand framework if >
> > > they don't agree with you?
> > > > > You need evidence to back up your claims. Show us some large
> > > > struts web sites you had/have worked on so we can discuss >
> > > them and technologies according to your claims.
> > > > > Jack H. Xu
> > > > Technology columnist and editor
> > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com
> > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in >
> > > North America) > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dakota Jack"
> > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> > > > Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2005 05:28:02 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > You only have this "experience" because you clearly do > not
even see
> > > > > what te framework does for you. If you don't see that, you see
> > > > > nothing.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/2/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
> > > > > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't
have
> > > > to code
> > > > > > > the framework.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That was an interesting statement. My experience was Struts
have
> > > > more
> > > > > > codes and configuration files than straight forward
> > > > JSP+Javabean+taglibs
> > > > > > approach that was done before.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And also I would insist J2EE vs .Net is a more appropriate
> > > > > > comparison than JSF vs .NET (as you suggested in another
email).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jack H. Xu
> > > > > > Technology columnist and editor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in
North
> > > > America)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Dakota Jack"
> > > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 23:45:41 -0700
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The lines with Struts are in fact less, because you don't
have
> > > > to
> > > > > > code
> > > > > > > the framework.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 7/1/05, John Henry Xu wrote:
> > > > > > > > Rick, you are right that you can write struts using very
> > > > basic
> > > > > > text editor.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My consideation is based on the cost of software >
development.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let's say for the same problem that you tried to solve:
> > > > before
> > > > > > > > your code was 1000 lines. Now in struts, your code are
1500
> > > > lines
> > > > > > > > (remember those setters and getters and > configuration
files.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Assume you use basic text editor, the time you finish
your
> > > > > > > > project is 1.5 times than before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now if this transfer to many projects, the budget you
finish
> > > > > > > > those projects will be 1.5 times as before.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Suppose your department used to spend 10 million dollars
a
> > > > year,
> > > > > > > > now you need 15 million dollars to do the same work.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So good GUIs to automate repeatable codes are neccessary
to
> > > > cut
> > > > > > > > those 5 million dollars.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu
> > > > > > > > Technology columnist and editor
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.getusjobs.com (The largest free job portal in
> > > > North
> > > > > > America)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Rick Reumann"
> > > > > > > > To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Struts vs .NET???
> > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:35:31 -0400
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John Henry Xu wrote the following on 6/30/2005 11:49
PM:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > struts can fit into J2EE structure and it is > only
part of
> > > > it.
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > my opinion, you better use some GUI tools to develop
> > > > struts
> > > > > > > > > > application, otherwise you spend lots of time on
getters
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > setters.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well even many of the most basic editors will make
get/set
> > > > > > methods,
> > > > > > > > > so I wouldn't say you need a GUI Tool at all for coding
> > > > Struts
> > > > > > > > > apps. I happen to use IDEA and jEdit, mostly because
I'm
> > > > used
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > using them. (Yea I know Eclipse is good also..bla bla..
> > > > > > everyone
> > > > > > > > > just use what you like.. emacs, vim, pico, chalkboard,
> > > > > > whatever:)
> > > > > > > > > It's just very misleading to state that you need GUI
tools
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > > create Struts apps.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -- Rick
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > > > > Jack H. Xu
> > > > > > > > Technology columnist and editor
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.usanalyst.com
> > > > > > > >
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