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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Randy Shepherd <ra...@iwin.com> on 2005/09/01 03:15:20 UTC
Re: The latest stable version of struts
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How many man hours are associated with moving from 1.1 to 1.2.7? What
are the major challenges?
- -Randy
On Aug 31, 2005, at 4:09 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
> I think the situation is similar to which JDK people use. Right now,
> the
> bulkof the marketplace is probably using 1.3, with 1.4 gaining ground,
> and
> 1.5 still considered the newbie.
>
> Likewise, from what ?I hear, it seems that the bulk of the Struts
> marketplace is still using 1.1, with 1.2 gaining ground.
>
> As Craig said, the committers consider Struts 1.2.7 to be the "best
> available release".
>
> * http://struts.apache.org/acquiring.html
>
> Struts 1.3.x is on its way, and the bugs that we've had to address
> between
> 1.2.7 and 1.3.x were very minor. Struts 1.2.7 is proving to be a very
> stable
> platform, with great new features.
>
> * http://struts.apache.org/userGuide/release-notes.html
>
> We do want to stress that it is *very* important to stay current with
> deprecation warnings. We *do* remove deprecated features with each
> release
> series. Each release in the 1.x series is compatiable with the series
> before, but that is all the we guarantee.
>
> Don't be left behind. If you thnk you might want to use Struts 1.3.x
> later,
> our best advice would be to try using Struts 1.2.7 now, and get that
> round
> of deprecrations out of the way.
>
> -Ted.
>
> On 8/31/05, souravm <SO...@infosys.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ranjay,
>>
>> I've also used Struts 1.1 extensively.
>>
>> However, I believe Struts 1.2 has some advanced features (like
>> centralized exception handling etc.). So I'm looking for feedback on
>> how
>> Struts 1.2.x otherwise.
>>
>> Hopefully Craig will read this mail and clarify my doubt.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sourav
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SINHA Ranjay [mailto:RSinha2@COVANSYS.COM]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:40 PM
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> Subject: RE: The latest stable version of struts
>>
>> I have used Struts 1.1 extensively without hiccup but you should take
>> a
>> advice of Craig himself he is one who created this framework.
>>
>> Ranjay
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: souravm [mailto:SOURAVM@infosys.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:27 PM
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> Subject: RE: The latest stable version of struts
>>
>> Hi Ranjay,
>>
>> I believe after 1.1 there are already 1.2.x versions released. Do you
>> mean to say none of them are stable ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sourav
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SINHA Ranjay [mailto:RSinha2@COVANSYS.COM]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:02 PM
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> Subject: RE: The latest stable version of struts
>>
>> Struts 1.1 is the one. Infact this is the last final released version.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: souravm [mailto:SOURAVM@infosys.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:51 AM
>> To: Struts Users Mailing List
>> Subject: The latest stable version of struts
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Can anyone please let me know which is the latest stable version of
>> Struts to be used which has lesser bugs/problems ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sourav
>>
>>
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> --
> HTH, Ted.
> http://www.husted.com/poe/
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Re: The latest stable version of struts
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 8/31/05, Niall Pemberton <ni...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> Depends on the size of your project, the features you've used and how you've
> developed it. The following notes should help you assess it yourself:
>
> Notes on upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2.4:
> http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsUpgradeNotes11to124
>
> Notes on upgrading from 1.2.4 to 1.2.7:
> http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsUpgradeNotes124to127
And, most importantly, how many deprecated features a team is using.
We do retain backward compatability between 1.x releases. So, if we
did our job right, and if a1.1 release compiles *without* deprecation
warnings, then it should be compile-and-go for 1.2, with zero code
changes. Again, if the 1.1 compiles *without* deprecation warnings.
Ditto for 1.2. If a 1.2 application compiles *without* deprecation
warnings, then it should be compile-and-go for 1.3. (And if it isn't,
we want to hear about it!)
But, if an application already has deprecation warnings for 1.1 and a
team waits for 1.3, then there will be that much more work to do.
Of course, the real fun is taking advantage of the new features, like
wildcard mappings and lazy validator forms in 1.2, and the very cool
"extends" that's coming in 1.3.
-- HTH, Ted.
http://www.husted.com/poe/
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Re: The latest stable version of struts
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
Depends on the size of your project, the features you've used and how you've
developed it. The following notes should help you assess it yourself:
Notes on upgrading from 1.1 to 1.2.4:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsUpgradeNotes11to124
Notes on upgrading from 1.2.4 to 1.2.7:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsUpgradeNotes124to127
Niall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Shepherd" <ra...@iwin.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:15 AM
> How many man hours are associated with moving from 1.1 to 1.2.7? What
> are the major challenges?
>
> - -Randy
>
> On Aug 31, 2005, at 4:09 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
>
> > I think the situation is similar to which JDK people use. Right now,
> > the
> > bulkof the marketplace is probably using 1.3, with 1.4 gaining ground,
> > and
> > 1.5 still considered the newbie.
> >
> > Likewise, from what ?I hear, it seems that the bulk of the Struts
> > marketplace is still using 1.1, with 1.2 gaining ground.
> >
> > As Craig said, the committers consider Struts 1.2.7 to be the "best
> > available release".
> >
> > * http://struts.apache.org/acquiring.html
> >
> > Struts 1.3.x is on its way, and the bugs that we've had to address
> > between
> > 1.2.7 and 1.3.x were very minor. Struts 1.2.7 is proving to be a very
> > stable
> > platform, with great new features.
> >
> > * http://struts.apache.org/userGuide/release-notes.html
> >
> > We do want to stress that it is *very* important to stay current with
> > deprecation warnings. We *do* remove deprecated features with each
> > release
> > series. Each release in the 1.x series is compatiable with the series
> > before, but that is all the we guarantee.
> >
> > Don't be left behind. If you thnk you might want to use Struts 1.3.x
> > later,
> > our best advice would be to try using Struts 1.2.7 now, and get that
> > round
> > of deprecrations out of the way.
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
> > On 8/31/05, souravm <SO...@infosys.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Ranjay,
> >>
> >> I've also used Struts 1.1 extensively.
> >>
> >> However, I believe Struts 1.2 has some advanced features (like
> >> centralized exception handling etc.). So I'm looking for feedback on
> >> how
> >> Struts 1.2.x otherwise.
> >>
> >> Hopefully Craig will read this mail and clarify my doubt.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Sourav
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SINHA Ranjay [mailto:RSinha2@COVANSYS.COM]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:40 PM
> >>
> >> I have used Struts 1.1 extensively without hiccup but you should take
> >> a
> >> advice of Craig himself he is one who created this framework.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: souravm [mailto:SOURAVM@infosys.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:27 PM
> >>
> >> I believe after 1.1 there are already 1.2.x versions released. Do you
> >> mean to say none of them are stable ?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SINHA Ranjay [mailto:RSinha2@COVANSYS.COM]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 12:02 PM
> >>
> >> Struts 1.1 is the one. Infact this is the last final released version.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: souravm [mailto:SOURAVM@infosys.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 11:51 AM
> >>
> >> Can anyone please let me know which is the latest stable version of
> >> Struts to be used which has lesser bugs/problems ?
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Re: The latest stable version of struts
Posted by am...@amos.mailshell.com.
On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 06:16 -0400, Ted Husted wrote:
> On 9/1/05, amos@amos.mailshell.com <am...@amos.mailshell.com> wrote:
> > I had to find a new way to do some things but these were the
> > exceptions. The bulk of the code needed simple bulk adjustments
> > or no touching at all.
>
> Do you happen to remember if these cases were the result of features
> deprecated in 1.1 and removed in 1.2?
Yes, I think the above description applies to all the special
cases.
--Amos
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Re: The latest stable version of struts
Posted by Ted Husted <te...@gmail.com>.
On 9/1/05, amos@amos.mailshell.com <am...@amos.mailshell.com> wrote:
> I had to find a new way to do some things but these were the
> exceptions. The bulk of the code needed simple bulk adjustments
> or no touching at all.
Do you happen to remember if these cases were the result of features
deprecated in 1.1 and removed in 1.2?
-Ted.
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Re: The latest stable version of struts
Posted by am...@amos.mailshell.com.
On Wed, 2005-08-31 at 18:15 -0700, Randy Shepherd wrote:
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> How many man hours are associated with moving from 1.1 to 1.2.7? What
> are the major challenges?
As others indicated it depends, but if it helps I've just upgraded
a web application with 2200+ files, 300k lines from 1.1 to 1.2.7 in
two days.
I had to find a new way to do some things but these were the
exceptions. The bulk of the code needed simple bulk adjustments
or no touching at all.
IntelliJ IDEA's refactoring and code analysis was priceless
in the process.
Cheers,
--Amos
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