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Posted to dev@lenya.apache.org by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org> on 2009/04/01 11:37:13 UTC
Re: Docu publication redesign
Hi Jürgen,
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Am 30.03.2009 um 17:04 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IMO this is a good idea. Would it be possible to use the standard
>>>> Lenya logo (incl. the brand name "apache" and the feather)? I think
>>>> there should be only one version of the logo (the "built with" is a
>>>> compromise because of the narrow column width).
>>> You're right. We should use one Lenya logo. What about promoting the
>>> design contest as an addition to the Logo - see my latest suggestion.
>>> I got carried away a bit with the previous suggestion ;-).
>>> Logo-Design is a nice thing...
>>
>> I like this one better than the previous one. I'm not sure how
>> attached you are to your creation
>> – a friend of mine is a designer and familiar with logos and such
>> things, shall I ask her if she'd like to make another suggestion?
>
> Thats fine I'm open to more suggestions.
alright – I asked her to come up with something until Saturday, April 4.
I'll go on vacation on Sunday, but I could publish the announcements (or
send the requests) on/to the sites I mentioned on Saturday. The problem
is that we don't know yet what the banner will look like, so maybe I
should rather send the banner to the list and let you start with the
announcements (with whatever banner you agree on).
BTW, what are your opinions on the "mailing list poster" definition?
"Persons who posted at least one message to any Lenya mailing list
during the period of one year prior to the start of the contest"
Is this OK for everybody? (I sent another mail some days ago)
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler schrieb:
> On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:01 +0200, Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
>> Hello Thorsten
>>
>> Am 01.04.2009 um 12:20 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> ...
>>> Why do they have to be subscribed before?
>> I'm not shure if we talk about the same thing here.
>> The one year subscription is not necessary to participants in the
>> contest (they will submit their design pictures in a bugzilla entry)
>> but rather for the voters.
>>
>> The «one year» rule should ensure that there is no way to quickly
>> subscribe and vote but rather be envolved a bit longer before gaining
>> the right to vote.
>> I suggest to stick to the above mailing ist poster definition.
>
> Thanks for the clarification Jürgen. I am not sure about the voting
> part. We have clear guidelines on which votes counts for an official
> vote (all PMC members have a binding vote).
I'm not sure if these guidelines should apply here. The design contest
is rather an informal act that is not covered by the project guidelines.
> In the case of the redesign (and actually any other case) we normally
> listen to all votes.
Do you think that the votes of people without any merit should have the
same weight as the votes of mailing list contributors and committers?
IMO the star system is a good way to honor the merit people have earned.
> The problem I see is how to control this one year rule? Some people are
> subscribed years without posting, other via newsgroups, etc..
The rule applies only to people who posted at least one mail during the
period of one year.
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@juntadeandalucia.es>.
On Sun, 2009-04-19 at 11:01 +0200, Jürgen Ragaller wrote:
> Hello Thorsten
>
> Am 01.04.2009 um 12:20 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
...
> > Why do they have to be subscribed before?
>
> I'm not shure if we talk about the same thing here.
> The one year subscription is not necessary to participants in the
> contest (they will submit their design pictures in a bugzilla entry)
> but rather for the voters.
>
> The «one year» rule should ensure that there is no way to quickly
> subscribe and vote but rather be envolved a bit longer before gaining
> the right to vote.
> I suggest to stick to the above mailing ist poster definition.
Thanks for the clarification Jürgen. I am not sure about the voting
part. We have clear guidelines on which votes counts for an official
vote (all PMC members have a binding vote).
In the case of the redesign (and actually any other case) we normally
listen to all votes.
The problem I see is how to control this one year rule? Some people are
subscribed years without posting, other via newsgroups, etc..
IMO everybody should vote.
salu2
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Hello Thorsten
Am 01.04.2009 um 12:20 schrieb Thorsten Scherler:
> On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 11:37 +0200, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> ...
>> BTW, what are your opinions on the "mailing list poster" definition?
>>
>> "Persons who posted at least one message to any Lenya mailing list
>> during the period of one year prior to the start of the contest"
>>
>> Is this OK for everybody? (I sent another mail some days ago)
>
> I must admit that I do not see the need for it. If a person just
> subscribes to the list and post their proposals that is fine with me.
> Why do they have to be subscribed before?
I'm not shure if we talk about the same thing here.
The one year subscription is not necessary to participants in the
contest (they will submit their design pictures in a bugzilla entry)
but rather for the voters.
The «one year» rule should ensure that there is no way to quickly
subscribe and vote but rather be envolved a bit longer before gaining
the right to vote.
I suggest to stick to the above mailing ist poster definition.
Jürgen
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 11:37 +0200, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
...
> BTW, what are your opinions on the "mailing list poster" definition?
>
> "Persons who posted at least one message to any Lenya mailing list
> during the period of one year prior to the start of the contest"
>
> Is this OK for everybody? (I sent another mail some days ago)
I must admit that I do not see the need for it. If a person just
subscribes to the list and post their proposals that is fine with me.
Why do they have to be subscribed before?
salu2
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Am 01.04.2009 um 11:37 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>>
>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>> Am 30.03.2009 um 17:04 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO this is a good idea. Would it be possible to use the standard
>>>>>> Lenya logo (incl. the brand name "apache" and the feather)? I
>>>>>> think there should be only one version of the logo (the "built
>>>>>> with" is a compromise because of the narrow column width).
>>>>> You're right. We should use one Lenya logo. What about promoting
>>>>> the design contest as an addition to the Logo - see my latest
>>>>> suggestion. I got carried away a bit with the previous suggestion
>>>>> ;-). Logo-Design is a nice thing...
>>>>
>>>> I like this one better than the previous one. I'm not sure how
>>>> attached you are to your creation
>>>> – a friend of mine is a designer and familiar with logos and such
>>>> things, shall I ask her if she'd like to make another suggestion?
>>> Thats fine I'm open to more suggestions.
>>
>> alright – I asked her to come up with something until Saturday, April
>> 4. I'll go on vacation on Sunday, but I could publish the
>> announcements (or send the requests) on/to the sites I mentioned on
>> Saturday. The problem is that we don't know yet what the banner will
>> look like, so maybe I should rather send the banner to the list and
>> let you start with the announcements (with whatever banner you agree on).
>
> Any news on the banner design?
No, I'm sorry for the delay – my friend didn't come up with something
until now, so from my POV we can proceed with what we have now.
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Hi devs
I added a draft of the announcement for the design contest, and
modified the dates.
https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
Jürgen
Am 26.04.2009 um 11:18 schrieb Jürgen Ragaller:
> Hello Devs
>
>
> Am 21.04.2009 um 23:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>
>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>
>>> Any news on the banner design?
>>
>> I played a bit with Inkscape tonight. The PNG version is included
>> below Jürgen's banner. I have also attached the SVG version.
>
>
> Lenya devs: what are your opinions about the design contest banners?
>
> the green or red/brown design?
>
> See here:
> https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jürgen
>
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Hello Devs
>
>
> Am 21.04.2009 um 23:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>
>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>
>>> Any news on the banner design?
>>
>> I played a bit with Inkscape tonight. The PNG version is included
>> below Jürgen's banner. I have also attached the SVG version.
>
>
> Lenya devs: what are your opinions about the design contest banners?
>
> the green or red/brown design?
>
> See here:
> https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
My designer friend finally found the time to create a banner, I added it
to the page. It says "Web Design Contest", though – if we choose this
variant we should probably change it to "Website Design Contest".
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Hello Devs
>
>
> Am 21.04.2009 um 23:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>
>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>
>>> Any news on the banner design?
>>
>> I played a bit with Inkscape tonight. The PNG version is included
>> below Jürgen's banner. I have also attached the SVG version.
>
>
> Lenya devs: what are your opinions about the design contest banners?
>
> the green or red/brown design?
BTW, I'm affected by deuteranopia [1], so the colors are more or less a
shot in the dark :) If you like the other aspects of the design, feel
free to change the colors.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteranopia#Dichromacy
-- Andreas
> See here:
> https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jürgen
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Re: Design Contest: Request for Review (was: Docu publication redesign)
Posted by Rudolf Korhummel <ru...@korhummel.de>.
Am 20.05.2009 um 17:07 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>> Hi Andreas
>> Am 20.05.2009 um 14:22 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>> [...]
>>> Shall we postpone the deadline? At the moment it's June 30, maybe
>>> we should set it to mid- or end-July?
>> +1 I would say end of july.
>
> OK, I added one month to all dates.
> From my POV the page is ready to be published and announced.
+1
Rudolf
>
>
>
> @all: Please review the contest page. TIA!
>
> https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
>
> -- Andreas
>
>
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Design Contest: Request for Review (was: Docu publication redesign)
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Hi Andreas
>
> Am 20.05.2009 um 14:22 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>
> [...]
>
>> Shall we postpone the deadline? At the moment it's June 30, maybe we
>> should set it to mid- or end-July?
>
> +1 I would say end of july.
OK, I added one month to all dates.
From my POV the page is ready to be published and announced.
@all: Please review the contest page. TIA!
https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Hi Andreas
Am 20.05.2009 um 14:22 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
[...]
> https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
>
> Shall we postpone the deadline? At the moment it's June 30, maybe we
> should set it to mid- or end-July?
+1 I would say end of july.
Jürgen
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Hi Andres
>
> Am 15.05.2009 um 10:34 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>
> [...]
>
>> Or shall I ask her to change it?
>
> yes, if that's possible
Done:
https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
Shall we postpone the deadline? At the moment it's June 30, maybe we
should set it to mid- or end-July?
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Hi Andres
Am 15.05.2009 um 10:34 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
[...]
> Or shall I ask her to change it?
yes, if that's possible
Thanks
Jürgen
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Hi Jürgen,
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Am 14.05.2009 um 23:46 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>
>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>> Hello Devs
>>> Am 21.04.2009 um 23:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>>>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>> Any news on the banner design?
[…]
> I opt for the design of Your friend.
yes, I think this is the most professional one. The only minor issue is
that it says "Web Design Contest" instead of "Website Design Contest".
Can we live with that? Or shall I ask her to change it? Unfortunately I
don't have an editable version of the banner.
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Good morning everybody
Am 14.05.2009 um 23:46 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>> Hello Devs
>> Am 21.04.2009 um 23:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>>
>>>> Any news on the banner design?
>>>
>>> I played a bit with Inkscape tonight. The PNG version is included
>>> below Jürgen's banner. I have also attached the SVG version.
>> Lenya devs: what are your opinions about the design contest banners?
>
> Any opinions here?
>
>
> Maybe none of the banners meets our high quality requirements :)
I kinda got stuck a bit in the design process - I must confess that
I'm not such a big fan of the logo itself; so my banner designs tend
to move away from it; the result is then somewhat inconsequent. I
agree with you, that the logo should be untouched. Changing it would
be a different story.
I opt for the design of Your friend. But yours would be fine too; the
colours look good there.
Jürgen
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Hello Devs
>
>
> Am 21.04.2009 um 23:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>
>> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>>
>>> Any news on the banner design?
>>
>> I played a bit with Inkscape tonight. The PNG version is included
>> below Jürgen's banner. I have also attached the SVG version.
>
>
> Lenya devs: what are your opinions about the design contest banners?
Any opinions here?
Maybe none of the banners meets our high quality requirements :)
How about publishing the announcement without a banner? Or we just use
Jürgen's version, after all he came up with the idea.
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Hello Devs
Am 21.04.2009 um 23:05 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>
>> Any news on the banner design?
>
> I played a bit with Inkscape tonight. The PNG version is included
> below Jürgen's banner. I have also attached the SVG version.
Lenya devs: what are your opinions about the design contest banners?
the green or red/brown design?
See here:
https://lenya.zones.apache.org/cms/docu/authoring/community/docudesigncontest.html
Thanks!
Jürgen
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Andreas Hartmann <an...@apache.org>.
Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
> Any news on the banner design?
I played a bit with Inkscape tonight. The PNG version is included below
Jürgen's banner. I have also attached the SVG version.
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Re: Docu publication redesign
Posted by Jürgen Ragaller <ra...@apache.org>.
Hi
Sorry for another delay - I am currently under some pressure at work.
And have only limited time for Lenya - I wish I could contribute more.
If things move on to snailish and someone would like to take over the
lead on this one - that would be fine with me.
Am 01.04.2009 um 11:37 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
> Hi Jürgen,
>
> Jürgen Ragaller schrieb:
>> Am 30.03.2009 um 17:04 schrieb Andreas Hartmann:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IMO this is a good idea. Would it be possible to use the
>>>>> standard Lenya logo (incl. the brand name "apache" and the
>>>>> feather)? I think there should be only one version of the logo
>>>>> (the "built with" is a compromise because of the narrow column
>>>>> width).
>>>> You're right. We should use one Lenya logo. What about promoting
>>>> the design contest as an addition to the Logo - see my latest
>>>> suggestion. I got carried away a bit with the previous
>>>> suggestion ;-). Logo-Design is a nice thing...
>>>
>>> I like this one better than the previous one. I'm not sure how
>>> attached you are to your creation
>>> – a friend of mine is a designer and familiar with logos and such
>>> things, shall I ask her if she'd like to make another suggestion?
>> Thats fine I'm open to more suggestions.
>
> alright – I asked her to come up with something until Saturday,
> April 4. I'll go on vacation on Sunday, but I could publish the
> announcements (or send the requests) on/to the sites I mentioned on
> Saturday. The problem is that we don't know yet what the banner will
> look like, so maybe I should rather send the banner to the list and
> let you start with the announcements (with whatever banner you agree
> on).
Any news on the banner design?
Next I'll recreate the bugzilla entry.
>
> BTW, what are your opinions on the "mailing list poster" definition?
>
> "Persons who posted at least one message to any Lenya mailing list
> during the period of one year prior to the start of the contest"
>
> Is this OK for everybody? (I sent another mail some days ago)
+1
Jürgen
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