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Posted to modperl@perl.apache.org by "C.Hauser - IT assistance GmbH" <c....@itassistance.ch> on 2002/01/15 17:25:08 UTC
Re[2]: mod_perl beginners list
I was/am a mod_perl newbie - the basic struggle was not the concept of
mod_perl itself but more the templating systems and reusable codes, the
modules, especially the Apache::*.
After I made a decision on the templating system, I try to address
output relevant questions into the list of the templating system.
On the other hand, as I quit using standard cgi, I want to post
application relevant questions to people using the same environment.
"Which module is better?", "How do you solved this?".
As I'm an experienced Perl programmer I would have chosen the
standard list, not the beginner. This might be different, if I would
have recently started Perl coming from PHP, VBS or nowhere, I would have
choosen mod_perl as it is said to be the serious way to build
stable and professional web services.
So I would mix two problems, the Perl and the Apache (or even DBI)
relevant ones. Maybe it might be OK to have a list for Perl and
mod_perl beginner ... just a thought.
BR Christian
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Date: Dienstag, 15. Januar 2002, 16:32:58
Subject: mod_perl beginners list
I'm very interested in developing a strategy to lower the entry bar to build
mod_perl-based apps. I have done a lot of work to this end and shall be
doing
more. I would love to band together with others to actually deliver
something!
J
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Maunder" <ma...@swiftcamel.com>
To: <mo...@apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: mod_perl beginners list
> Is there any interest in creating a mod_perl beginners list to make the
> technology more accessable? I could dedicate some of my time to supporting
it
> and perhaps we can round up a few other volunteers. I think the content of
the
> main list may intimidate newcomers into not posting 'getting started' type
> questions like 'is there a module that does X?' and compilation issues and
> getting up and running with some basic handlers or registry scripts. I've
> noticed alot of posts on the perl beginners list that should/could have
been
> posted to mod_perl, but may have been considered too newbie.
>
> thoughts?
>
>
>
>
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Re: Re[2]: mod_perl beginners list
Posted by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org>.
At 07:02 PM 01/15/02 +0000, Matt Sergeant wrote:
>> The mod_perl list is fantastic. Maybe because it hasn't had explosive
>> growth (has it?) that has made it such a nice neighborhood.
>
>According to Ask, there are more people on this list than on any other
>perl mailing list period [1].
Well, then, we have such nice neighbors I didn't even notice the
neighborhood change!
>> Getting back to this message: This list is really good with off topic
>> questions, in general. I know there's IRC, but I'd like a list that's more
>> of a pub or cafe-style where mod_perl people hang out. A good place for
>> somewhat OT questions that a mod_perl programmer might have, but might also
>> not be directly mod_perl related. A place to ask "I'm thinking of doing it
>> this way, anyone see a better way before I waste my time on it?" kind of
>> question.
>
>Is there a reason, asside from impedance, that we can't discuss those
>things here? Or do you mean general perl stuff as well as mod_perl? How
>about perlmonks or we could set up a web based bulletin board on
>take23.org if you wanted...
Yes. I always have questions that I would not ask on the list because they
are to OT, but also I know that mod_perl people would have done something
similar. On-line BOF, I guess. OTOH, people might miss out a lot of
useful ideas if there was a separate list.
This is a dangerous statement, so I'll say *my* opinion about perl monks
and other bulletin boards (non-email based lists) is that it's too hard
(for me) to check them. Email lists are great (for me) because I see when
something comes in.
I also know some people love IRC, but it's kind of the same issue for me.
Email lists are the right mix. I don't mind my wife walking in the office
to tell me something once in a while, but having her stand there and talk
all day, well...
>[1] Actually that may have been overtaken now by the perl-beginners list.
Is that a reason to not do a modperl-beginners list? ;)
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Bill Moseley
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Re: Re[2]: mod_perl beginners list
Posted by Thomas Eibner <th...@stderr.net>.
On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 11:03:41AM -0800, brian moseley wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Bill Moseley wrote:
>
> > I know there's IRC, but I'd like a list that's more of a
> > pub or cafe-style where mod_perl people hang out. A
> > good place for somewhat OT questions that a mod_perl
> > programmer might have, but might also not be directly
> > mod_perl related. A place to ask "I'm thinking of doing
> > it this way, anyone see a better way before I waste my
> > time on it?" kind of question.
>
> fwiw, #modperl is actually really good for this.
I second that. It was actually what I thought of when I heard the
description of what Bill wanted. It doesn't get more pub/cafe/casual
style than IRC.
Again: #modperl on irc.rhizomatic.net
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Re: Re[2]: mod_perl beginners list
Posted by Matt Sergeant <ma...@sergeant.org>.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Bill Moseley wrote:
> At 05:25 PM 01/15/02 +0100, C.Hauser - IT assistance GmbH wrote:
> >On the other hand, as I quit using standard cgi, I want to post
> >application relevant questions to people using the same environment.
> >"Which module is better?", "How do you solved this?".
>
> Yes!
>
> The mod_perl list is fantastic. Maybe because it hasn't had explosive
> growth (has it?) that has made it such a nice neighborhood.
According to Ask, there are more people on this list than on any other
perl mailing list period [1].
> I feel newbies are welcome on this list, and deserve help form the
> experts as most of the experts probably can think of great help they
> got when first starting out.
>
> What I think would help is if the ezmlm welcome message offered a mod_perl
> tutorial (or link to one) that should be reviewed before posting:
>
> What mod_perl is, how to build mod_perl, how to run an Apache::Registry
> script, how to make a hello world handler, and how to debug and where (and
> what) to ask on the mod_perl list.
I'd actually like to see more (any?) of these type of things written up,
and mailed to me so they can go on Take23.org. I just haven't seen anyone
wanting to write that stuff. I'd certainly welcome something from an
unknown name, and I'd be willing to edit it and correct any mistakes for
whoever.
> Getting back to this message: This list is really good with off topic
> questions, in general. I know there's IRC, but I'd like a list that's more
> of a pub or cafe-style where mod_perl people hang out. A good place for
> somewhat OT questions that a mod_perl programmer might have, but might also
> not be directly mod_perl related. A place to ask "I'm thinking of doing it
> this way, anyone see a better way before I waste my time on it?" kind of
> question.
>
> Or does such a list already exist?
Is there a reason, asside from impedance, that we can't discuss those
things here? Or do you mean general perl stuff as well as mod_perl? How
about perlmonks or we could set up a web based bulletin board on
take23.org if you wanted...
[1] Actually that may have been overtaken now by the perl-beginners list.
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Re: Re[2]: mod_perl beginners list
Posted by brian moseley <bc...@maz.org>.
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Bill Moseley wrote:
> I know there's IRC, but I'd like a list that's more of a
> pub or cafe-style where mod_perl people hang out. A
> good place for somewhat OT questions that a mod_perl
> programmer might have, but might also not be directly
> mod_perl related. A place to ask "I'm thinking of doing
> it this way, anyone see a better way before I waste my
> time on it?" kind of question.
fwiw, #modperl is actually really good for this.
Re: Re[2]: mod_perl beginners list
Posted by Bill Moseley <mo...@hank.org>.
At 05:25 PM 01/15/02 +0100, C.Hauser - IT assistance GmbH wrote:
>On the other hand, as I quit using standard cgi, I want to post
>application relevant questions to people using the same environment.
>"Which module is better?", "How do you solved this?".
Yes!
The mod_perl list is fantastic. Maybe because it hasn't had explosive
growth (has it?) that has made it such a nice neighborhood.
I feel newbies are welcome on this list, and deserve help form the experts
as most of the experts probably can think of great help they got when first
starting out.
What I think would help is if the ezmlm welcome message offered a mod_perl
tutorial (or link to one) that should be reviewed before posting:
What mod_perl is, how to build mod_perl, how to run an Apache::Registry
script, how to make a hello world handler, and how to debug and where (and
what) to ask on the mod_perl list.
Getting back to this message: This list is really good with off topic
questions, in general. I know there's IRC, but I'd like a list that's more
of a pub or cafe-style where mod_perl people hang out. A good place for
somewhat OT questions that a mod_perl programmer might have, but might also
not be directly mod_perl related. A place to ask "I'm thinking of doing it
this way, anyone see a better way before I waste my time on it?" kind of
question.
Or does such a list already exist?
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Bill Moseley
mailto:moseley@hank.org