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Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Hello,
I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections
welcome, right now or after the commit)
cheers
$ svn diff
Index: content/guides/graduation.xml
===================================================================
--- content/guides/graduation.xml (revision 1457669)
+++ content/guides/graduation.xml (working copy)
@@ -285,6 +285,33 @@
and some common-sense hints for
<a
href="http://apache.org/dev/project-names.html">Choosing names for ASF
projects</a>.
</p>
+ <p>
+ Before a podling can graduate, a "podling
suitable names search" must be done. For this, please open
+ a JIRA request in the <a
href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH">Podling
Suitable Names Searc JIRA space</a>. They should look like:
+
+ <ul>
+ <li><a
href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-26">Apache
Open Climate Workbench</a></li>
+ <li><a
href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-27">Apache
Onami</a></li>
+ </ul>
+ </p>
+ <p>
+ Please consider to research at least the following sources:
+ <ul>
+ <li>GitHub</li>
+ <li>SourceForge.net</li>
+ <li>Google Code</li>
+ <li>Ohloh</li>
+ <li><a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov">USPTO</a></li>
+ <li>Google, Bing, Yahoo</li>
+ <li><a
href="http://www.trademarkia.com">Trademarkia</a></li>
+ </ul>
+ </p>
+ <p>
+ Note all results in the according JIRA issues.
When done, inform trademarks @ apache.org that you have finished your
research. Please wait, until the trademarks team has interpreted your
findings and theV.P. Branding approves your request. Trademark
acceptance is not decided by lazy consens.
+ </p>
+ <p>
+ Onces the name is approved, you can resolve the
JIRA issue and update your status page.
+ </p>
</section>
<section id='releases'>
Index: content/projects/incubation-status-template.xml
===================================================================
--- content/projects/incubation-status-template.xml (revision 1457669)
+++ content/projects/incubation-status-template.xml (working copy)
@@ -158,9 +158,8 @@
</tr>
<tr>
<td>....-..-..</td>
- <td>Make sure that the requested project name does not
already exist and
- check www.nameprotect.com to be sure that the name
is not already
- trademarked for an existing software product.</td>
+ <td>Make sure that the requested project name does not
already exis. <a
href="http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#notes-names">Please
follow
+ the guide to ensure a suitable project/product name.</a></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>....-..-..</td>
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
In short: I think your text is good but belong on
www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ rather than on the incubator docs.
I'll reply on private lists with more detail
Christian Grobmeier wrote on Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 16:40:49 +0100:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
> >> > And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS
> >> > process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/,
> >> > but that might be an issue for another patch.
> >>
> >> Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the
> >> incubator docs first.
> >> As long as it is not named "NAMESEARCH" only I think it belongs to the
> >> incubator.
> >
> > If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have
> > been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it.
>
> afaik Apache Steve didn't go through the incubator, right?
>
> Probably thats why they didn't do a name search:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
>
> I do not know if there is a policy for non-incubating
> projects/products to do a podlingnamesearch. If there is one, it makes
> certainly sense to rename the PODLINGNAMESEARCH into NAMESEARCH, move
> my docs out to a better place (trademarks) and communicate the policy
> to the projects (I didn't know much about podlingnamesearch until last
> week - I know a few people who all thought it would be a "lazy
> consensus" thing).
>
> That said, this is something which needs to be discussed on
> trademarks. And it will take some time for which i do not have the
> cycles right now.
>
> My goal is to document what i have learned now in the hope it is of
> help to other podlings which need this information.
>
> Are you fine with my commit or do you first want to start discussing
> at trademarks?
>
> Cheers
> Christian
>
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>> > And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS
>> > process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/,
>> > but that might be an issue for another patch.
>>
>> Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the
>> incubator docs first.
>> As long as it is not named "NAMESEARCH" only I think it belongs to the
>> incubator.
>
> If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have
> been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it.
afaik Apache Steve didn't go through the incubator, right?
Probably thats why they didn't do a name search:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20PODLINGNAMESEARCH
I do not know if there is a policy for non-incubating
projects/products to do a podlingnamesearch. If there is one, it makes
certainly sense to rename the PODLINGNAMESEARCH into NAMESEARCH, move
my docs out to a better place (trademarks) and communicate the policy
to the projects (I didn't know much about podlingnamesearch until last
week - I know a few people who all thought it would be a "lazy
consensus" thing).
That said, this is something which needs to be discussed on
trademarks. And it will take some time for which i do not have the
cycles right now.
My goal is to document what i have learned now in the hope it is of
help to other podlings which need this information.
Are you fine with my commit or do you first want to start discussing
at trademarks?
Cheers
Christian
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> > Daniel Shahaf wrote:
> >
> > >> + <li>GitHub</li>
> > >> + <li>SourceForge.net</li>
> > >> + <li>Google Code</li>
> > >> + <li>Ohloh</li>
> > >> + <li><a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov">USPTO</a></li>
> > >> + <li>Google, Bing, Yahoo</li>
> > >> + <li><a
> > >> href="http://www.trademarkia.com">Trademarkia</a></li>
> > >
> > > Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page?
> > > If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should
> > > be exactly one canonical location for such info.)
> >
> > I didn't find one,
>
> /me surprised
Yes there was already documentation.
See http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html
Some of the discussions that devised the process:
http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-1
Subject: Trademark Kill Searches...
Date: 2011-10-25
http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-2
Subject: Suitable Names Search [WAS Re: Trademark Kill Searches...]
Date: 2011-11-09
http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-3
Subject: [Podling Suitable Name Search] Feedback Please
Date: 2011-11-22
http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-4
Subject: [POLL] Suitable Name Search: Drop Or Retain?
Date: 2011-11-29
http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-5
Subject: Help Wanted: Improved Podling Name Search Documentation
Date: 2012-01-15
http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-6
Subject: [names] Public Review
Date: 2012-01-29
http://s.apache.org/suitable-names-search-7
Subject: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Date: 2013-03-18
-David
> > thats why I took the time and worked on this docs.
> > I extracted the information from the old Jira issues.
>
> Thanks.
>
> > > And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS
> > > process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/,
> > > but that might be an issue for another patch.
> >
> > Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the
> > incubator docs first.
> > As long as it is not named "NAMESEARCH" only I think it belongs to the
> > incubator.
>
> If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have
> been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it.
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Christian Grobmeier wrote on Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 14:00:52 +0100:
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>
> >> + <li>GitHub</li>
> >> + <li>SourceForge.net</li>
> >> + <li>Google Code</li>
> >> + <li>Ohloh</li>
> >> + <li><a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov">USPTO</a></li>
> >> + <li>Google, Bing, Yahoo</li>
> >> + <li><a
> >> href="http://www.trademarkia.com">Trademarkia</a></li>
> >
> > Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page?
> > If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should
> > be exactly one canonical location for such info.)
>
> I didn't find one,
/me surprised
> thats why I took the time and worked on this docs.
> I extracted the information from the old Jira issues.
>
Thanks.
> > And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS
> > process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/,
> > but that might be an issue for another patch.
>
> Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the
> incubator docs first.
> As long as it is not named "NAMESEARCH" only I think it belongs to the
> incubator.
If you have a semantic argument (eg: why shouldn't Apache Steve have
been expected to run a name search at some point) I'll be glad to hear it.
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name> wrote:
>> + <li>GitHub</li>
>> + <li>SourceForge.net</li>
>> + <li>Google Code</li>
>> + <li>Ohloh</li>
>> + <li><a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov">USPTO</a></li>
>> + <li>Google, Bing, Yahoo</li>
>> + <li><a
>> href="http://www.trademarkia.com">Trademarkia</a></li>
>
> Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page?
> If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should
> be exactly one canonical location for such info.)
I didn't find one, thats why I took the time and worked on this docs.
I extracted the information from the old Jira issues.
> And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS
> process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/,
> but that might be an issue for another patch.
Its PODLING name search. Because of this name I was looking in the
incubator docs first.
As long as it is not named "NAMESEARCH" only I think it belongs to the
incubator.
>> + Note all results in the according JIRA issues.
>> When done, inform trademarks @ apache.org that you have finished your
>> research. Please wait, until the trademarks team has interpreted your
>> findings and theV.P. Branding approves your request. Trademark
>
> It's important that the jira records only facts and not interpretations
> of them. That's one of the reasons you should avoid re-describing the
> process, and should instead just link to wherever it's already
> documented at.
Which is where?
I did this work because I cannot find the docs, not just because i
have fun doing it.
You could also provide a better wording if you are not happy with what I did.
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
[ NOTE, crossposted public/private lists ]
Christian Grobmeier wrote on Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 09:43:46 +0100:
> Hello,
>
> I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections
> welcome, right now or after the commit)
>
> cheers
>
>
> $ svn diff
> Index: content/guides/graduation.xml
> ===================================================================
> --- content/guides/graduation.xml (revision 1457669)
> +++ content/guides/graduation.xml (working copy)
> @@ -285,6 +285,33 @@
> and some common-sense hints for
> <a
> href="http://apache.org/dev/project-names.html">Choosing names for ASF
> projects</a>.
> </p>
> + <p>
> + Before a podling can graduate, a "podling
> suitable names search" must be done. For this, please open
> + a JIRA request in the <a
> href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH">Podling
> Suitable Names Searc JIRA space</a>. They should look like:
Search
> +
> + <ul>
> + <li><a
> href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-26">Apache
> Open Climate Workbench</a></li>
> + <li><a
> href="https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-27">Apache
> Onami</a></li>
> + </ul>
> + </p>
> + <p>
> + Please consider to research at least the following sources:
> + <ul>
> + <li>GitHub</li>
> + <li>SourceForge.net</li>
> + <li>Google Code</li>
> + <li>Ohloh</li>
> + <li><a href="http://tsdr.uspto.gov">USPTO</a></li>
> + <li>Google, Bing, Yahoo</li>
> + <li><a
> href="http://www.trademarkia.com">Trademarkia</a></li>
Errr. Isn't this list of resources already available on another page?
If so please just point to it, rather than duplicate it. (There should
be exactly one canonical location for such info.)
And BTW infra experience tells me info about execuding the PNS
process (PODLINGNAMESEARCH) should live on www.a.o/foundation/marks/,
but that might be an issue for another patch.
> + </ul>
> + </p>
> + <p>
> + Note all results in the according JIRA issues.
> When done, inform trademarks @ apache.org that you have finished your
> research. Please wait, until the trademarks team has interpreted your
> findings and theV.P. Branding approves your request. Trademark
It's important that the jira records only facts and not interpretations
of them. That's one of the reasons you should avoid re-describing the
process, and should instead just link to wherever it's already
documented at.
Also, missing space. Next time consider running a spellchecker.
> acceptance is not decided by lazy consens.
consensus
> + </p>
> + <p>
> + Onces the name is approved, you can resolve the
Once
> JIRA issue and update your status page.
> + </p>
> </section>
>
> <section id='releases'>
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Bertrand,
if fixed that (locally)
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Christian,
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections
>> welcome, right now or after the commit)...
>
> I like it, just a nitpick: I'd say "Good examples are" instead of
> "they should look like".
>
> -Bertrand
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Re: Proposal for better docs on trademark research (Incubator)
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Christian,
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM, Christian Grobmeier
<gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...I would like to commit that. Any objections? (spelling corrections
> welcome, right now or after the commit)...
I like it, just a nitpick: I'd say "Good examples are" instead of
"they should look like".
-Bertrand
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