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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> on 2012/10/19 10:22:44 UTC
[WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Hi,
yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation
of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a
good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined
structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in
this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have
in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it
makes sense at all.
1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
pages.
.../index.hmtl
.../de/index.html
.../it/index.html
...
.../press/msg_20121019.html
.../de/press/msg_20121019.html
.../it/press/msg_20121019.html
...
Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This
makes it easy to find the related translation for any files.
We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the
future.
2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further
news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events.
But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local
community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is
to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user
portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on
openoffice.apache.org or the wiki.
I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but
I am interested to hear others opinion.
Regards
Juergen
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 19/10/2012 Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
> pages.
> .../press/msg_20121019.html
> .../de/press/msg_20121019.html
> .../it/press/msg_20121019.html
> Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
> directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated.
This may work for News and announcements, even if often, in that case,
the English announcement is posted on the ASF blog, so outside the
openoffice.org domain.
For the whole structure, this is easy only for NL sites that we will be
rebuilding from scratch, but for other sites we can start to harmonize
paths at least for announcements.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi,
>
> yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation
> of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a
> good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined
> structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in
> this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have
> in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it
> makes sense at all.
>
> 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
> pages.
>
> .../index.hmtl
> .../de/index.html
> .../it/index.html
> ...
> .../press/msg_20121019.html
> .../de/press/msg_20121019.html
> .../it/press/msg_20121019.html
> ...
>
> Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
> directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This
> makes it easy to find the related translation for any files.
>
> We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the
> future.
>
Definitely good ideas. A defined structure for all areas would be very
useful. Do we need to start a wiki page to further elaborate, or should we
just go ahead with the press area for now? Opinions?
> 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further
> news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events.
> But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local
> community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is
> to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user
> portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on
> openoffice.apache.org or the wiki.
>
> I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but
> I am interested to hear others opinion.
>
> Regards
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
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dealt with a cat."
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Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
If pootle used SVN, you would at least have it in SVN automatically :-)
jan.
On 19 October 2012 13:51, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation
> > of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a
> > good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined
> > structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in
> > this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have
> > in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it
> > makes sense at all.
> >
> > 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
> > pages.
> >
> > .../index.hmtl
> > .../de/index.html
> > .../it/index.html
> > ...
> > .../press/msg_20121019.html
> > .../de/press/msg_20121019.html
> > .../it/press/msg_20121019.html
> > ...
> >
> > Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
> > directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This
> > makes it easy to find the related translation for any files.
> >
> > We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the
> > future.
> >
> > 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further
> > news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events.
> > But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local
> > community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is
> > to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user
> > portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on
> > openoffice.apache.org or the wiki.
> >
> > I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but
> > I am interested to hear others opinion.
> >
>
> This has certainly been discussed: enforce the same template for NL
> pages, same look and feel, same base content. But then have a portion
> of the page be reserved for locale-specific concerns. For example,
> the Arabic page has a link to Bidi specific issue. Or you might have
> a locale event or news story.
>
> We almost do this today for some languages, but this was based on a
> one-time copy of the English website. Once the copy is made the sites
> diverge over time. Truly using a single template, with strings
> resourced in Pootle, would be ideal.
>
> But do you see us integrating with Pootle in a way that allows us to
> update a webpage without requiring manual steps to extract Pootle
> resources and bring them into SVN and converted to HTML? This would
> really need to be automated to work for us.
>
> -Rob
> > Regards
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> >
>
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation
> of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a
> good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined
> structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in
> this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have
> in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it
> makes sense at all.
>
> 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
> pages.
>
> .../index.hmtl
> .../de/index.html
> .../it/index.html
> ...
> .../press/msg_20121019.html
> .../de/press/msg_20121019.html
> .../it/press/msg_20121019.html
> ...
>
> Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
> directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This
> makes it easy to find the related translation for any files.
>
> We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the
> future.
>
> 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further
> news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events.
> But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local
> community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is
> to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user
> portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on
> openoffice.apache.org or the wiki.
>
> I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but
> I am interested to hear others opinion.
>
This has certainly been discussed: enforce the same template for NL
pages, same look and feel, same base content. But then have a portion
of the page be reserved for locale-specific concerns. For example,
the Arabic page has a link to Bidi specific issue. Or you might have
a locale event or news story.
We almost do this today for some languages, but this was based on a
one-time copy of the English website. Once the copy is made the sites
diverge over time. Truly using a single template, with strings
resourced in Pootle, would be ideal.
But do you see us integrating with Pootle in a way that allows us to
update a webpage without requiring manual steps to extract Pootle
resources and bring them into SVN and converted to HTML? This would
really need to be automated to work for us.
-Rob
> Regards
>
> Juergen
>
>
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Posted by "Marcus (OOo)" <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 10/19/2012 10:26 AM, schrieb jan iversen:
> It would be a good idea to have the same structure and then one directory
> with country special parts...as you say it makes it easier to maintain, and
> with the extra directory nobody is limited.
I support this idea.
When we extent this also for the translated release notes like:
.../rn/release_notea_aoo341.html
.../de//rn/release_notea_aoo341.html
.../it//rn/release_notea_aoo341.html
then we can change the already existing link on the download website,
from the now English only release notes to the language-related notes.
Would be a nice additonal service for our users.
> On 19 October 2012 10:22, Jürgen Schmidt<jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation
>> of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a
>> good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined
>> structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in
>> this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have
>> in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it
>> makes sense at all.
>>
>> 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
>> pages.
>>
>> .../index.hmtl
>> .../de/index.html
>> .../it/index.html
>> ...
>> .../press/msg_20121019.html
>> .../de/press/msg_20121019.html
>> .../it/press/msg_20121019.html
>> ...
>>
>> Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
>> directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This
>> makes it easy to find the related translation for any files.
>>
>> We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the
>> future.
>>
>> 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further
>> news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events.
>> But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local
>> community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is
>> to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user
>> portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on
>> openoffice.apache.org or the wiki.
>>
>> I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but
>> I am interested to hear others opinion.
Simply +1, with the addition from above.
Marcus
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 10/19/12 10:26 AM, jan iversen wrote:
> It would be a good idea to have the same structure and then one directory
> with country special parts...as you say it makes it easier to maintain, and
> with the extra directory nobody is limited.
And I forgot to mention that I would move all existing content that we
really want preserve in a backup area not directly linked but available.
But new users coming to the page should find a clear page to get
information about the product, the download, documentation and help and
finally and very important how to participate in the project ;-)
Juergen
>
> jan
>
> On 19 October 2012 10:22, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation
>> of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a
>> good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined
>> structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in
>> this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have
>> in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it
>> makes sense at all.
>>
>> 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
>> pages.
>>
>> .../index.hmtl
>> .../de/index.html
>> .../it/index.html
>> ...
>> .../press/msg_20121019.html
>> .../de/press/msg_20121019.html
>> .../it/press/msg_20121019.html
>> ...
>>
>> Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
>> directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This
>> makes it easy to find the related translation for any files.
>>
>> We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the
>> future.
>>
>> 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further
>> news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events.
>> But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local
>> community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is
>> to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user
>> portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on
>> openoffice.apache.org or the wiki.
>>
>> I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but
>> I am interested to hear others opinion.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [WWW]: shared ideas and looking for feedback
Posted by jan iversen <ja...@gmail.com>.
It would be a good idea to have the same structure and then one directory
with country special parts...as you say it makes it easier to maintain, and
with the extra directory nobody is limited.
jan
On 19 October 2012 10:22, Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> yesterday I had problems to find a good place for the German translation
> of the graduation press release. And I thought that it is probably a
> good idea to cleanup the whole page with a clear and well defined
> structure. I know that there is work ongoing and that we move already in
> this direction. But nevertheless I would like to share the things I have
> in mind to check if it is aligned with the already ongoing work or if it
> makes sense at all.
>
> 1. a clear structure for the English content as well as the translated
> pages.
>
> .../index.hmtl
> .../de/index.html
> .../it/index.html
> ...
> .../press/msg_20121019.html
> .../de/press/msg_20121019.html
> .../it/press/msg_20121019.html
> ...
>
> Means we have for all pages a translated version in the related sub
> directory. Same path and same name only the content is translated. This
> makes it easy to find the related translation for any files.
>
> We can also use Pootle to do the translation of the web content in the
> future.
>
> 2. we have special news areas where local communities can spread further
> news relevant to their local activities, e.g. local conferences, events.
> But in general we have the same content on all pages. Other local
> community relevant content should be moved in the wiki. The main idea is
> to have a smaller but cleaner and well structured and organized user
> portal www.openoffice.org. Community internal things should be move on
> openoffice.apache.org or the wiki.
>
> I know it is not really new and it is probably more to remind myself but
> I am interested to hear others opinion.
>
> Regards
>
> Juergen
>
>
>