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Posted to muse-user@ws.apache.org by Nelson Kotowski <nk...@gmail.com> on 2007/08/20 18:03:14 UTC
New to Muse - Concepts
Hello everyone,
I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that applications may be
developed using J2EE or OGSi.
I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP oriented
applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE purely,
along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other libraries?
I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a newbie
question :)
Best Regards,
Nelson P K Filho.
Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca>.
If you want to use it in J2SE then you need to create it as OSGi. (which uses
Axis2)
Take a look at http://ws.apache.org/muse/docs/2.2.0/tutorial/index.html and
follow the links that say OSGi.
But it will not be a pure J2SE application as it will running inside the
OSGi platform.
Nelson Kotowski wrote:
>
> Hi Solomon,
>
> Thanks for answering.
>
> You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
> resource?
> That would be what i was looking for.
>
> Best regards,
> Nelson Kotowski.
>
>
> On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
>> application,
>> you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server (Axis2
>> or
>> Mini), or OSGi platform.
>>
>> The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
>> endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over J2SE
>> you
>> will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
>> Equinox's HTTP Server).
>>
>>
>> Nelson Kotowski wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello everyone,
>> >
>> > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that applications may
>> be
>> > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
>> >
>> > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP oriented
>> > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE purely,
>> > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other libraries?
>> >
>> > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a newbie
>> > question :)
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Nelson P K Filho.
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Nelson Kotowski <nk...@gmail.com>.
Great Dan,
That's it then. Tomcat/Axis2 is the way :)
Thank you very much for the help.
By the way, have you managed to develop any WSRF-compliant service in Muse?
I'm going to try to start a new one, and some impressions could be very
helpful (Here i am again bothering you...)
Kind regards,
Nelson Kotowski.
On 8/21/07, Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've always used Tomcat5.0/Axis2 as my primary dev/test environment for
> Muse, so you could say that Muse works best in that environment. :) Of
> course, we have also done a lot of work for OSGi support in the last three
> releases, and you should find that to be comparable as far as level of
> quality/robustness; your decision comes down to which environment (Tomcat
> vs. OSGi) is most comfortable for you.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> "Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 03:09:19 PM:
>
> > As a matter of fact, i just came from executing OGSA-DAI WSI/WSRF
> tutorial,
> > which makes use of Tomcat/Axis, among other things :)
> >
> > Now, i was trying to find a way to develop WSRF-compliant grid services,
> > without using proprietary grid middleware (such as Globus Toolkit,
> > Websphere, etc). On OGSA site i found out about Apache Muse.
> >
> > If i had a way to develop a WSRF-compliant grid service with Tomcat +
> Axis +
> > Muse + J2SE, that would be great.
> >
> > From what i could gather from Bogdan and you, Dan, it would be possible
> to
> > do so via that bundle, correct?
> >
> > It's just that it is quite hard to find out material/reviews from people
> who
> > developed a WSRF-compliant without GT4, Websphere, etc. They are quite
> great
> > in what they stand for, but right now i am not allowed to use them.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > NPKF.
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/07, Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you go down that route, you're going to end up rewriting an HTTP
> > > server/app container yourself... which is probably not something you
> want
> > > to take on. If you're concerned about footprint, try Tomcat 5.0's
> embedded
> > > server - it's quite small (even smaller than the Axis2 + Muse bundle
> > > you're
> > > going to put on top of it). After stripping out the stuff I didn't
> want,
> > > I've gotten embedded Tomcat 5 down to 5 MB. Axis2 is ~10 MB, Muse adds
> > > ~1.5
> > > MB. If you use our mini SOAP engine, you can lose the Axis2 footprint
> as
> > > well.
> > >
> > > If footprint is not your concern, though, you're best off going with a
> > > simple Tomcat/Axis2 install...
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 02:42:09
> PM:
> > >
> > > > Hi Solomon,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for answering.
> > > >
> > > > You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
> > > resource?
> > > > That would be what i was looking for.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Nelson Kotowski.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
> > > application,
> > > > > you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server
> > > (Axis2
> > > or
> > > > > Mini), or OSGi platform.
> > > > >
> > > > > The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web
> service
> > > > > endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over
> > > J2SE
> > > > > you
> > > > > will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses
> Eclipse
> > > > > Equinox's HTTP Server).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that
> applications
> > > may
> > > > > be
> > > > > > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP
> oriented
> > > > > > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE
> > > purely,
> > > > > > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other
> libraries?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a
> > > newbie
> > > > > > question :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > Nelson P K Filho.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > View this message in context:
> > > > >
> http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
> > > > > Sent from the Muse User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Nelson Kotowski <nk...@gmail.com>.
Ok, i think i got it.
Thanks for everyone, for all your help, it was great :)
Kind regards,
Nelson Kotowski.
On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
>
>
> As Dan said you can use Tomcat with Axis2. You can also use Apache
> Geronimo
> if you want to use a J2EE non proprietary server. I did a test a bit of
> time
> ago creating a Muse resource on Geronimo and it went pretty well (just the
> usual classloader headaches).
>
> Basically there are 2 general paths of development you can use
>
> Tomcat + Axis2 + Muse (replace Tomcat with any J2EE server, but it's the
> same thing). I normally consider Tomcat to be J2EE as it offers a servlet
> container.
>
> or
>
> OSGi + Axis2 + Muse.
>
>
> Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> >
> > As a matter of fact, i just came from executing OGSA-DAI WSI/WSRF
> > tutorial,
> > which makes use of Tomcat/Axis, among other things :)
> >
> > Now, i was trying to find a way to develop WSRF-compliant grid services,
> > without using proprietary grid middleware (such as Globus Toolkit,
> > Websphere, etc). On OGSA site i found out about Apache Muse.
> >
> > If i had a way to develop a WSRF-compliant grid service with Tomcat +
> Axis
> > +
> > Muse + J2SE, that would be great.
> >
> > From what i could gather from Bogdan and you, Dan, it would be possible
> to
> > do so via that bundle, correct?
> >
> > It's just that it is quite hard to find out material/reviews from people
> > who
> > developed a WSRF-compliant without GT4, Websphere, etc. They are quite
> > great
> > in what they stand for, but right now i am not allowed to use them.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > NPKF.
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/07, Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If you go down that route, you're going to end up rewriting an HTTP
> >> server/app container yourself... which is probably not something you
> want
> >> to take on. If you're concerned about footprint, try Tomcat 5.0's
> >> embedded
> >> server - it's quite small (even smaller than the Axis2 + Muse bundle
> >> you're
> >> going to put on top of it). After stripping out the stuff I didn't
> want,
> >> I've gotten embedded Tomcat 5 down to 5 MB. Axis2 is ~10 MB, Muse adds
> >> ~1.5
> >> MB. If you use our mini SOAP engine, you can lose the Axis2 footprint
> as
> >> well.
> >>
> >> If footprint is not your concern, though, you're best off going with a
> >> simple Tomcat/Axis2 install...
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 02:42:09
> PM:
> >>
> >> > Hi Solomon,
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for answering.
> >> >
> >> > You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
> >> resource?
> >> > That would be what i was looking for.
> >> >
> >> > Best regards,
> >> > Nelson Kotowski.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
> >> application,
> >> > > you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server
> >> (Axis2
> >> or
> >> > > Mini), or OSGi platform.
> >> > >
> >> > > The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
> >> > > endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over
> >> J2SE
> >> > > you
> >> > > will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
> >> > > Equinox's HTTP Server).
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hello everyone,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that
> applications
> >> may
> >> > > be
> >> > > > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP
> oriented
> >> > > > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE
> >> purely,
> >> > > > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other
> libraries?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a
> >> newbie
> >> > > > question :)
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best Regards,
> >> > > > Nelson P K Filho.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > View this message in context:
> >> > >
> http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
> >> > > Sent from the Muse User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > >
> >
> >
>
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Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca>.
As Dan said you can use Tomcat with Axis2. You can also use Apache Geronimo
if you want to use a J2EE non proprietary server. I did a test a bit of time
ago creating a Muse resource on Geronimo and it went pretty well (just the
usual classloader headaches).
Basically there are 2 general paths of development you can use
Tomcat + Axis2 + Muse (replace Tomcat with any J2EE server, but it's the
same thing). I normally consider Tomcat to be J2EE as it offers a servlet
container.
or
OSGi + Axis2 + Muse.
Nelson Kotowski wrote:
>
> As a matter of fact, i just came from executing OGSA-DAI WSI/WSRF
> tutorial,
> which makes use of Tomcat/Axis, among other things :)
>
> Now, i was trying to find a way to develop WSRF-compliant grid services,
> without using proprietary grid middleware (such as Globus Toolkit,
> Websphere, etc). On OGSA site i found out about Apache Muse.
>
> If i had a way to develop a WSRF-compliant grid service with Tomcat + Axis
> +
> Muse + J2SE, that would be great.
>
> From what i could gather from Bogdan and you, Dan, it would be possible to
> do so via that bundle, correct?
>
> It's just that it is quite hard to find out material/reviews from people
> who
> developed a WSRF-compliant without GT4, Websphere, etc. They are quite
> great
> in what they stand for, but right now i am not allowed to use them.
>
> Best regards,
> NPKF.
>
>
> On 8/21/07, Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> If you go down that route, you're going to end up rewriting an HTTP
>> server/app container yourself... which is probably not something you want
>> to take on. If you're concerned about footprint, try Tomcat 5.0's
>> embedded
>> server - it's quite small (even smaller than the Axis2 + Muse bundle
>> you're
>> going to put on top of it). After stripping out the stuff I didn't want,
>> I've gotten embedded Tomcat 5 down to 5 MB. Axis2 is ~10 MB, Muse adds
>> ~1.5
>> MB. If you use our mini SOAP engine, you can lose the Axis2 footprint as
>> well.
>>
>> If footprint is not your concern, though, you're best off going with a
>> simple Tomcat/Axis2 install...
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> "Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 02:42:09 PM:
>>
>> > Hi Solomon,
>> >
>> > Thanks for answering.
>> >
>> > You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
>> resource?
>> > That would be what i was looking for.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Nelson Kotowski.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
>> application,
>> > > you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server
>> (Axis2
>> or
>> > > Mini), or OSGi platform.
>> > >
>> > > The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
>> > > endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over
>> J2SE
>> > > you
>> > > will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
>> > > Equinox's HTTP Server).
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Nelson Kotowski wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hello everyone,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that applications
>> may
>> > > be
>> > > > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
>> > > >
>> > > > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP oriented
>> > > > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE
>> purely,
>> > > > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other libraries?
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a
>> newbie
>> > > > question :)
>> > > >
>> > > > Best Regards,
>> > > > Nelson P K Filho.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > View this message in context:
>> > > http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
>> > > Sent from the Muse User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> > >
>> > >
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RE: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by "Vinh Nguyen (vinguye2)" <vi...@cisco.com>.
As an added note, if you use Tomcat at the minimum, then you really are
using J2EE. So it's not a pure J2SE app. As Bogdan pointed out, in
Muse, the web service endpoints communicate via HTTP, which is a J2EE
component.
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Jemiolo [mailto:danjemiolo@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:14 PM
To: muse-user@ws.apache.org
Subject: Re: New to Muse - Concepts
I've always used Tomcat5.0/Axis2 as my primary dev/test environment for
Muse, so you could say that Muse works best in that environment. :) Of
course, we have also done a lot of work for OSGi support in the last
three releases, and you should find that to be comparable as far as
level of quality/robustness; your decision comes down to which
environment (Tomcat vs. OSGi) is most comfortable for you.
Dan
"Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 03:09:19 PM:
> As a matter of fact, i just came from executing OGSA-DAI WSI/WSRF
tutorial,
> which makes use of Tomcat/Axis, among other things :)
>
> Now, i was trying to find a way to develop WSRF-compliant grid
> services, without using proprietary grid middleware (such as Globus
> Toolkit, Websphere, etc). On OGSA site i found out about Apache Muse.
>
> If i had a way to develop a WSRF-compliant grid service with Tomcat +
Axis +
> Muse + J2SE, that would be great.
>
> From what i could gather from Bogdan and you, Dan, it would be
> possible
to
> do so via that bundle, correct?
>
> It's just that it is quite hard to find out material/reviews from
> people
who
> developed a WSRF-compliant without GT4, Websphere, etc. They are quite
great
> in what they stand for, but right now i am not allowed to use them.
>
> Best regards,
> NPKF.
>
>
> On 8/21/07, Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > If you go down that route, you're going to end up rewriting an HTTP
> > server/app container yourself... which is probably not something you
want
> > to take on. If you're concerned about footprint, try Tomcat 5.0's
embedded
> > server - it's quite small (even smaller than the Axis2 + Muse bundle
> > you're going to put on top of it). After stripping out the stuff I
> > didn't
want,
> > I've gotten embedded Tomcat 5 down to 5 MB. Axis2 is ~10 MB, Muse
> > adds
> > ~1.5
> > MB. If you use our mini SOAP engine, you can lose the Axis2
> > footprint
as
> > well.
> >
> > If footprint is not your concern, though, you're best off going with
> > a simple Tomcat/Axis2 install...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 02:42:09
PM:
> >
> > > Hi Solomon,
> > >
> > > Thanks for answering.
> > >
> > > You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
> > resource?
> > > That would be what i was looking for.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Nelson Kotowski.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
> > application,
> > > > you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server
> > (Axis2
> > or
> > > > Mini), or OSGi platform.
> > > >
> > > > The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web
> > > > service endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi
> > > > deployment over
> > J2SE
> > > > you
> > > > will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses
> > > > Eclipse Equinox's HTTP Server).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that
applications
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP
oriented
> > > > > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using
> > > > > J2SE
> > purely,
> > > > > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other
libraries?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's
> > > > > a
> > newbie
> > > > > question :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Nelson P K Filho.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > View this message in context:
> > > >
http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
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> > > >
> > > >
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Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com>.
I've always used Tomcat5.0/Axis2 as my primary dev/test environment for
Muse, so you could say that Muse works best in that environment. :) Of
course, we have also done a lot of work for OSGi support in the last three
releases, and you should find that to be comparable as far as level of
quality/robustness; your decision comes down to which environment (Tomcat
vs. OSGi) is most comfortable for you.
Dan
"Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 03:09:19 PM:
> As a matter of fact, i just came from executing OGSA-DAI WSI/WSRF
tutorial,
> which makes use of Tomcat/Axis, among other things :)
>
> Now, i was trying to find a way to develop WSRF-compliant grid services,
> without using proprietary grid middleware (such as Globus Toolkit,
> Websphere, etc). On OGSA site i found out about Apache Muse.
>
> If i had a way to develop a WSRF-compliant grid service with Tomcat +
Axis +
> Muse + J2SE, that would be great.
>
> From what i could gather from Bogdan and you, Dan, it would be possible
to
> do so via that bundle, correct?
>
> It's just that it is quite hard to find out material/reviews from people
who
> developed a WSRF-compliant without GT4, Websphere, etc. They are quite
great
> in what they stand for, but right now i am not allowed to use them.
>
> Best regards,
> NPKF.
>
>
> On 8/21/07, Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > If you go down that route, you're going to end up rewriting an HTTP
> > server/app container yourself... which is probably not something you
want
> > to take on. If you're concerned about footprint, try Tomcat 5.0's
embedded
> > server - it's quite small (even smaller than the Axis2 + Muse bundle
> > you're
> > going to put on top of it). After stripping out the stuff I didn't
want,
> > I've gotten embedded Tomcat 5 down to 5 MB. Axis2 is ~10 MB, Muse adds
> > ~1.5
> > MB. If you use our mini SOAP engine, you can lose the Axis2 footprint
as
> > well.
> >
> > If footprint is not your concern, though, you're best off going with a
> > simple Tomcat/Axis2 install...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 02:42:09
PM:
> >
> > > Hi Solomon,
> > >
> > > Thanks for answering.
> > >
> > > You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
> > resource?
> > > That would be what i was looking for.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Nelson Kotowski.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
> > application,
> > > > you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server
> > (Axis2
> > or
> > > > Mini), or OSGi platform.
> > > >
> > > > The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
> > > > endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over
> > J2SE
> > > > you
> > > > will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
> > > > Equinox's HTTP Server).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that
applications
> > may
> > > > be
> > > > > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP
oriented
> > > > > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE
> > purely,
> > > > > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other
libraries?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a
> > newbie
> > > > > question :)
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Nelson P K Filho.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > View this message in context:
> > > >
http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
> > > > Sent from the Muse User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Nelson Kotowski <nk...@gmail.com>.
As a matter of fact, i just came from executing OGSA-DAI WSI/WSRF tutorial,
which makes use of Tomcat/Axis, among other things :)
Now, i was trying to find a way to develop WSRF-compliant grid services,
without using proprietary grid middleware (such as Globus Toolkit,
Websphere, etc). On OGSA site i found out about Apache Muse.
If i had a way to develop a WSRF-compliant grid service with Tomcat + Axis +
Muse + J2SE, that would be great.
>From what i could gather from Bogdan and you, Dan, it would be possible to
do so via that bundle, correct?
It's just that it is quite hard to find out material/reviews from people who
developed a WSRF-compliant without GT4, Websphere, etc. They are quite great
in what they stand for, but right now i am not allowed to use them.
Best regards,
NPKF.
On 8/21/07, Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> If you go down that route, you're going to end up rewriting an HTTP
> server/app container yourself... which is probably not something you want
> to take on. If you're concerned about footprint, try Tomcat 5.0's embedded
> server - it's quite small (even smaller than the Axis2 + Muse bundle
> you're
> going to put on top of it). After stripping out the stuff I didn't want,
> I've gotten embedded Tomcat 5 down to 5 MB. Axis2 is ~10 MB, Muse adds
> ~1.5
> MB. If you use our mini SOAP engine, you can lose the Axis2 footprint as
> well.
>
> If footprint is not your concern, though, you're best off going with a
> simple Tomcat/Axis2 install...
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> "Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 02:42:09 PM:
>
> > Hi Solomon,
> >
> > Thanks for answering.
> >
> > You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
> resource?
> > That would be what i was looking for.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Nelson Kotowski.
> >
> >
> > On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
> application,
> > > you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server
> (Axis2
> or
> > > Mini), or OSGi platform.
> > >
> > > The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
> > > endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over
> J2SE
> > > you
> > > will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
> > > Equinox's HTTP Server).
> > >
> > >
> > > Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that applications
> may
> > > be
> > > > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
> > > >
> > > > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP oriented
> > > > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE
> purely,
> > > > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other libraries?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a
> newbie
> > > > question :)
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Nelson P K Filho.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > > http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
> > > Sent from the Muse User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: muse-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: muse-user-help@ws.apache.org
> > >
> > >
Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Daniel Jemiolo <da...@us.ibm.com>.
If you go down that route, you're going to end up rewriting an HTTP
server/app container yourself... which is probably not something you want
to take on. If you're concerned about footprint, try Tomcat 5.0's embedded
server - it's quite small (even smaller than the Axis2 + Muse bundle you're
going to put on top of it). After stripping out the stuff I didn't want,
I've gotten embedded Tomcat 5 down to 5 MB. Axis2 is ~10 MB, Muse adds ~1.5
MB. If you use our mini SOAP engine, you can lose the Axis2 footprint as
well.
If footprint is not your concern, though, you're best off going with a
simple Tomcat/Axis2 install...
Dan
"Nelson Kotowski" <nk...@gmail.com> wrote on 08/21/2007 02:42:09 PM:
> Hi Solomon,
>
> Thanks for answering.
>
> You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse
resource?
> That would be what i was looking for.
>
> Best regards,
> Nelson Kotowski.
>
>
> On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE
application,
> > you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server (Axis2
or
> > Mini), or OSGi platform.
> >
> > The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
> > endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over J2SE
> > you
> > will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
> > Equinox's HTTP Server).
> >
> >
> > Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that applications
may
> > be
> > > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
> > >
> > > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP oriented
> > > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE
purely,
> > > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other libraries?
> > >
> > > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a
newbie
> > > question :)
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Nelson P K Filho.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
> > Sent from the Muse User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: muse-user-help@ws.apache.org
> >
> >
Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Nelson Kotowski <nk...@gmail.com>.
Hi Solomon,
Thanks for answering.
You mean that one might then use J2SE + Axis2 to implement a Muse resource?
That would be what i was looking for.
Best regards,
Nelson Kotowski.
On 8/21/07, Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca> wrote:
>
>
> From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE application,
> you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server (Axis2 or
> Mini), or OSGi platform.
>
> The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
> endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over J2SE
> you
> will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
> Equinox's HTTP Server).
>
>
> Nelson Kotowski wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that applications may
> be
> > developed using J2EE or OGSi.
> >
> > I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP oriented
> > applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE purely,
> > along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other libraries?
> >
> > I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a newbie
> > question :)
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Nelson P K Filho.
> >
> >
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/New-to-Muse---Concepts-tf4299821.html#a12260436
> Sent from the Muse User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: muse-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
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>
>
Re: New to Muse - Concepts
Posted by Bogdan Solomon <bs...@ncct.uottawa.ca>.
>From my understanding you can not implement it as a pure J2SE application,
you need some form of container, be it a J2EE Application Server (Axis2 or
Mini), or OSGi platform.
The resources that you create with Muse are accessed as web service
endpoints using SOAP over HTTP, so even as an OSGi deployment over J2SE you
will need an HTTP access to it (the default deployment uses Eclipse
Equinox's HTTP Server).
Nelson Kotowski wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I have a newbie question, i read in the Muse site that applications may be
> developed using J2EE or OGSi.
>
> I understand that J2EE provides means for developing SOAP oriented
> applications, but Is there a was to develop services using J2SE purely,
> along with Muse libraries, ou J2SE by adding some other libraries?
>
> I don't know if my question makes much sense, bu anyway, it's a newbie
> question :)
>
> Best Regards,
> Nelson P K Filho.
>
>
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