Re: forking threads (Was: Re: Futon Improvements, Should be: jQuery dependency)

[Jan Lehnardt <ja...@apache.org>]

On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:42, cinnebar wrote:

> If you read the Futon improvements thread carefully from the top you  
> my
> understand that your reply to my comment appeared rude in the  
> context of the
> discussion.  You and Jan seem to have missed the points I was making  
> almost
> entirely.
>
> I sure didnt mean any disrespect and I dont expect any from you.

I hope my last mail made clear that I am furthest from any disrespect
to anyone in this community.

Cheers
Jan
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Re: forking threads (Was: Re: Futon Improvements, Should be: jQuery dependency)

[Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>]

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 07:58:16PM +0100, Noah Slater wrote:
> Let me rephrase that as, you'll behave according to our community mores, and
> when you don't you will be reminded that you should, and if you continue, you'll
> be forcibly removed from the community. Pretty simple, and reasonable.

It has been pointed out to me that this could be taken in the wrong way.

Theoretically, this is how things would work. I don't think it's going to happen
like this, and in fact, it never has. I certainly wasn't suggesting that it's
anywhere near as bad as this right now! But that is how we should all expect
things to ultimately work. We need to pull together as a community, and people
who push against that should be corrected as appropriate. In general.

Best,

-- 
Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: forking threads (Was: Re: Futon Improvements, Should be: jQuery dependency)

[Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 04:09:29AM +1000, cinnebar wrote:
> Stifling user discussion in open source communities is really really bad
> practice Ive never been assaulted by thugs online before

I don't need schooling on community and you're not being silenced.

I'm asking you to stop because this thread is boring. I've already told you that
I didn't like your tone, and you've told me that you don't like my tone, and
nothing seems to have changed. But that's cool. We don't need to keep reminding
each other how we feel. I don't think we need to talk about it any more.

> So to get things straight: the community structure is something like do it
> our way or we will bully you then tell you to be quiet?

Pretty much.

Let me rephrase that as, you'll behave according to our community mores, and
when you don't you will be reminded that you should, and if you continue, you'll
be forcibly removed from the community. Pretty simple, and reasonable.

Best,

-- 
Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: forking threads (Was: Re: Futon Improvements, Should be: jQuery dependency)

[cinnebar <me...@gmail.com>]

Noah:

Stifling user discussion in open source communities is really really bad
practice
Ive never been assaulted by thugs online before

So to get things straight: the community structure is something like do it
our way or we will bully you then tell you to be quiet?

Re: forking threads (Was: Re: Futon Improvements, Should be: jQuery dependency)

[Noah Slater <ns...@apache.org>]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:46:48AM +1000, cinnebar wrote:
> in the context of the thread this was pulled from how can you think it is
> not offensive and disrespectful?

Stop now.

-- 
Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: forking threads (Was: Re: Futon Improvements, Should be: jQuery dependency)

[cinnebar <me...@gmail.com>]

> I am defensive of a project and community that I have had the privilege to
be a
> part of for many years now. And when someone wades in and is being
aggressive
> about things not being good enough for them, and the quality and type of
the
> discussion not being pleasing for them, I will quickly remind them how
they fit
> into the ecosystem. If the documentation isn't up to your standards,
improve it.
> If you're sick of all the people asking simple questions, help them with
their
> problems until they become experts.


in the context of the thread this was pulled from how can you think it is
not offensive and disrespectful?