答复: Logo Proposal

["Liu, Ming (Ming)" <mi...@esgyn.cn>]

Hi, Gunnar,

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.

Thanks,

Gunnar





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

-Carol P.

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <ve...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.
Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

Venkat

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? ☺
-clr


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

-1 all same color.

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of "Apache".

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.

Thanks --Qifan

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
-1

Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
Hi,

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.

A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Option 4!!

Trina

On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....

Thanks Ken!

-Carol P.

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again ☺

From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).

Weishiun

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.

That said, either one is fine.

Dave

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.

Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.

Option 4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing

Option 6
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing

Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!
Comments on 4 & 6?

Cheers, Ken

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.

From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org<http://trafodion.apache.org> site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).

Hans

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.

I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.

Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
Cheers, Ken


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net>> wrote:
+1 on dragon.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!

On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?


Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.

St.Ack



-Carol P.

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
+1 for Dragon.
The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+10 for dragon! Very cute!

Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!

Regards,
-clr


From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.

Dave

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Logo Proposal

Hi All,

Apache Trafodion needs a logo.

I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.

I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.

Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing

I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.

Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?

Cheers, Ken




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Thanks,

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Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.




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Thanks,

Gunnar
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Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>]

Hi Ming,

The dragon is there for the Welsh connection, which is why there was some
consensus while you folks where out on holidays.

If you want to suggest a whale, then I think you better provide the artwork
for consideration or it'll not happen. Hopefully, the dragon is OK enough
for us not to revisit the image but if you feel strong about it, then
that's the way to go.

Gunnar

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>



-- 
Thanks,

Gunnar
*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Prashanth Vasudev <pr...@esgyn.com>]

+1 for 13

+10 for 4g



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2016 9:31 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 for 4g or 13



-clr



*From:* Jin, Jian (Seth) [mailto:Jian.jin@esgyn.cn]
*Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2016 7:03 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 for option 13, the dragon looks cute and the 1st character with upper
case looks solid and formal.



Br,



Seth



*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <am...@esgyn.com>]

*Sent:* 2016年2月16日 10:52
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 4g or 13.



I will say I think 12 is hard to read... I don't think I have seen any
votes for it.... but I think some fonts with all capitals would make
Trafodion hard to read.



Thanks!



On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Hi Ming,



HBase already has taken the Whale logo (Orca) J



Venkat



*From:* Liu, Ming (Ming) [mailto:ming.liu@esgyn.cn]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 6:35 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
<ta...@gmail.com>]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran

RE: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>]

+1 for 4g or 13



-clr



*From:* Jin, Jian (Seth) [mailto:Jian.jin@esgyn.cn]
*Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2016 7:03 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 for option 13, the dragon looks cute and the 1st character with upper
case looks solid and formal.



Br,



Seth



*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <am...@esgyn.com>]

*Sent:* 2016年2月16日 10:52
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 4g or 13.



I will say I think 12 is hard to read... I don't think I have seen any
votes for it.... but I think some fonts with all capitals would make
Trafodion hard to read.



Thanks!



On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Hi Ming,



HBase already has taken the Whale logo (Orca) J



Venkat



*From:* Liu, Ming (Ming) [mailto:ming.liu@esgyn.cn]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 6:35 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
<ta...@gmail.com>]
*发送时间:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran

RE: 答复: Logo Proposal

["Jin, Jian (Seth)" <Ji...@esgyn.cn>]

+1 for option 13, the dragon looks cute and the 1st character with upper case looks solid and formal.

Br,

Seth

From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
Sent: 2016年2月16日 10:52
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

+1 to 4g or 13.

I will say I think 12 is hard to read... I don't think I have seen any votes for it.... but I think some fonts with all capitals would make Trafodion hard to read.

Thanks!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Venkat Muthuswamy <ve...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Hi Ming,

HBase already has taken the Whale logo (Orca) ☺

Venkat

From: Liu, Ming (Ming) [mailto:ming.liu@esgyn.cn<ma...@esgyn.cn>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 6:35 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

Thanks Gunnar,

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
I think we also think about whale before?

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real ☺

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw a baby dragon?

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my favorite ☺

My 2 cents.

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of design.

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

Trying an attachment...

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>> wrote:
Hi, Gunnar,

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.

Thanks,

Gunnar





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

-Carol P.

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <ve...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.
Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

Venkat

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? ☺
-clr


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

-1 all same color.

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of "Apache".

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.

Thanks --Qifan

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
-1

Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
Hi,

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.

A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Option 4!!

Trina

On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....

Thanks Ken!

-Carol P.

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again ☺

From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).

Weishiun

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.

That said, either one is fine.

Dave

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.

Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.

Option 4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing

Option 6
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing

Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!
Comments on 4 & 6?

Cheers, Ken

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.

From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org<http://trafodion.apache.org> site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).

Hans

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.

I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.

Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
Cheers, Ken


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net>> wrote:
+1 on dragon.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!

On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?


Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.

St.Ack



-Carol P.

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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
+1 for Dragon.
The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+10 for dragon! Very cute!

Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!

Regards,
-clr


From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.

Dave

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Logo Proposal

Hi All,

Apache Trafodion needs a logo.

I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.

I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.

Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing

I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.

Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?

Cheers, Ken




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Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Amanda Moran <am...@esgyn.com>]

+1 to 4g or 13.

I will say I think 12 is hard to read... I don't think I have seen any
votes for it.... but I think some fonts with all capitals would make
Trafodion hard to read.

Thanks!

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

> Hi Ming,
>
>
>
> HBase already has taken the Whale logo (Orca) J
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Liu, Ming (Ming) [mailto:ming.liu@esgyn.cn]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 6:35 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> <ta...@gmail.com>]
> *发送时间:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>



-- 
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RE: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Venkat Muthuswamy <ve...@esgyn.com>]

Hi Ming,



HBase already has taken the Whale logo (Orca) J



Venkat



*From:* Liu, Ming (Ming) [mailto:ming.liu@esgyn.cn]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 6:35 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
<ta...@gmail.com>]
*发送时间:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


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Twitter:  @CarolP222

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Hans Zeller <ha...@esgyn.com>]

8 and 4g are my favorites.

Hans

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

> +1 for 13  AND 4g  (whichever looks good on slides and website finally. )
>
>
>
> Thank you , Ken  for going through all these iterations !
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>]

+1 for 13  AND 4g  (whichever looks good on slides and website finally. )



Thank you , Ken  for going through all these iterations !



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: 答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Narendra Goyal <na...@esgyn.com>]

+1 for 4g

+1 for 13



*From:* Qifan Chen [mailto:qifan.chen@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2016 6:59 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 for #4 for a balanced look and stable feel.







On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Lin, Hai (Henry) <ha...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

+1 for 13. Also look forward to a WHALE.J



Henry





*发件人**:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月14日 8:50
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Regards, --Qifan

Re: 答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>]

+1 for #4 for a balanced look and stable feel.



On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Lin, Hai (Henry) <ha...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

> +1 for 13. Also look forward to a WHALE.J
>
>
>
> Henry
>
>
>
>
>
> *发件人:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *发送时间:* 2016年2月14日 8:50
> *收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>



-- 
Regards, --Qifan

答复: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

["Lin, Hai (Henry)" <ha...@esgyn.cn>]

+1 for 13. Also look forward to a WHALE.☺

Henry


发件人: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
发送时间: 2016年2月14日 8:50
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
主题: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

Hi All,

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the input that I received.

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a run-off.)

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.

Cheers, Ken


On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>> wrote:
Thanks Gunnar,

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
I think we also think about whale before?

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real ☺

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw a baby dragon?

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my favorite ☺

My 2 cents.

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of design.

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

Trying an attachment...

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>> wrote:
Hi, Gunnar,

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.

Thanks,

Gunnar





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

-Carol P.

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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <ve...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.
Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

Venkat

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? ☺
-clr


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

-1 all same color.

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of "Apache".

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.

Thanks --Qifan

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
-1

Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
Hi,

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.

A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Option 4!!

Trina

On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....

Thanks Ken!

-Carol P.

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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again ☺

From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).

Weishiun

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.

That said, either one is fine.

Dave

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.

Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.

Option 4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing

Option 6
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing

Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!
Comments on 4 & 6?

Cheers, Ken

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.

From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org<http://trafodion.apache.org> site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).

Hans

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.

I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.

Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
Cheers, Ken


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net>> wrote:
+1 on dragon.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!

On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?


Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.

St.Ack



-Carol P.

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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
+1 for Dragon.
The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+10 for dragon! Very cute!

Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!

Regards,
-clr


From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.

Dave

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Logo Proposal

Hi All,

Apache Trafodion needs a logo.

I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.

I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.

Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing

I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.

Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?

Cheers, Ken




--
Thanks,

Amanda Moran








--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.




--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.



--
Regards, --Qifan




--
Regards, --Qifan





--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.



--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>]

I’m happy with any of the logos. Slight preference for #13.



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>]

Hi,



There is no formal vote in progress now. I’m not sure we need one,
actually; if a clear consensus emerges from the community, that’s good
enough.



Sounds like there is a desire to let more opinions in, so let’s do that and
see where we are in a few days.



Dave



*From:* D. Markt [mailto:dmarkt7370@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 1:24 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If
we’re in it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the
current options.



Thanks,

Dennis



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com
<da...@esgyn.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were
a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants
to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.



I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a
revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?



Dave



*From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deyager@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 13





Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

Option

13

4G

8

12

Ken Holt

Tina Krug

1

1

Sean Broeder

1

1

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

Hans Zeller

1

1

Rohit Jain

1

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

Qifan Chen

1

Ming Liu

1

Narendra Goyal

1

1

Atanu Mishra

1

Carol Pearson

1

1

Venkat Muthuswamy

Amanda Moran

1

1

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1



Dave Birdsall

1

Kevin DeYager

1

14

10

3

1





On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <st...@esgyn.com>
wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







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RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

["D. Markt" <dm...@gmail.com>]

  Right, but your response and Dave’s are subtly different.  Dave implies that if there’s a strong consensus then maybe there’s no need for another vote.  That’s not how the request for input was originally billed.  If that had been the case, perhaps Atanu wouldn’t have voted for option 12 and instead would have voted for 4G (for example).  That said, I applaud everyone’s hard work and passion on creating and picking the logo.  I’ve seen a company pick a logo several times over the years and someone has always objected to the final version as “ugly”, “stupid”, “unnecessary change’, etc.  It’s much like writing an installer or user interface—it’s a thankless job and all you’ll hear are those that think you did a terrible job. :)

 

--Dennis 

 

From: Carol Pearson [mailto:carol.pearson234@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:28 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Nope, not yet on the official vote - still making sure everyone who wants to offer an opinion from China (or anywhere else, but Chinese New Year was last week so they were not thinking about Trafodion Logos, I'm betting...) has a chance.




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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:24 PM, D. Markt <dmarkt7370@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If we’re in it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the current options.

 

Thanks,

Dennis

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.

 

I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?

 

Dave

 

From: Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deyager@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

+1 to 13

 

 

Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

	
Option

			
	
13

4G

8

12


Ken Holt

				

Tina Krug

	1

1

	

Sean Broeder

1

1

		

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

		

Hans Zeller

	1

1

	

Rohit Jain

1

			

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

	1

	

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

			

Qifan Chen

	1

		

Ming Liu

1

			

Narendra Goyal

1

1

		
					

Atanu Mishra

			1


Carol Pearson

1

1

		

Venkat Muthuswamy

				

Amanda Moran

1

1

		

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

			

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

		

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1

 

	

Dave Birdsall

1

			

Kevin DeYager

1

			
	
14

10

3

1

					

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <steve.varnau@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the Apache logo.

 

--Steve

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the input that I received.

 

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a run-off.)

 

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  

 

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <ming.liu@esgyn.cn <ma...@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,

 

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?

 

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real :)  

 

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw a baby dragon?

 

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my favorite :)

 

My 2 cents. 

 

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of design.

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Trying an attachment...

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <ming.liu@esgyn.cn <ma...@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,

 

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

 

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.

 

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.

 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .

 

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.

 

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

 

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious. 

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

 

Venkat

 

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Cc: Rohit Jain <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> >; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> >
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…

 

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? :) 

-clr

 

 

From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Cc: Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> >; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

-1 all same color. 

 

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qifan.chen@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it? 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

 

Rohit



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From: Qifan Chen <qifan.chen@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > 
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>  

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

 

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).  

 

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/> , without the duplication of "Apache". 

 

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. 

 

Thanks --Qifan

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

-1

 

Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. 

 

Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > 
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>  
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

Hi,

 

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. 

 

A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.krug@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Option 4!!

 

Trina 


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...

 

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....  

 

Thanks Ken!

 

-Carol P.




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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again :) 

 

From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).

 

Weishiun

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.

 

That said, either one is fine.

 

Dave

 

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 option 4

 

From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 option 4

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.

 

Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.

 

Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing

 

Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing

 

Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?

 

Cheers, Ken

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well. 

 

From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org <http://trafodion.apache.org>  site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).




Hans

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.

 

I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.

 

Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <stack@duboce.net <ma...@duboce.net> > wrote:

+1 on dragon.

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!

 

On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?

 

 

Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.

 

St.Ack

 

 

 

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.

 

 

From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

+10 for dragon! Very cute!

 

Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0 

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c.lr@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!

 

Regards,

-clr

 

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.

 

Dave

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

Apache Trafodion needs a logo.  

 

I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.

 

I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.

 

Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing

 

I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.

 

Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?

 

Cheers, Ken

 





 

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Thanks,

 

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Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>]

Nope, not yet on the official vote - still making sure everyone who wants
to offer an opinion from China (or anywhere else, but Chinese New Year was
last week so they were not thinking about Trafodion Logos, I'm betting...)
has a chance.

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On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 1:24 PM, D. Markt <dm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If
> we’re in it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the
> current options.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were
> a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants
> to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.
>
>
>
> I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a
> revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deyager@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 to 13
>
>
>
>
>
> Here's what the current vote tally looks like.
>
> Option
>
> 13
>
> 4G
>
> 8
>
> 12
>
> Ken Holt
>
> Tina Krug
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Sean Broeder
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Sandya Sundaresan
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Hans Zeller
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Rohit Jain
>
> 1
>
> Wei-Shun Tsai
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Hai Lin (Henry)
>
> 1
>
> Qifan Chen
>
> 1
>
> Ming Liu
>
> 1
>
> Narendra Goyal
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Atanu Mishra
>
> 1
>
> Carol Pearson
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Venkat Muthuswamy
>
> Amanda Moran
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Jian Jin (Seth)
>
> 1
>
> Christophe LeRouzo
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
> Prashanth Vasudev
>
> 1
>
> 1
>
>
>
> Dave Birdsall
>
> 1
>
> Kevin DeYager
>
> 1
>
> 14
>
> 10
>
> 3
>
> 1
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <st...@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
> “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
> the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
> Apache logo.
>
>
>
> --Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

["D. Markt" <dm...@gmail.com>]

I didn’t vote because I was waiting for the run-off/official vote.  If we’re in it, then we should tell all that’s the case and I’ll vote on the current options.

 

Thanks,

Dennis

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 12:31 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.

 

I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?

 

Dave

 

From: Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deyager@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

+1 to 13

 

 

Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

	
Option

			
	
13

4G

8

12


Ken Holt

				

Tina Krug

	1

1

	

Sean Broeder

1

1

		

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

		

Hans Zeller

	1

1

	

Rohit Jain

1

			

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

	1

	

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

			

Qifan Chen

	1

		

Ming Liu

1

			

Narendra Goyal

1

1

		
					

Atanu Mishra

			1


Carol Pearson

1

1

		

Venkat Muthuswamy

				

Amanda Moran

1

1

		

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

			

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

		

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1

 

	

Dave Birdsall

1

			

Kevin DeYager

1

			
	
14

10

3

1

					

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <steve.varnau@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the Apache logo.

 

--Steve

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the input that I received.

 

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a run-off.)

 

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  

 

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <ming.liu@esgyn.cn <ma...@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,

 

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?

 

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real :)  

 

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw a baby dragon?

 

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my favorite :)

 

My 2 cents. 

 

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of design.

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Trying an attachment...

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <ming.liu@esgyn.cn <ma...@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,

 

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

 

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.

 

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.

 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .

 

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.

 

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

 

-Carol P.




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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious. 

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

 

Venkat

 

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Cc: Rohit Jain <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> >; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> >
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…

 

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? :) 

-clr

 

 

From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Cc: Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> >; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

-1 all same color. 

 

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qifan.chen@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it? 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

 

Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qifan.chen@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > 
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>  

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

 

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).  

 

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/> , without the duplication of "Apache". 

 

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. 

 

Thanks --Qifan

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

-1

 

Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. 

 

Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > 
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>  
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

Hi,

 

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. 

 

A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.krug@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Option 4!!

 

Trina 


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...

 

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....  

 

Thanks Ken!

 

-Carol P.




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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again :) 

 

From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).

 

Weishiun

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.

 

That said, either one is fine.

 

Dave

 

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 option 4

 

From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 option 4

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.

 

Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.

 

Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing

 

Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing

 

Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?

 

Cheers, Ken

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well. 

 

From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org <http://trafodion.apache.org>  site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).




Hans

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.

 

I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.

 

Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <stack@duboce.net <ma...@duboce.net> > wrote:

+1 on dragon.

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!

 

On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?

 

 

Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.

 

St.Ack

 

 

 

-Carol P.




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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.

 

 

From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

+10 for dragon! Very cute!

 

Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0 

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c.lr@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!

 

Regards,

-clr

 

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.

 

Dave

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

Apache Trafodion needs a logo.  

 

I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.

 

I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.

 

Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing

 

I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.

 

Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?

 

Cheers, Ken

 





 

-- 

Thanks, 

 

Amanda Moran

 

 

 

 

 





 

-- 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.

 





 

-- 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.





 

-- 

Regards, --Qifan

 





 

-- 

Regards, --Qifan

 

 





 

-- 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.





 

-- 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.

 





 

-- 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.

 

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Dave Birdsall <da...@esgyn.com>]

Hi,



Looks like consensus is crystallizing around options 13 and 4G. There were
a couple of comments on 4G regarding font color. I don’t know if Ken wants
to put up a revised 4G with a different color scheme.



I’m wondering if we should do an informal run-off between 13 and 4G (or a
revised 4G if Ken so desires) and decide on that basis?



Dave



*From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deyager@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 13





Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

Option

13

4G

8

12

Ken Holt

Tina Krug

1

1

Sean Broeder

1

1

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

Hans Zeller

1

1

Rohit Jain

1

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

Qifan Chen

1

Ming Liu

1

Narendra Goyal

1

1

Atanu Mishra

1

Carol Pearson

1

1

Venkat Muthuswamy

Amanda Moran

1

1

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1



Dave Birdsall

1

Kevin DeYager

1

14

10

3

1





On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <st...@esgyn.com>
wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







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RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Narain Arvind <na...@gmail.com>]

+1 for 13

 

Thanks

Arvind

 

From: Selva Govindarajan [mailto:selva.govindarajan@esgyn.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:32 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Did I cast an invalid vote :) ? It is missing

                            

                                           13                        8

Selvaganesan Govindarajan      1                         1

 

Selva

 

From: Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deyager@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

+1 to 13

 

 

Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

	
Option

			
	
13

4G

8

12


Ken Holt

				

Tina Krug

	1

1

	

Sean Broeder

1

1

		

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

		

Hans Zeller

	1

1

	

Rohit Jain

1

			

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

	1

	

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

			

Qifan Chen

	1

		

Ming Liu

1

			

Narendra Goyal

1

1

		
					

Atanu Mishra

			1


Carol Pearson

1

1

		

Venkat Muthuswamy

				

Amanda Moran

1

1

		

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

			

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

		

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1

 

	

Dave Birdsall

1

			

Kevin DeYager

1

			
	
14

10

3

1

					

 

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1

 

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <steve.varnau@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the Apache logo.

 

--Steve

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the input that I received.

 

One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a run-off.)

 

By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  

 

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <ming.liu@esgyn.cn <ma...@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,

 

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?

 

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real :)  

 

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw a baby dragon?

 

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my favorite :)

 

My 2 cents. 

 

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of design.

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

 

Trying an attachment...

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <ming.liu@esgyn.cn <ma...@esgyn.cn> > wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,

 

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .

 

Thanks,

Ming

 

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

 

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.

 

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.

 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

 

 

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .

 

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.

 

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

 

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious. 

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

 

Venkat

 

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Cc: Rohit Jain <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> >; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> >
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…

 

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? :) 

-clr

 

 

From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Cc: Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> >; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

-1 all same color. 

 

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qifan.chen@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it? 

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

 

Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qifan.chen@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > 
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>  

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

 

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).  

 

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/> , without the duplication of "Apache". 

 

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. 

 

Thanks --Qifan

 

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <rohit.jain@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

-1

 

Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. 

 

Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > 
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>  
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal 

Hi,

 

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. 

 

A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

 

Thanks,

 

Gunnar

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <trina.krug@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Option 4!!

 

Trina 


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...

 

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....  

 

Thanks Ken!

 

-Carol P.




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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

 

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again :) 

 

From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).

 

Weishiun

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.

 

That said, either one is fine.

 

Dave

 

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 option 4

 

From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

+1 option 4

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.

 

Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.

 

Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing

 

Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing

 

Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?

 

Cheers, Ken

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well. 

 

From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org <http://trafodion.apache.org>  site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).




Hans

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.

 

I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.

 

Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken

 

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <stack@duboce.net <ma...@duboce.net> > wrote:

+1 on dragon.

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <carol.pearson234@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> > wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!

 

On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?

 

 

Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.

 

St.Ack

 

 

 

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.

 

 

From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

 

+10 for dragon! Very cute!

 

Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0 

 

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c.lr@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> > wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!

 

Regards,

-clr

 

 

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com <ma...@esgyn.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

 

Hi,

 

I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.

 

Dave

 

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org <ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org> 
Subject: Logo Proposal

 

Hi All,

 

Apache Trafodion needs a logo.  

 

I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.

 

I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.

 

Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing

 

I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.

 

Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?

 

Cheers, Ken

 





 

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RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Selva Govindarajan <se...@esgyn.com>]

Did I cast an invalid vote J ? It is missing



                                           13                        8

Selvaganesan Govindarajan      1                         1



Selva



*From:* Kevin DeYager [mailto:kevin.deyager@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 16, 2016 10:26 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



+1 to 13





Here's what the current vote tally looks like.

Option

13

4G

8

12

Ken Holt

Tina Krug

1

1

Sean Broeder

1

1

Sandya Sundaresan

1

1

Hans Zeller

1

1

Rohit Jain

1

Wei-Shun Tsai

1

1

Hai Lin (Henry)

1

Qifan Chen

1

Ming Liu

1

Narendra Goyal

1

1

Atanu Mishra

1

Carol Pearson

1

1

Venkat Muthuswamy

Amanda Moran

1

1

Jian Jin (Seth)

1

Christophe LeRouzo

1

1

Prashanth Vasudev

1

1



Dave Birdsall

1

Kevin DeYager

1

14

10

3

1





On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1



On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <st...@esgyn.com>
wrote:

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Kevin DeYager <ke...@gmail.com>]

+1 to 13


Here's what the current vote tally looks like.
Option
13 4G 8 12
Ken Holt
Tina Krug 1 1
Sean Broeder 1 1
Sandya Sundaresan 1 1
Hans Zeller 1 1
Rohit Jain 1
Wei-Shun Tsai 1 1
Hai Lin (Henry) 1
Qifan Chen 1
Ming Liu 1
Narendra Goyal 1 1
Atanu Mishra 1
Carol Pearson 1 1
Venkat Muthuswamy
Amanda Moran 1 1
Jian Jin (Seth) 1
Christophe LeRouzo 1 1
Prashanth Vasudev 1 1
Dave Birdsall 1
Kevin DeYager 1
14 10 3 1


On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <st...@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
>> “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
>> the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
>> Apache logo.
>>
>>
>>
>> --Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
>> of the input that I received.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>> for a run-off.)
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>> option 4g.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>>
>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>
>>
>>
>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
>> real J
>>
>>
>>
>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
>> draw a baby dragon?
>>
>>
>>
>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>> my favorite J
>>
>>
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
>> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
>> kind of design.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying an attachment...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
>> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
>> cannot access Google drive .
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
>> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
>> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
>> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
>> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>>
>>
>>
>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
>> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
>> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
>> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
>> traffic comes from.
>>
>>
>>
>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
>> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
>> serious.
>>
>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>>
>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Venkat
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>>
>> -          One color or multiple colors?
>>
>> -          Thin font or thick font?
>>
>> -          One font or two fonts?
>>
>> -          Apache or not…
>>
>>
>>
>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>>
>> -clr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> -1 all same color.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
>> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
>> read about it?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
>> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
>> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rohit
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>
>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the
>> dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>>
>>
>>
>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the
>> word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>>
>>
>>
>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
>> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication
>> of "Apache".
>>
>>
>>
>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks --Qifan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> -1
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rohit
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>>
>>
>>
>> A simple change:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Option 4!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Trina
>>
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
>> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>>
>>
>>
>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
>> all....
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ken!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
>> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>
>>
>>
>> Weishiun
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
>> with the placement of option 6.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, either one is fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 option 4
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 option 4
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>>
>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 4
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 6
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
>> field testing!
>>
>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we
>> could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different
>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as
>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
>> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
>> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
>> favorite).
>>
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
>> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
>> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
>> post another version of that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on dragon.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <
>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>>
>>
>>
>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
>> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
>> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
>> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
>> carries.
>>
>>
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 for Dragon.
>>
>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
>> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
>> complicated with the cursive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>>
>>
>>
>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
>> likes... I give it a +0
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements
>> really well the yellow elephant!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -clr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
>> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
>> that issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
>> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
>> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
>> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
>> simple cute dragon.
>>
>>
>>
>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
>> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dragon standalone -
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> Trafodion name & dragon -
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
>> look too similar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Amanda Moran
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, --Qifan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, --Qifan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>]

+1

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Steve Varnau <st...@esgyn.com>
wrote:

> If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
> “Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
> the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
> Apache logo.
>
>
>
> --Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>



-- 
Thanks,

Gunnar
*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Steve Varnau <st...@esgyn.com>]

If “Apache” and “Trafodion” are different colors, it seems to me that
“Trafodion” (in whatever case) should be the word that matches the color of
the dragon. Otherwise it makes me think the dragon is trying to be the
Apache logo.



--Steve



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Sean Broeder <se...@esgyn.com>]

I think my preferences lean toward the more traditional.  I like options 13
and 4g.  I don’t really care for the all lower case print, despite it
seeming to have support from others.  It seems too informal or
unprofessional to me.



Nice effort getting these together.



Thanks,
Sean



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com>]

Now this is a tough one!!  I personally like the last 2 (8 and 4g).  I like 4g slightly better than 8 but they are both appealing.  

Trina 

> On Feb 13, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of the input that I received.
>  
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two for a run-off.)
>  
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option 4g.  
>  
> Cheers, Ken
>  
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:
>> Thanks Gunnar,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>> 
>> I think we also think about whale before?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real J  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw a baby dragon?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my favorite J
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My 2 cents.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of design.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ming
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com] 
>> 发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
>> 收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> 主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Trying an attachment...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Gunnar,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Ming
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com] 
>> 发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
>> 收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> 主题: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gunnar
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Carol P.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <ve...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.
>> 
>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>> 
>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Venkat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>> 
>> -          One color or multiple colors?
>> 
>> -          Thin font or thick font?
>> 
>> -          One font or two fonts?
>> 
>> -          Apache or not…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>> 
>> -clr
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -1 all same color. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it? 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rohit
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> 
>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00) 
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> 
>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com> 
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here, without the duplication of "Apache". 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks --Qifan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> -1
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rohit
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com> 
>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00) 
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org 
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gunnar
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Option 4!!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Trina 
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks Ken!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Carol P.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Weishiun
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That said, either one is fine.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> +1 option 4
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> +1 option 4
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>> 
>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Option 4
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Option 6
>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!
>> 
>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers, Ken
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a  simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hans
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>> 
>> Cheers, Ken
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>> 
>> +1 on dragon.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> St.Ack
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Carol P.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>> 
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> +1 for Dragon.
>> 
>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> -clr
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: RE: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Logo Proposal
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>> Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers, Ken
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Amanda Moran
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gunnar
>> 
>> If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gunnar
>> 
>> If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Regards, --Qifan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Regards, --Qifan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gunnar
>> 
>> If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gunnar
>> 
>> If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.
>> 
> 
> <Logo option 13.png>
> <Logo option 12.png>
> <Logo option 9.png>
> <Logo option 8.png>
> <Logo option 4g.png>

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>]

Hi,

For completeness (since I care more about consistent fonts than case)...

Lowercase or not has nothing to do with professionalism. Consider the logos
of amazon, ebay, facebook, flicker, intel, hp, citibank, macy's, bp, sears,
mapquest,xerox, and so on. Many companies have switched to lowercase as
part of modernizing their logos.Why? Because they want to appear more
approachable.

Here's a nice writeup to consider:
http://www.adherecreative.com/blog/bid/181249/The-Case-for-Lower-Case-A-Rebranding-Conundrum

The branding choice isn't about personal preference but rather the
following statement: "At the end of the day, it's not a good idea to stick
to the staple just because that is what you're used to in your industry. If
you want to stand out, you have to break the mold."

You learn something new every day.

Gunnar


On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 12:44 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1 for 13
> +1 for 4g
>
> Don't like the lower case apache trafodion - I'm with Sean on that....
>
> -Carol P.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Atanu Mishra <at...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I like 12.
>>
>> Atanu
>>
>> ____________________
>> Atanu Mishra
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the
>>> web site; that is, Telex?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
>>> selva.govindarajan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
>>>> possible in 8.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Selva
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of
>>>> much of the input that I received.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>>>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>>>> for a run-off.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>>>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>>>> option 4g.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too
>>>> popular.
>>>>
>>>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth ,
>>>> and real J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we
>>>> can draw a baby dragon?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>>>> my favorite J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My 2 cents.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows
>>>> to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for
>>>> this kind of design.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>>>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>>>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trying an attachment...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Gunnar,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big.
>>>> I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some
>>>> people cannot access Google drive .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ming
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>>>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
>>>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>>>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version
>>>> for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on
>>>> the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but
>>>> that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from
>>>> Google Fonts: Telex Regular.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
>>>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
>>>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
>>>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
>>>> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to
>>>> be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in
>>>> the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of
>>>> our traffic comes from.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Carol P.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
>>>> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
>>>> serious.
>>>>
>>>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
>>>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product
>>>> name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Venkat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>>>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>>>>
>>>> -          One color or multiple colors?
>>>>
>>>> -          Thin font or thick font?
>>>>
>>>> -          One font or two fonts?
>>>>
>>>> -          Apache or not…
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>>>>
>>>> -clr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>>>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -1 all same color.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
>>>> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
>>>> read about it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
>>>> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
>>>> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rohit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
>>>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the
>>>> dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the
>>>> word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
>>>> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
>>>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication
>>>> of "Apache".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks --Qifan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rohit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>>>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A simple change:
>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Option 4!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trina
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
>>>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
>>>> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
>>>> all....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ken!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Carol P.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them
>>>> both.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the
>>>> right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>>>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Weishiun
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned),
>>>> but with the placement of option 6.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That said, either one is fine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 option 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 option 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked
>>>> that.
>>>>
>>>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Option 4
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Option 6
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
>>>> field testing!
>>>>
>>>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we
>>>> could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different
>>>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with
>>>> another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on
>>>> the trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still
>>>> not my favorite).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is
>>>> a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
>>>> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon
>>>> and post another version of that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 on dragon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <
>>>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
>>>> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
>>>> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
>>>> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
>>>> carries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> St.Ack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Carol P.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 for Dragon.
>>>>
>>>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
>>>> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
>>>> complicated with the cursive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
>>>> likes... I give it a +0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements
>>>> really well the yellow elephant!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> -clr
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
>>>> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
>>>> that issue.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
>>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite
>>>> some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
>>>> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
>>>> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
>>>> simple cute dragon.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose
>>>> that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dragon standalone -
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> Trafodion name & dragon -
>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
>>>> look too similar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Amanda Moran
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>>
>>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>>
>>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Regards, --Qifan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Regards, --Qifan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>>
>>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gunnar
>>>>
>>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
Thanks,

Gunnar
*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>]

+1 for 13
+1 for 4g

Don't like the lower case apache trafodion - I'm with Sean on that....

-Carol P.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 10:58 AM, Atanu Mishra <at...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I like 12.
>
> Atanu
>
> ____________________
> Atanu Mishra
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the web
>> site; that is, Telex?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
>> selva.govindarajan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
>>> possible in 8.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Selva
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
>>> of the input that I received.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>>> for a run-off.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>>> option 4g.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too
>>> popular.
>>>
>>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
>>> real J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we
>>> can draw a baby dragon?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>>> my favorite J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
>>> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
>>> kind of design.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ming
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trying an attachment...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Gunnar,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
>>> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
>>> cannot access Google drive .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ming
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
>>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version
>>> for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on
>>> the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but
>>> that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from
>>> Google Fonts: Telex Regular.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
>>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
>>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
>>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
>>> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
>>> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
>>> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
>>> traffic comes from.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Carol P.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
>>> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
>>> serious.
>>>
>>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
>>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>>>
>>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Venkat
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>>>
>>> -          One color or multiple colors?
>>>
>>> -          Thin font or thick font?
>>>
>>> -          One font or two fonts?
>>>
>>> -          Apache or not…
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>>>
>>> -clr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -1 all same color.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
>>> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
>>> read about it?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
>>> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
>>> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rohit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
>>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>>
>>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the
>>> dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the
>>> word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
>>> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
>>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication
>>> of "Apache".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks --Qifan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> -1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rohit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A simple change:
>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Option 4!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trina
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
>>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
>>> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
>>> all....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Ken!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Carol P.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the
>>> right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Weishiun
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned),
>>> but with the placement of option 6.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That said, either one is fine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 option 4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 option 4
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>>>
>>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Option 4
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Option 6
>>>
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
>>> field testing!
>>>
>>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we
>>> could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different
>>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as
>>> well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
>>> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
>>> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
>>> favorite).
>>>
>>>
>>> Hans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is
>>> a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
>>> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon
>>> and post another version of that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 on dragon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <
>>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
>>> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
>>> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
>>> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
>>> carries.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> St.Ack
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Carol P.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>>
>>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for Dragon.
>>>
>>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
>>> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
>>> complicated with the cursive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
>>> likes... I give it a +0
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements
>>> really well the yellow elephant!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -clr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
>>> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
>>> that issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
>>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite
>>> some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
>>> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
>>> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
>>> simple cute dragon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose
>>> that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dragon standalone -
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> Trafodion name & dragon -
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
>>> look too similar.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Amanda Moran
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards, --Qifan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Regards, --Qifan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunnar
>>>
>>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gunnar
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>
>

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Atanu Mishra <at...@gmail.com>]

I like 12.

Atanu

____________________
Atanu Mishra

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the web
> site; that is, Telex?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
> selva.govindarajan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
>> possible in 8.
>>
>>
>>
>> Selva
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
>> of the input that I received.
>>
>>
>>
>> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
>> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
>> for a run-off.)
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front
>> runner option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named
>> option 4g.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>>
>> I think we also think about whale before?
>>
>>
>>
>> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
>> real J
>>
>>
>>
>> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
>> draw a baby dragon?
>>
>>
>>
>> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as
>> my favorite J
>>
>>
>>
>> My 2 cents.
>>
>>
>>
>> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
>> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
>> kind of design.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Trying an attachment...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Gunnar,
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
>> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
>> cannot access Google drive .
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ming
>>
>>
>>
>> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
>> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
>> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to
>> propose the following draft as a candidate:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
>> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
>> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
>> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
>> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>>
>>
>>
>> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
>> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
>> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
>> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
>> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
>> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
>> traffic comes from.
>>
>>
>>
>> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>>
>>
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
>> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
>> serious.
>>
>> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
>> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>>
>> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Venkat
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>>
>> -          One color or multiple colors?
>>
>> -          Thin font or thick font?
>>
>> -          One font or two fonts?
>>
>> -          Apache or not…
>>
>>
>>
>> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>>
>> -clr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
>> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> -1 all same color.
>>
>>
>>
>> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
>> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
>> read about it?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
>> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
>> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rohit
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
>> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>>
>> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the
>> dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>>
>>
>>
>> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the
>> word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>>
>>
>>
>> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
>> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication
>> of "Apache".
>>
>>
>>
>> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks --Qifan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> -1
>>
>>
>>
>> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rohit
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>>
>>
>>
>> A simple change:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Option 4!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Trina
>>
>>
>> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
>> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
>> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>>
>>
>>
>> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
>> all....
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ken!
>>
>>
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look.
>> The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
>> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
>> (perhaps also in lower case).
>>
>>
>>
>> Weishiun
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
>> with the placement of option 6.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, either one is fine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 option 4
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 option 4
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>>
>> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 4
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 6
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
>> field testing!
>>
>> Comments on 4 & 6?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we
>> could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different
>> color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as
>> well.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
>> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
>> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
>> favorite).
>>
>>
>> Hans
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
>> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
>> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
>> post another version of that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on dragon.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <
>> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>>
>>
>>
>> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
>> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
>> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
>> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
>> carries.
>>
>>
>>
>> St.Ack
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Carol P.
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>>
>> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
>> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 for Dragon.
>>
>> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
>> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
>> complicated with the cursive.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>>
>>
>>
>> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
>> likes... I give it a +0
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements
>> really well the yellow elephant!
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -clr
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
>> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
>> that issue.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
>> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
>> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
>> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
>> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
>> simple cute dragon.
>>
>>
>>
>> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
>> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dragon standalone -
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> Trafodion name & dragon -
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
>> look too similar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers, Ken
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Amanda Moran
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, --Qifan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards, --Qifan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Gunnar
>>
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Gunnar
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>

Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>]

Ken: Can you make a variant of 13 with the same font as we use on the web
site; that is, Telex?

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 5:33 AM, Selva Govindarajan <
selva.govindarajan@esgyn.com> wrote:

> +1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if
> possible in 8.
>
>
>
> Selva
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much
> of the input that I received.
>
>
>
> One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
> your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
> for a run-off.)
>
>
>
> By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
> option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
> 4g.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>



-- 
Thanks,

Gunnar
*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

RE: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Selva Govindarajan <se...@esgyn.com>]

+1 for 8 and 13.  Consider reducing the space between the fonts if possible
in 8.



Selva



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2016 4:50 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal



Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Thanks Gunnar,



I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.

I think we also think about whale before?



The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
real J



And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
draw a baby dragon?



And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
favorite J



My 2 cents.



Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me
how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind
of design.



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

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On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





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Thanks,



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Re: 答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com>]

Hi All,



A new set of Trafodion logo options are attached, taking account of much of
the input that I received.



One of these is a clear winner for me personally, but I submit them for
your consideration and hope we can zero in on one of them. (Or perhaps two
for a run-off.)



By the way, all logos use Google fonts, including the earlier front runner
option 4 where I found a comparable google font to use, now named option
4g.



Cheers, Ken



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

> Thanks Gunnar,
>
>
>
> I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
>
> I think we also think about whale before?
>
>
>
> The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and
> real J
>
>
>
> And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can
> draw a baby dragon?
>
>
>
> And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my
> favorite J
>
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
>
>
> Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to
> me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this
> kind of design.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间:* 2016年2月13日 9:43
> *收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Trying an attachment...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Gunnar,
>
>
>
> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ming
>
>
>
> *发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题**:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
>
>
>
> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
>
>
>
> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
>
>
>
> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
>
>
>
> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
>
> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
>
> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
>
>
>
> Venkat
>
>
>
> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> It seems we might need multiple votes:
>
> -          One color or multiple colors?
>
> -          Thin font or thick font?
>
> -          One font or two fonts?
>
> -          Apache or not…
>
>
>
> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
> >
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> -1 all same color.
>
>
>
> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
>
> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
>
>
>
> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
>
>
>
> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
>
>
>
> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
>
>
>
> Thanks --Qifan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> -1
>
>
>
> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
>
>
>
> Rohit
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
>
>
>
> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Option 4!!
>
>
>
> Trina
>
>
> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
>
>
>
> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
>
>
>
> Thanks Ken!
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
>
>
>
> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
>
>
>
> Weishiun
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
>
>
>
> That said, either one is fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 option 4
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
>
> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
>
>
>
> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
>
>
>
> Option 4
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Option 6
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
>
> Comments on 4 & 6?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
>
>
>
> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
>
>
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
>
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
>
>
>
> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
>
>
>
> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> +1 on dragon.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
>
>
>
> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
>
>
>
>
>
> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
>
>
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Carol P.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
>
> Twitter:  @CarolP222
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for Dragon.
>
> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
>
>
>
> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -clr
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
>
>
>
> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
>
>
>
> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
>
>
>
> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
>
> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
>
>
>
> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Amanda Moran
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Regards, --Qifan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Gunnar
>
> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
>

答复: 答复: Logo Proposal

["Liu, Ming (Ming)" <mi...@esgyn.cn>]

Thanks Gunnar,

I can see it now. I like dragon very much, but hope it is not too popular.
I think we also think about whale before?

The meaning behind whale is: it is the biggest animal on the earth , and real ☺

And Hadoop projects seem to use cute animals (Hive, Hadoop). Maybe we can draw a baby dragon?

And most people like sky blue? I used to have black or golden dragon as my favorite ☺

My 2 cents.

Overall, I like this logo, it is already good enough for me. It shows to me how powerful Trafodion is. I know it is hard to get consensus for this kind of design.

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 9:43
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
主题: Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

Trying an attachment...

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn>> wrote:
Hi, Gunnar,

Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people cannot access Google drive .

Thanks,
Ming

发件人: Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
发送时间: 2016年2月13日 4:31
收件人: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
主题: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,

Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose the following draft as a candidate: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc

I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google Fonts: Telex Regular.

As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.

Thanks,

Gunnar





On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion fits into the puzzle ;-) .

I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our traffic comes from.

Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?

-Carol P.

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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
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On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <ve...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are serious.
Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.

Venkat

From: Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…

What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? ☺
-clr


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

-1 all same color.

I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to read about it?

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.

I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).

With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the "power by Apache" logo, see URL here<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of "Apache".

It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.

Thanks --Qifan

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
-1

Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.

Rohit


-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
Hi,

I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.

A simple change: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8

Thanks,

Gunnar

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Option 4!!

Trina

On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out and I'm not fond of it overall...

But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at all....

Thanks Ken!

-Carol P.

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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
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On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again ☺

From: Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right, not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional (perhaps also in lower case).

Weishiun

From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but with the placement of option 6.

That said, either one is fine.

Dave

From: Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

+1 option 4

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.

Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.

Option 4
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing

Option 6
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing

Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited field testing!
Comments on 4 & 6?

Cheers, Ken

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.

From: Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM

To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the trafodion.apache.org<http://trafodion.apache.org> site. That might be better (although still not my favorite).

Hans

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com>> wrote:
By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality, which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.

I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and post another version of that.

Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
Cheers, Ken


On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net>> wrote:
+1 on dragon.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!

On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?


Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon carries.

St.Ack



-Carol P.

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Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>
Twitter:  @CarolP222
---------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <sa...@esgyn.com>> wrote:
+1 for Dragon.
The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and complicated with the cursive.


From: Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

+10 for dragon! Very cute!

Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else likes... I give it a +0

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>> wrote:
Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really well the yellow elephant!

Regards,
-clr


From: Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com<ma...@esgyn.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Logo Proposal

Hi,

I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that issue.

Dave

From: Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org<ma...@trafodion.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Logo Proposal

Hi All,

Apache Trafodion needs a logo.

I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a simple cute dragon.

I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.

Dragon standalone - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
Trafodion name & dragon - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing

I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s look too similar.

Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?

Cheers, Ken




--
Thanks,

Amanda Moran








--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.




--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.



--
Regards, --Qifan




--
Regards, --Qifan





--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.



--
Thanks,

Gunnar
If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.

RE: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>]

Outside of the legal aspect, it looks kind of weird without capitalization
of Apache and Trafodion…



-clr





*From:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 5:43 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: 答复: Logo Proposal



Trying an attachment...



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

Hi, Gunnar,



Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
cannot access Google drive .



Thanks,

Ming



*发件人**:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
*发送时间**:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
*收件人**:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*主**题**:* Re: Logo Proposal



Hi,



Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
the following draft as a candidate:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc



I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
Fonts: Telex Regular.



As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm sure
it'll meet the other criteria, too.



Thanks,



Gunnar











On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
fits into the puzzle ;-) .



I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
traffic comes from.



Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:

Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
serious.

Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the website,
presentation slides and any brochures if you will.

Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.



Venkat



*From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



It seems we might need multiple votes:

-          One color or multiple colors?

-          Thin font or thick font?

-          One font or two fonts?

-          Apache or not…



What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J

-clr





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



-1 all same color.



I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is



Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:

But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
read about it?



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org

Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.



I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).



With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
"power by Apache" logo, see URL here
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
"Apache".



It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.



Thanks --Qifan



On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:

-1



Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.



Rohit



-------- Original message --------
From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Logo Proposal

Hi,



I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.



A simple change:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8



Thanks,



Gunnar



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Option 4!!



Trina


On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
and I'm not fond of it overall...



But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
all....



Thanks Ken!



-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.



On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J



*From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
(perhaps also in lower case).



Weishiun



*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
with the placement of option 6.



That said, either one is fine.



Dave



*From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



+1 option 4



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.

But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.



Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.



Option 4

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing



Option 6

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing



Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
field testing!

Comments on 4 & 6?



Cheers, Ken



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.



*From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM


*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
favorite).


Hans



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:

By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.



I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
post another version of that.



Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.

Cheers, Ken





On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

+1 on dragon.



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
wrote:

+1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!



On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?





Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
carries.



St.Ack







-Carol P.


---------------------------------------------------------------

Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com

Twitter:  @CarolP222

---------------------------------------------------------------



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:

+1 for Dragon.

The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
complicated with the cursive.





*From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal



+10 for dragon! Very cute!



Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
likes... I give it a +0



On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com> wrote:

Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
well the yellow elephant!



Regards,

-clr





*From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal



Hi,



I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s too
much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have that
issue.



Dave



*From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
*To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
*Subject:* Logo Proposal



Hi All,



Apache Trafodion needs a logo.



I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
simple cute dragon.



I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.



Dragon standalone -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing

Trafodion name & dragon -
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing



I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
look too similar.



Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?



Cheers, Ken







-- 

Thanks,



Amanda Moran















-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*







-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Regards, --Qifan







-- 

Regards, --Qifan









-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*





-- 

Thanks,



Gunnar

*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

Re: 答复: Logo Proposal

[Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>]

Trying an attachment...

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 6:26 PM, Liu, Ming (Ming) <mi...@esgyn.cn> wrote:

> Hi, Gunnar,
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> Is it possible to put the logo as attachment? If they are not too big. I
> saw QiFan once has an attachment of a logo in one of his post. Some people
> cannot access Google drive .
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> Thanks,
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> Ming
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> *发件人:* Gunnar Tapper [mailto:tapper.gunnar@gmail.com]
> *发送时间:* 2016年2月13日 4:31
> *收件人:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *主题:* Re: Logo Proposal
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> Hi,
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> Based on the input from several people in this thread, I'd like to propose
> the following draft as a candidate:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTQV85eDlyc0RxWGc
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> I'm hoping that Ken, Sandhya, or someone else can make a real version for
> consideration rather than my PowerPoint hack. It needs a bit of work on the
> gray hue (s;lightly darker IMO), size of dragon, and alignment but that's
> better done in a real designer program. The font was downloaded from Google
> Fonts: Telex Regular.
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> As mentioned, the draft fits into the overall website well:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTczNMLTRjYUVXSkE and I'm
> sure it'll meet the other criteria, too.
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> Thanks,
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> Gunnar
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> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Carol Pearson <
> carol.pearson234@gmail.com> wrote:
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> We also need our logo to look good on our customers' and users' and
> ecosystem denizens' websites so they're eager to show off that Trafodion
> fits into the puzzle ;-) .
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> I don't think we're quite converged and ready for a real vote, and to be
> honest, I hate to call for a 3 day vote on this over a long weekend in the
> US and at the end of a holiday week in China since that's where most of our
> traffic comes from.
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> Further discussion over the weekend and final vote on Tuesday?
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> -Carol P.
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> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
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> Twitter:  @CarolP222
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> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Venkat Muthuswamy <
> venkat.muthuswamy@esgyn.com> wrote:
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> Having Apache in our logo, brings a lot of credibility and shows we are
> serious.
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> Let’s also keep in mind that the logo/text should look good on the
> website, presentation slides and any brochures if you will.
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> Certainly we need multiple colors to bring attention to the product name.
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> Venkat
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> *From:* Christophe LeRouzo [mailto:c.lr@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:59 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit Jain <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <
> tapper.gunnar@gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
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> It seems we might need multiple votes:
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> -          One color or multiple colors?
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> -          Thin font or thick font?
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> -          One font or two fonts?
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> -          Apache or not…
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> What was Selva saying about engineers and votes? J
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> -clr
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> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2016 7:21 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Cc:* Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com>; Gunnar Tapper <tapper.gunnar@gmail.com
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> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
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> -1 all same color.
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> I still like option 4 the way it was/is but I can understand wanting to
> remove Apache .... But I still like it the way it is
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Feb 12, 2016, at 7:15 AM, Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com> wrote:
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> But is it obvious that Trafodion is an Apache project, if one starts to
> read about it?
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> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:48 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
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> It depends on how much value you think Apache adds to Trafodion, as
> compared to those other logos that perhaps already have some cachet.  I
> feel that it adds quite a bit of value to Trafodion.
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> Rohit
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Qifan Chen <qi...@esgyn.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 8:34 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
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> Cc: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
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> I wonder if we could also consider a mod to option 4 where only the dragon
> and the word trafodion are present. See the two images attached.
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> I sampled a couple apache project logs and found they do not have the word
> APACHE in their logos (e.g., HIVE, MONGODB, AVRO, SPARK).
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> With this approach, it is possible to put the Trafodion logo into the
> "power by Apache" logo, see URL here
> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/>, without the duplication of
> "Apache".
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> It also simplifies the design and allows a good focus.
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> Thanks --Qifan
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> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Rohit <ro...@esgyn.com> wrote:
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> -1
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> Check out the other logos I sent to the internal dlist.
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> Rohit
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> Date: 02/12/2016 12:50 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Logo Proposal
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> Hi,
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> I suggest that we limit the number of colors used.
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> A simple change:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxlwNhWxn8iTT3NNMTZ0dmhqQm8
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> Thanks,
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> Gunnar
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> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Trina Krug <tr...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Option 4!!
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> Trina
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> On Feb 11, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Slightly late to the party, but +1 on option 4 as well.  Though I would
> prefer a slightly less formal font, the one in option 6 is too spaced out
> and I'm not fond of it overall...
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> But that's really a nit and this is infinitely better than no logo at
> all....
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> Thanks Ken!
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> -Carol P.
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> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
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> Twitter:  @CarolP222
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> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Gunnar Tapper <ta...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Neither. Keep the font the same for Apache and Trafodion. Bold them both.
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> On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 4:16 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
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> Perhaps we should try and see how lowercase with both placements look. The
> dragon on top looks better to many. We can take votes again J
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> *From:* Wei-Shiun Tsai [mailto:wei-shiun.tsai@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:13 PM
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> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
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> +1 for Dave’s and Hans’ suggestion.  Like the dragon to sit on the right,
> not on top of Trafodion.  But the font in #4 looks more professional
> (perhaps also in lower case).
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> Weishiun
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> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
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> Hi,
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> I like the font for option 4 (perhaps lower cased as Hans mentioned), but
> with the placement of option 6.
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> That said, either one is fine.
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> Dave
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> *From:* Eric Owhadi [mailto:eric.owhadi@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 3:02 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
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> +1 option 4
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> *From:* Anuradha Hegde [mailto:anuradha.hegde@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 4:57 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
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> +1 option 4
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> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:51 PM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
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> Seems like the dragon logo itself is a winner - most everyone liked that.
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> But the combined logo and name was definitely not popular.
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> Here are a couple of new suggestions for the combined logo and name.
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> Option 4
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> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4T3o3YVBDakNtQkU/view?usp=sharing
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> Option 6
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> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y082OHhNNXBwazA/view?usp=sharing
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> Don't ask for options 1-3, & 5 - they didn't make it passed my limited
> field testing!
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> Comments on 4 & 6?
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> Cheers, Ken
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 4:03 PM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
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> I’d say there is enough “curliness” going on with the dragon. So  we could
> try with a simple bold font  . Perhaps with an outline of a different color
> like Hadoop’s/Mahouts is and tie it in with the dragon’s colors as well.
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> *From:* Hans Zeller [mailto:hans.zeller@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 3:46 PM
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> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
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> +1 for the dragon as well. We used to have an informal logo with another
> somewhat cursive font, it shows in one of the carousel pictures on the
> trafodion.apache.org site. That might be better (although still not my
> favorite).
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> Hans
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ken Holt <kn...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> By the way, the size of the example logo is arbitrary.  The original is a
> vector graphics file that will scale up or down with no loss of quality,
> which I will make available when the debate has settled on something.
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> I'll make a stab at changing the font and size relative to the dragon and
> post another version of that.
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> Agree that separating the dragon from the name/font makes sense.
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> Cheers, Ken
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
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> +1 on dragon.
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Carol Pearson <ca...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> +1 on the Dragon!!!  Looks great!
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> On the writing, cursive is hard to read, so I'm up for replacing it
> separately.  Maybe we vote on each separately (as Sandhya and Amanda did)?
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> Voting separately is a good idea. Having engineers vote on 'designs' is
> always a tough one. Sounds like folks like the dragon but not the
> cursive... so suggest splitting out what we vote on so at least the dragon
> carries.
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> St.Ack
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> -Carol P.
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> Email:    carol.pearson234@gmail.com
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> Twitter:  @CarolP222
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Sandhya Sundaresan <
> sandhya.sundaresan@esgyn.com> wrote:
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> +1 for Dragon.
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> The Trafodion cursive writing and color  -1. IMHO we need to rework the
> writing for sure and try various colors. It’s looking cluttered and
> complicated with the cursive.
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> *From:* Amanda Moran [mailto:amanda.moran@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 10:13 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Logo Proposal
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> +10 for dragon! Very cute!
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> Not a huge fan of the cursive writing myself... but if everyone else
> likes... I give it a +0
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> On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Christophe LeRouzo <c....@esgyn.com>
> wrote:
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> Thanks Ken, the standalone dragon looks really good. It complements really
> well the yellow elephant!
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> Regards,
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> -clr
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> *From:* Dave Birdsall [mailto:dave.birdsall@esgyn.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:53 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* RE: Logo Proposal
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> Hi,
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> I like both. I do agree that the font for “Trafodion” makes a’s and o’s
> too much alike. Would be nice to switch to another font that doesn’t have
> that issue.
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> Dave
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> *From:* Ken Holt [mailto:knhknhknhknh@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> *To:* user@trafodion.incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Logo Proposal
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> Hi All,
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> Apache Trafodion needs a logo.
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> I believe there was some discussion about a logo for Trafodion quite some
> time ago, but we never really resolved it.  In the very early days of
> Trafodion, before becoming an Apache project (incubating) I devised a logo
> that leveraged the Welsh connection of the project name, and that was a
> simple cute dragon.
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> I now have a much improved version of that original logo and propose that
> we use this as the official Trafodion logo going forward.
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> Dragon standalone -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4QmttYnBzZDdFSTQ/view?usp=sharing
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> Trafodion name & dragon -
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9c1EkzsNnw4Y3RRdVQwb0owSFU/view?usp=sharing
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> I’m not thrilled with the font choice for “Trafodion” – the o’s and a’s
> look too similar.
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> Thoughts?  Should we vote on this?
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> Cheers, Ken
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> Thanks,
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> Gunnar
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> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
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> Thanks,
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> Gunnar
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> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
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> Regards, --Qifan
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> Regards, --Qifan
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> Thanks,
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> Gunnar
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> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*
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Thanks,

Gunnar
*If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*