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Re: OpenJDK is no more? [action required, please]

All,

I have created the PR to the official images folks for the new TomEE images.

https://github.com/docker-library/official-images/pull/12385

Please go out and look at the new tags.  I have included many tags so that users can be very selective on the images they wish to use.

If anyone has an issue, please comment here or in the PR.  This was very complicated and I hope I did not make a mistake, lol.

Thanks,
Rod.


On 5/2/22, 12:41 PM, "Zowalla, Richard" <ri...@hs-heilbronn.de> wrote:

    Thanks Rod!!

    Am Montag, dem 02.05.2022 um 17:33 +0000 schrieb Jenkins, Rodney J
    (Rod):
    > All,
    > 
    > I have added the Semeru images for Java 11 and 17 for TomEE 8 and 9.
    > 
    > Anything else anyone wants?
    > 
    > Thanks,
    > Rod.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    > On 4/30/22, 12:35 PM, "Zowalla, Richard" <
    > richard.zowalla@hs-heilbronn.de> wrote:
    > 
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    >     -----------------------------------------------------------------
    > -------------
    > 
    > 
    >     Maybe 11 + 17 for OpenJ9/Semeru? ;)
    > 
    >     Thanks.
    > 
    >     Gruß
    >     Richard
    >     ________________________________
    >     Von: Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod) <JE...@nationwide.com>
    >     Gesendet: Samstag, 30. April 2022 19:12:40
    >     An: dev@tomee.apache.org
    >     Betreff: Re: Re: Re: OpenJDK is no more?
    > 
    >     Alex,
    > 
    >     That explains why I did not see it, lol.
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >     All,
    > 
    >     I have created this PR for review:  
    > https://github.com/tomitribe/docker-tomee/pull/66
    > 
    >     This is not final, so if we want to add Semeru, I just need to
    > know what java versions we would like to add.
    > 
    >     Thank you,
    >     Rod.
    > 
    > 
    >     On 4/30/22, 11:16 AM, "Alex The Rocker" <al...@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    > 
    >         Nationwide Information Security Warning: This is an EXTERNAL
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    > 
    >         -------------------------------------------------------------
    > -----------------
    > 
    > 
    >         Hi Rod,
    > 
    >         You won't find any Semeru/OpenJ9 image based on Alpine,
    > because this
    >         JVM is not supporter on Alpine (alas...)
    > 
    >         Thanks,
    >         Alex
    > 
    >         Le sam. 30 avr. 2022 à 18:10, Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod)
    >         <JE...@nationwide.com> a écrit :
    >         >
    >         > Richard,
    >         >
    >         > I am fine with providing a Semeru/OpenJ9.  Would we want
    > that or 8, 11, and 17?
    >         >
    >         > I do not see an alpine image, so it would just be adding a
    > ubuntu image.
    >         >
    >         > Rod.
    >         >
    >         >
    >         > On 4/30/22, 1:30 AM, "Zowalla, Richard" <
    > richard.zowalla@hs-heilbronn.de> wrote:
    >         >
    >         >     Nationwide Information Security Warning: This is an
    > EXTERNAL email. Use CAUTION before clicking on links, opening
    > attachments, or responding. (Sender: 
    > dev-return-29375-JENKIR14=nationwide.com@tomee.apache.org)
    >         >
    >         >     -------------------------------------------------------
    > -----------------------
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >     Hi,
    >         >
    >         >     I think, that Alpine would be a great addition to
    > shrink the images
    >         >     sizes if it isn't too much work.
    >         >
    >         >     I am also wondering, if we should provide a
    > Semeru/OpenJ9
    >         >     runtime - but I guess, that there isn't too much need
    > for it, so it is
    >         >     super low prio :D
    >         >
    >         >     Gruß
    >         >     Richard
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >
    >         >     Am Freitag, dem 29.04.2022 um 21:18 +0000 schrieb
    > Jenkins, Rodney J
    >         >     (Rod):
    >         >     > Hello all,
    >         >     >
    >         >     > There is more information on the PR I noted earlier.
    >         >     >
    >         >     > Essentially, OpenJDK 17 is being dereplicated.  In
    > addition OpenJDK 8
    >         >     > and OpenJDK 11, "are not updated on an extreme
    > priority."
    >         >     >
    >         >     > Given this new information, I propose the following:
    >         >     > Move immediately to Temurin for Java 17.  (There have
    > been many +1
    >         >     > votes for this)
    >         >     > We add a Temurin option for Java 8 and 11 should we
    > lose support for
    >         >     > those.  We would still leave OpenJDK as the default.
    >         >     >
    >         >     > These additional images will be using Ubuntu as the
    > OS for
    >         >     > Temurin.  OpenJDK will stay with Debian.  As long as
    > we are on the
    >         >     > topic of OS, there has been demand for Alpine for
    > smaller images.  I
    >         >     > am also willing to add an Alpine option.
    >         >     >
    >         >     > I am going to start on these this weekend in hope of
    > having a PR
    >         >     > ready for review middle of next week.
    >         >     >
    >         >     > If anyone has thoughts or comments, please chime in.
    >         >     >
    >         >     > Thanks,
    >         >     > Rod.
    >         >     >
    >         >     >
    >         >     > On 4/27/22, 6:22 PM, "Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod)" <
    >         >     > JENKIR14@nationwide.com> wrote:
    >         >     >
    >         >     >     Nationwide Information Security Warning: This is
    > an EXTERNAL
    >         >     > email. Use CAUTION before clicking on links, opening
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    >         >     > responding. (Sender:
    >         >     > 
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    >         >     >
    >         >     >     -------------------------------------------------
    > ----------------
    >         >     > -------------
    >         >     >
    >         >     >
    >         >     >     All,
    >         >     >
    >         >     >     I was notified of the pull request below.  Long
    > story short:   We
    >         >     > need to choose a different JDK to run on our docker
    > images.
    >         >     >
    >         >     >     At the moment I'm not sure what all the choices
    > are.   When I
    >         >     > looked at this before, I suggested Eclipse Temurin.
    >         >     >
    >         >     >     Does anyone have a preference or others to
    > consider?
    >         >     >
    >         >     >     Thanks,
    >         >     >     Rod.
    >         >     >
    >         >     >
    >         >     >     
    > https://github.com/docker-library/openjdk/pull/495
    >         >     >
    >         >
    > 
    > 


Re: OpenJDK is no more? [action required, please]

Posted by "Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod)" <JE...@nationwide.com>.
All

A couple of days ago Tianon over at Official Images updated my PR with the following:

"Whew, you are not kidding - that is a very large matrix. It reminds me a lot of the tomcat list (https://github.com/docker-library/docs/blob/master/tomcat/README.md#supported-tags-and-respective-dockerfile-links) which is similarly totally out of control and we've been seriously considering slimming down to a very small set (like at most one variant per Tomcat version) and at most providing example Dockerfiles for users who need something outside the smaller matrix, because not only is it kind of obscene to maintain such a large matrix of possibilities, it also actively makes the life of users more difficult ("which tag should I use?", etc). 😬"


We may have to make some decisions in the future.  However, if we want to keep the options as we have them, David (or someone with clout) may want to explain/defend what we are doing.

For now, I am going to ask them to approve the PR, https://github.com/docker-library/official-images/pull/12385

Thanks,
Rod.



On 5/6/22, 9:57 PM, "Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod)" <JE...@nationwide.com> wrote:

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    All,

    I have created the PR to the official images folks for the new TomEE images.

    https://github.com/docker-library/official-images/pull/12385

    Please go out and look at the new tags.  I have included many tags so that users can be very selective on the images they wish to use.

    If anyone has an issue, please comment here or in the PR.  This was very complicated and I hope I did not make a mistake, lol.

    Thanks,
    Rod.


    On 5/2/22, 12:41 PM, "Zowalla, Richard" <ri...@hs-heilbronn.de> wrote:

        Thanks Rod!!

        Am Montag, dem 02.05.2022 um 17:33 +0000 schrieb Jenkins, Rodney J
        (Rod):
        > All,
        > 
        > I have added the Semeru images for Java 11 and 17 for TomEE 8 and 9.
        > 
        > Anything else anyone wants?
        > 
        > Thanks,
        > Rod.
        > 
        > 
        > 
        > On 4/30/22, 12:35 PM, "Zowalla, Richard" <
        > richard.zowalla@hs-heilbronn.de> wrote:
        > 
        >     Nationwide Information Security Warning: This is an EXTERNAL
        > email. Use CAUTION before clicking on links, opening attachments, or
        > responding. (Sender: 
        > dev-return-29380-JENKIR14=nationwide.com@tomee.apache.org)
        > 
        >     -----------------------------------------------------------------
        > -------------
        > 
        > 
        >     Maybe 11 + 17 for OpenJ9/Semeru? ;)
        > 
        >     Thanks.
        > 
        >     Gruß
        >     Richard
        >     ________________________________
        >     Von: Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod) <JE...@nationwide.com>
        >     Gesendet: Samstag, 30. April 2022 19:12:40
        >     An: dev@tomee.apache.org
        >     Betreff: Re: Re: Re: OpenJDK is no more?
        > 
        >     Alex,
        > 
        >     That explains why I did not see it, lol.
        > 
        > 
        > 
        >     All,
        > 
        >     I have created this PR for review:  
        > https://github.com/tomitribe/docker-tomee/pull/66
        > 
        >     This is not final, so if we want to add Semeru, I just need to
        > know what java versions we would like to add.
        > 
        >     Thank you,
        >     Rod.
        > 
        > 
        >     On 4/30/22, 11:16 AM, "Alex The Rocker" <al...@gmail.com>
        > wrote:
        > 
        >         Nationwide Information Security Warning: This is an EXTERNAL
        > email. Use CAUTION before clicking on links, opening attachments, or
        > responding. (Sender: 
        > dev-return-29378-JENKIR14=nationwide.com@tomee.apache.org)
        > 
        >         -------------------------------------------------------------
        > -----------------
        > 
        > 
        >         Hi Rod,
        > 
        >         You won't find any Semeru/OpenJ9 image based on Alpine,
        > because this
        >         JVM is not supporter on Alpine (alas...)
        > 
        >         Thanks,
        >         Alex
        > 
        >         Le sam. 30 avr. 2022 à 18:10, Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod)
        >         <JE...@nationwide.com> a écrit :
        >         >
        >         > Richard,
        >         >
        >         > I am fine with providing a Semeru/OpenJ9.  Would we want
        > that or 8, 11, and 17?
        >         >
        >         > I do not see an alpine image, so it would just be adding a
        > ubuntu image.
        >         >
        >         > Rod.
        >         >
        >         >
        >         > On 4/30/22, 1:30 AM, "Zowalla, Richard" <
        > richard.zowalla@hs-heilbronn.de> wrote:
        >         >
        >         >     Nationwide Information Security Warning: This is an
        > EXTERNAL email. Use CAUTION before clicking on links, opening
        > attachments, or responding. (Sender: 
        > dev-return-29375-JENKIR14=nationwide.com@tomee.apache.org)
        >         >
        >         >     -------------------------------------------------------
        > -----------------------
        >         >
        >         >
        >         >     Hi,
        >         >
        >         >     I think, that Alpine would be a great addition to
        > shrink the images
        >         >     sizes if it isn't too much work.
        >         >
        >         >     I am also wondering, if we should provide a
        > Semeru/OpenJ9
        >         >     runtime - but I guess, that there isn't too much need
        > for it, so it is
        >         >     super low prio :D
        >         >
        >         >     Gruß
        >         >     Richard
        >         >
        >         >
        >         >
        >         >     Am Freitag, dem 29.04.2022 um 21:18 +0000 schrieb
        > Jenkins, Rodney J
        >         >     (Rod):
        >         >     > Hello all,
        >         >     >
        >         >     > There is more information on the PR I noted earlier.
        >         >     >
        >         >     > Essentially, OpenJDK 17 is being dereplicated.  In
        > addition OpenJDK 8
        >         >     > and OpenJDK 11, "are not updated on an extreme
        > priority."
        >         >     >
        >         >     > Given this new information, I propose the following:
        >         >     > Move immediately to Temurin for Java 17.  (There have
        > been many +1
        >         >     > votes for this)
        >         >     > We add a Temurin option for Java 8 and 11 should we
        > lose support for
        >         >     > those.  We would still leave OpenJDK as the default.
        >         >     >
        >         >     > These additional images will be using Ubuntu as the
        > OS for
        >         >     > Temurin.  OpenJDK will stay with Debian.  As long as
        > we are on the
        >         >     > topic of OS, there has been demand for Alpine for
        > smaller images.  I
        >         >     > am also willing to add an Alpine option.
        >         >     >
        >         >     > I am going to start on these this weekend in hope of
        > having a PR
        >         >     > ready for review middle of next week.
        >         >     >
        >         >     > If anyone has thoughts or comments, please chime in.
        >         >     >
        >         >     > Thanks,
        >         >     > Rod.
        >         >     >
        >         >     >
        >         >     > On 4/27/22, 6:22 PM, "Jenkins, Rodney J (Rod)" <
        >         >     > JENKIR14@nationwide.com> wrote:
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     Nationwide Information Security Warning: This is
        > an EXTERNAL
        >         >     > email. Use CAUTION before clicking on links, opening
        > attachments, or
        >         >     > responding. (Sender:
        >         >     > 
        > dev-return-29359-JENKIR14=nationwide.com@tomee.apache.org)
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     -------------------------------------------------
        > ----------------
        >         >     > -------------
        >         >     >
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     All,
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     I was notified of the pull request below.  Long
        > story short:   We
        >         >     > need to choose a different JDK to run on our docker
        > images.
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     At the moment I'm not sure what all the choices
        > are.   When I
        >         >     > looked at this before, I suggested Eclipse Temurin.
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     Does anyone have a preference or others to
        > consider?
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     Thanks,
        >         >     >     Rod.
        >         >     >
        >         >     >
        >         >     >     
        > https://github.com/docker-library/openjdk/pull/495
        >         >     >
        >         >
        > 
        >