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Posted to dev@iceberg.apache.org by Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> on 2021/07/25 19:48:23 UTC
[DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Hi everyone,
A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone that
wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
Any objections?
Ryan
--
Ryan Blue
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Puneet Zaroo <pz...@netflix.com.INVALID>.
+1 from me too on moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space.
Thanks
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:19 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
wrote:
> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/> slack
> workspace
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a chance
>> to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how we
>> recommend communicating in the community.
>>
>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please
>> speak up!
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
>>> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation
>>>> link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>
>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's
>>>>> easy to join.
>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails,
>>>>> which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> PF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
>>>>>> Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
>>>>>> thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
>>>>>> so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone
>>>>>> that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>>>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Blue
>> Tabular
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
Okay, I’ve deployed the updated community page
<https://iceberg.apache.org/community/>. Please let me know if anyone has
problems with the link! The PR with these changes is #2904
<https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2904>.
I also went through the list of members and updated all of the PMC members
that had joined the community to admins. Not everyone was there, but I can
add more people as they sign up. Just let me know!
Ryan
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 4:43 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
> Great, thanks for the help here!
>
> It sounds like there's consensus to move to the apache-iceberg community
> since the only responses have been positive so far. So let's plan on moving.
>
> Carl made me an admin, so I'll invite the other PMC members as admins and
> I'll also create an invite link that doesn't expire and update the site
> with it.
>
> Thanks, everyone! Good to get this sorted out.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 7:59 AM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I was told the screenshot in my previous email doesn't show up, so
>> sharing it as link instead
>>
>> https://gist.github.com/findepi/68e6a141d6ea06049c33e85c5ccd5835#gistcomment-3835460
>>
>>
>> Best
>> PF
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 4:13 PM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> @Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> , where can one find at least a temporary
>>> signup link for apache-iceberg slack?
>>>
>>> Eduard, you can create a link that does not expire. You still need a new
>>> link every 2 thousand users joining.
>>> Below is an example what I see when creating a new invite link.
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best
>>> PF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:51 PM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The default invite link expires after 30 days, that's why I was looking
>>>> for alternatives. Maybe a slack admin can check if the invite link can be
>>>> configured to not expire.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 11:51 Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ryan,
>>>>>
>>>>> you should be able to create a semi-permanent invite link.
>>>>> in Trino, we are almost successful with a static link (see
>>>>> https://trino.io/slack.html)
>>>>> admittedly they still break on some occasions (not very often). I
>>>>> would imagine a custom sign up form could have some issues from time to
>>>>> time as well, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having said that, i haven't seen an invite link for apache-iceberg
>>>>> slack workspace yet, unless "https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/"
>>>>> was supposed to be it.
>>>>> For Trino slack the link is much longer, and looks like "
>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/trinodb/shared_invite/zt-sbw8lqer-DL3zksjpm6fyIsSQz74MBA
>>>>> ".
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> PF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a great idea, Jacques. I agree that the Slack community should
>>>>>> be controlled by the PMC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Jacques Nadeau <
>>>>>> jacquesnadeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that
>>>>>>> you make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
>>>>>>>> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
>>>>>>>> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
>>>>>>>> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
>>>>>>>> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <
>>>>>>>> russell.spitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg
>>>>>>>>> <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/> slack workspace
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a
>>>>>>>>>> chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how
>>>>>>>>>> we recommend communicating in the community.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space,
>>>>>>>>>> please speak up!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>>>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>>>>>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see
>>>>>>>>>>> PR#2882 <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken
>>>>>>>>>>>> invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>>>>>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as it's easy to join.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails, which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workspace for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time, we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF's Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't want to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without a way for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
>
--
Ryan Blue
Tabular
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
Great, thanks for the help here!
It sounds like there's consensus to move to the apache-iceberg community
since the only responses have been positive so far. So let's plan on moving.
Carl made me an admin, so I'll invite the other PMC members as admins and
I'll also create an invite link that doesn't expire and update the site
with it.
Thanks, everyone! Good to get this sorted out.
Ryan
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 7:59 AM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was told the screenshot in my previous email doesn't show up, so sharing
> it as link instead
>
> https://gist.github.com/findepi/68e6a141d6ea06049c33e85c5ccd5835#gistcomment-3835460
>
>
> Best
> PF
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 4:13 PM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> @Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> , where can one find at least a temporary
>> signup link for apache-iceberg slack?
>>
>> Eduard, you can create a link that does not expire. You still need a new
>> link every 2 thousand users joining.
>> Below is an example what I see when creating a new invite link.
>>
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> Best
>> PF
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:51 PM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The default invite link expires after 30 days, that's why I was looking
>>> for alternatives. Maybe a slack admin can check if the invite link can be
>>> configured to not expire.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 11:51 Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ryan,
>>>>
>>>> you should be able to create a semi-permanent invite link.
>>>> in Trino, we are almost successful with a static link (see
>>>> https://trino.io/slack.html)
>>>> admittedly they still break on some occasions (not very often). I would
>>>> imagine a custom sign up form could have some issues from time to time as
>>>> well, though.
>>>>
>>>> Having said that, i haven't seen an invite link for apache-iceberg
>>>> slack workspace yet, unless "https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/"
>>>> was supposed to be it.
>>>> For Trino slack the link is much longer, and looks like "
>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/trinodb/shared_invite/zt-sbw8lqer-DL3zksjpm6fyIsSQz74MBA
>>>> ".
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> PF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's a great idea, Jacques. I agree that the Slack community should
>>>>> be controlled by the PMC.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Jacques Nadeau <
>>>>> jacquesnadeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that
>>>>>> you make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
>>>>>>> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
>>>>>>> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
>>>>>>> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
>>>>>>> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <
>>>>>>> russell.spitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>
>>>>>>>> slack workspace
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a
>>>>>>>>> chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how
>>>>>>>>> we recommend communicating in the community.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space,
>>>>>>>>> please speak up!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>>>>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see
>>>>>>>>>> PR#2882 <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken
>>>>>>>>>>> invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>>>>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long
>>>>>>>>>>>> as it's easy to join.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> emails, which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack
>>>>>>>>>>>>> workspace for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time, we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF's Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after the self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't want to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us
>>>>>>>>>>>>> without a way for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our
>>>>>>>>>>>>> previous decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>
>>>>
--
Ryan Blue
Tabular
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>.
Hi,
I was told the screenshot in my previous email doesn't show up, so sharing
it as link instead
https://gist.github.com/findepi/68e6a141d6ea06049c33e85c5ccd5835#gistcomment-3835460
Best
PF
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 4:13 PM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> @Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> , where can one find at least a temporary
> signup link for apache-iceberg slack?
>
> Eduard, you can create a link that does not expire. You still need a new
> link every 2 thousand users joining.
> Below is an example what I see when creating a new invite link.
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
>
> Best
> PF
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:51 PM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The default invite link expires after 30 days, that's why I was looking
>> for alternatives. Maybe a slack admin can check if the invite link can be
>> configured to not expire.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 11:51 Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ryan,
>>>
>>> you should be able to create a semi-permanent invite link.
>>> in Trino, we are almost successful with a static link (see
>>> https://trino.io/slack.html)
>>> admittedly they still break on some occasions (not very often). I would
>>> imagine a custom sign up form could have some issues from time to time as
>>> well, though.
>>>
>>> Having said that, i haven't seen an invite link for apache-iceberg slack
>>> workspace yet, unless "https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/" was
>>> supposed to be it.
>>> For Trino slack the link is much longer, and looks like "
>>> https://join.slack.com/t/trinodb/shared_invite/zt-sbw8lqer-DL3zksjpm6fyIsSQz74MBA
>>> ".
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> PF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's a great idea, Jacques. I agree that the Slack community should
>>>> be controlled by the PMC.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Jacques Nadeau <
>>>> jacquesnadeau@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that
>>>>> you make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
>>>>>> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
>>>>>> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
>>>>>> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
>>>>>> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <
>>>>>> russell.spitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>
>>>>>>> slack workspace
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a
>>>>>>>> chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how
>>>>>>>> we recommend communicating in the community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space,
>>>>>>>> please speak up!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>>>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see
>>>>>>>>> PR#2882 <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken
>>>>>>>>>> invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>>>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long
>>>>>>>>>>> as it's easy to join.
>>>>>>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org
>>>>>>>>>>> emails, which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack
>>>>>>>>>>>> workspace for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At
>>>>>>>>>>>> the time, we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF's Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But
>>>>>>>>>>>> after the self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't want to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us
>>>>>>>>>>>> without a way for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our
>>>>>>>>>>>> previous decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>> Tabular
>>>>
>>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>.
Hi,
@Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> , where can one find at least a temporary
signup link for apache-iceberg slack?
Eduard, you can create a link that does not expire. You still need a new
link every 2 thousand users joining.
Below is an example what I see when creating a new invite link.
[image: image.png]
Best
PF
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:51 PM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
wrote:
> The default invite link expires after 30 days, that's why I was looking
> for alternatives. Maybe a slack admin can check if the invite link can be
> configured to not expire.
>
> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 11:51 Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ryan,
>>
>> you should be able to create a semi-permanent invite link.
>> in Trino, we are almost successful with a static link (see
>> https://trino.io/slack.html)
>> admittedly they still break on some occasions (not very often). I would
>> imagine a custom sign up form could have some issues from time to time as
>> well, though.
>>
>> Having said that, i haven't seen an invite link for apache-iceberg slack
>> workspace yet, unless "https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/" was
>> supposed to be it.
>> For Trino slack the link is much longer, and looks like "
>> https://join.slack.com/t/trinodb/shared_invite/zt-sbw8lqer-DL3zksjpm6fyIsSQz74MBA
>> ".
>>
>> Best,
>> PF
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>
>>> That's a great idea, Jacques. I agree that the Slack community should be
>>> controlled by the PMC.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Jacques Nadeau <ja...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that you
>>>> make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
>>>>> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
>>>>> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
>>>>> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
>>>>> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <
>>>>> russell.spitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>
>>>>>> slack workspace
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a
>>>>>>> chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how
>>>>>>> we recommend communicating in the community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space,
>>>>>>> please speak up!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see
>>>>>>>> PR#2882 <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken
>>>>>>>>> invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as
>>>>>>>>>> it's easy to join.
>>>>>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> emails, which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack
>>>>>>>>>>> workspace for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At
>>>>>>>>>>> the time, we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the
>>>>>>>>>>> ASF's Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But
>>>>>>>>>>> after the self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't want to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us
>>>>>>>>>>> without a way for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for
>>>>>>>>>>> someone that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our
>>>>>>>>>>> previous decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ryan Blue
>>> Tabular
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>.
The default invite link expires after 30 days, that's why I was looking for
alternatives. Maybe a slack admin can check if the invite link can be
configured to not expire.
On Thu, Jul 29, 2021, 11:51 Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com> wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> you should be able to create a semi-permanent invite link.
> in Trino, we are almost successful with a static link (see
> https://trino.io/slack.html)
> admittedly they still break on some occasions (not very often). I would
> imagine a custom sign up form could have some issues from time to time as
> well, though.
>
> Having said that, i haven't seen an invite link for apache-iceberg slack
> workspace yet, unless "https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/" was
> supposed to be it.
> For Trino slack the link is much longer, and looks like "
> https://join.slack.com/t/trinodb/shared_invite/zt-sbw8lqer-DL3zksjpm6fyIsSQz74MBA
> ".
>
> Best,
> PF
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>
>> That's a great idea, Jacques. I agree that the Slack community should be
>> controlled by the PMC.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Jacques Nadeau <ja...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that you
>>> make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>>>>
>>>> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
>>>> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
>>>> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
>>>> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
>>>> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <
>>>> russell.spitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>
>>>>> slack workspace
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a
>>>>>> chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how
>>>>>> we recommend communicating in the community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space,
>>>>>> please speak up!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
>>>>>>> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken
>>>>>>>> invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as
>>>>>>>>> it's easy to join.
>>>>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org
>>>>>>>>> emails, which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace
>>>>>>>>>> for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time,
>>>>>>>>>> we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's
>>>>>>>>>> Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>>>>>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>>>>>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>>>>>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for
>>>>>>>>>> someone that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our
>>>>>>>>>> previous decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>> Tabular
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Blue
>> Tabular
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>.
Ryan,
you should be able to create a semi-permanent invite link.
in Trino, we are almost successful with a static link (see
https://trino.io/slack.html)
admittedly they still break on some occasions (not very often). I would
imagine a custom sign up form could have some issues from time to time as
well, though.
Having said that, i haven't seen an invite link for apache-iceberg slack
workspace yet, unless "https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/" was
supposed to be it.
For Trino slack the link is much longer, and looks like "
https://join.slack.com/t/trinodb/shared_invite/zt-sbw8lqer-DL3zksjpm6fyIsSQz74MBA
".
Best,
PF
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 11:29 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
> That's a great idea, Jacques. I agree that the Slack community should be
> controlled by the PMC.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Jacques Nadeau <ja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that you
>> make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>
>>> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>>>
>>> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
>>> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
>>> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
>>> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
>>> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <
>>> russell.spitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>
>>>> slack workspace
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a
>>>>> chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how
>>>>> we recommend communicating in the community.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please
>>>>> speak up!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <
>>>>> eduard@dremio.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
>>>>>> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken
>>>>>>> invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as
>>>>>>>> it's easy to join.
>>>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org
>>>>>>>> emails, which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace
>>>>>>>>> for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time,
>>>>>>>>> we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's
>>>>>>>>> Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>>>>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>>>>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>>>>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone
>>>>>>>>> that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>>>>>>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>> Tabular
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ryan Blue
>>> Tabular
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
That's a great idea, Jacques. I agree that the Slack community should be
controlled by the PMC.
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41 AM Jacques Nadeau <ja...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that you
> make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>
>> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>>
>> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
>> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
>> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
>> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
>> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <
>> russell.spitzer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>
>>> slack workspace
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a
>>>> chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how
>>>> we recommend communicating in the community.
>>>>
>>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please
>>>> speak up!
>>>>
>>>> Ryan
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
>>>>> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken
>>>>>> invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as
>>>>>>> it's easy to join.
>>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails,
>>>>>>> which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace
>>>>>>>> for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time,
>>>>>>>> we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's
>>>>>>>> Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>>>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>>>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>>>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone
>>>>>>>> that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>>>>>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>> Tabular
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Blue
>> Tabular
>>
>
--
Ryan Blue
Tabular
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Jacques Nadeau <ja...@gmail.com>.
My one recommendation would be that if you go off Apache infra that you
make sure all the PMC members are admins of the new account.
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:35 AM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
> No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
>
> I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
> community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
> can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
> realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
> refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <ru...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>
>> slack workspace
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a chance
>>> to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how we
>>> recommend communicating in the community.
>>>
>>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please
>>> speak up!
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
>>>> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation
>>>>> link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as
>>>>>> it's easy to join.
>>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails,
>>>>>> which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> PF
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace
>>>>>>> for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time,
>>>>>>> we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's
>>>>>>> Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone
>>>>>>> that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>>>>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ryan Blue
>>> Tabular
>>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
No problem, the site hasn't been deployed yet.
I've also looked a bit into the invite issue for the apache-iceberg
community and I think we should be able to set something up so that people
can invite themselves. Thanks for raising this as an issue, Piotr. I didn't
realize that the shared invite URLs expire quickly. We'll either keep that
refreshed or set up a self-invite form.
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 8:23 AM Russell Spitzer <ru...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
>
> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
> wrote:
>
> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/> slack
> workspace
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a chance
>> to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how we
>> recommend communicating in the community.
>>
>> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please
>> speak up!
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Could we just update the slack link to
>>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
>>> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation
>>>> link, I think we should move asap.
>>>>
>>>> -Jack Ye
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <
>>>> piotr@starburstdata.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's
>>>>> easy to join.
>>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails,
>>>>> which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> PF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
>>>>>> Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
>>>>>> thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
>>>>>> so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone
>>>>>> that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>>>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Blue
>> Tabular
>>
>
>
--
Ryan Blue
Tabular
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Russell Spitzer <ru...@gmail.com>.
+1 Also I merged the change, sorry if that was premature.
> On Jul 28, 2021, at 10:19 AM, Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com> wrote:
>
> +1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/> slack workspace
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <blue@tabular.io <ma...@tabular.io>> wrote:
> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a chance to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how we recommend communicating in the community.
>
> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please speak up!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <eduard@dremio.com <ma...@dremio.com>> wrote:
> Could we just update the slack link to https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ <https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/> on the website (see PR#2882 <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <yezhaoqin@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation link, I think we should move asap.
>
> -Jack Ye
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <piotr@starburstdata.com <ma...@starburstdata.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's easy to join.
> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org <http://apache.org/> emails, which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>
> Best,
> PF
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <blue@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack, so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>
> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com <http://apache-iceberg.slack.com/>.
>
> Any objections?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>.
+1 moving to the apache-iceberg <https://apache-iceberg.slack.com/> slack
workspace
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 5:16 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io> wrote:
> Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a chance
> to speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how we
> recommend communicating in the community.
>
> If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please
> speak up!
>
> Ryan
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Could we just update the slack link to
>> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
>> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation
>>> link, I think we should move asap.
>>>
>>> -Jack Ye
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's
>>>> easy to join.
>>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails,
>>>> which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> PF
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
>>>>> Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
>>>>> thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
>>>>> so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone
>>>>> that wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>>
>>>>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
> Tabular
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Ryan Blue <bl...@tabular.io>.
Yes, we can update the Slack link. But we want to give everyone a chance to
speak up either in support or not before we make changes to how we
recommend communicating in the community.
If you're in favor of moving to the apache-iceberg Slack space, please
speak up!
Ryan
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 12:51 AM Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>
wrote:
> Could we just update the slack link to
> https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
> <https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
>
> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation
>> link, I think we should move asap.
>>
>> -Jack Ye
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's
>>> easy to join.
>>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails,
>>> which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> PF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
>>>> Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
>>>> thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
>>>> so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>>
>>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone that
>>>> wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>>
>>>> Any objections?
>>>>
>>>> Ryan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ryan Blue
>>>>
>>>
--
Ryan Blue
Tabular
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Eduard Tudenhoefner <ed...@dremio.com>.
Could we just update the slack link to
https://join.slack.com/t/apache-iceberg/ on the website (see PR#2882
<https://github.com/apache/iceberg/pull/2882>)?
On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 7:13 AM Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation
> link, I think we should move asap.
>
> -Jack Ye
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's
>> easy to join.
>> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
>> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails,
>> which some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
>> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>>
>> Best,
>> PF
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
>>> Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
>>> thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
>>> so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>>
>>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone that
>>> wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>>
>>> Any objections?
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ryan Blue
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Jack Ye <ye...@gmail.com>.
Any updates on this? Given the fact of the currently broken invitation
link, I think we should move asap.
-Jack Ye
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 2:15 AM Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's
> easy to join.
> Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
> Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails, which
> some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
> Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
>
> Best,
> PF
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
>> Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
>> thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
>> so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
>> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
>> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
>> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>>
>> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone that
>> wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
>> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>>
>> Any objections?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ryan Blue
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving to apache-iceberg Slack workspace
Posted by Piotr Findeisen <pi...@starburstdata.com>.
Hi,
I don't have opinion which Slack workspace this is in, as long as it's easy
to join.
Manual joining process is not healthy for sure.
Btw, the apache-iceberg is currently limited to @apache.org emails, which
some people do not have (e.g. i do not).
Will you be sharing an invite link or something?
Best,
PF
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 9:48 PM Ryan Blue <bl...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> A few weeks ago, we talked about whether to use a Slack workspace for
> Iceberg or whether to continue using the ASF's workspace. At the time, we
> thought it was possible for anyone to invite themselves to the ASF's Slack,
> so we thought it would be best to use the common one. But after the
> self-invite link broke recently, we found out that ASF infra doesn't want
> to fix the link anymore because of spammers, which leaves us without a way
> for people to join us on Slack without requesting an invite.
>
> I think that requesting an invite is too much friction for someone that
> wants to join this community, so I propose we reconsider our previous
> decision and move to apache-iceberg.slack.com.
>
> Any objections?
>
> Ryan
>
>
> --
> Ryan Blue
>