How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

[Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it>]

Hi all,

based on past comments in this list I'd like to add that this is a 
pre-built release (e.g. the objects and Derby demo database are already 
set up and packaged in the distribution); we did this because it can 
take up to 20 minutes (with slower hardware) to build the whole project 
from scratch and this could waste too much of your (and that of the 
persons that just want to give a look at it) time.
However, if you want to play with a clean source distribution (for 
example, if you want to run the RAT tool etc...), just run the 
"clean-all" ant script: all the objects and the db will be removed.

Jacopo


David E Jones wrote:
> 
> The OFBiz podling (PPMC and community) has reached a consensus 
> internally approving the 4.0.0 TS5 test snapshot release. We are now 
> requesting a vote for review and approval from the general Incubator 
> group and the Incubator PMC.
> 
> The current incubation docs recommend doing this sort of "test snapshot" 
> release, and it appears from recent conversations that this will most 
> likely soon be required for all podlings nearing graduation. Based on 
> our experience this has been a valuable exercise and through these 5 
> tries we have made significant improvements to the legal and other 
> aspects of OFBiz and eventual releases. You'll recognize most of this 
> from the similar message I sent on September 22nd for our TS3. Thanks to 
> feedback from various people (especially Robert Burrell Duncan and the 
> RAT tool) we have corrected many license header issues and fleshed out 
> the NOTICE file, which are now both hopefully up to par.
> 
> The intent of this "release" is not to be something that will be 
> maintained over time or used be end-users of the project, and there is 
> no branch for it in SVN. Our goal with this test snapshot release was to 
> create an initial release process and make sure that all of the 
> artifacts are in place as needed. This includes:
> 
> - all license headers and copyright notices in place (ASL2 headers)
> - no remaining old copyright notices or headers
> - NOTICE, LICENSE, KEYS, et cetera files in place
> - test proper zip and tgz files, plus the md5 and asc files for each
> - put README file and other such things in place to make it (hopefully) 
> easy for an end user to run OOTB
> 
> Based on what has been established as part of this test snapshot 
> experience we plan to do a real release (version 4.0.0) after graduation 
> with a branch and such that will be maintained over time and that is 
> meant to be used by end-users, but those (again) are not the intents of 
> this test snapshot release.
> 
> The files for the release are available in my people.apache.org account, 
> see the links below for detailed locations.
> 
> -David
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip
> http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip.md5
> http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.zip.asc
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz
> http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.md5
> http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.asc
> 
> 
> 
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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

[Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>]

Unless we change the name to "open binary", I'm going to agree with  
Robert and Justin. Source releases are "what we're about" here.

Craig

On Nov 4, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

> On 11/4/06, robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>> the same way it's used for any other project: as a record of the  
>> exact
>> source that created the binary distributions. the source is the
>> release. the binaries are conveniences for users.
>
> +1.  -- justin
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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

[Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>]

On 11/4/06, robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the same way it's used for any other project: as a record of the exact
> source that created the binary distributions. the source is the
> release. the binaries are conveniences for users.

+1.  -- justin

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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

[robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>]

On 11/4/06, David E Jones <jo...@undersunconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Robert, others interested,
>
> I'm still not sure whether or not we will want to do this going
> forward because I'm not sure how a source distribution would be used
> for a project like OFBiz.

the same way it's used for any other project: as a record of the exact
source that created the binary distributions. the source is the
release. the binaries are conveniences for users.

> Still, if there is any demand for it then I agree we should do it.

there's already demand from people on this list. we like source :-)

in addition, downstream packagers prefer source distributions so they
can patch and package them for their particular target platforms.

- robert

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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

[David E Jones <jo...@undersunconsulting.com>]

Robert, others interested,

I'm still not sure whether or not we will want to do this going  
forward because I'm not sure how a source distribution would be used  
for a project like OFBiz. Still, if there is any demand for it then I  
agree we should do it.

However we go in the future, this would be a good thing to include in  
our Test Snapshot process, so I've added src distribution files for  
this release.

They are listed on the release page here:

http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/wAE

For convenience I'll including the URLs below as well.

Thanks again to everyone for reviewing this and for help in moving  
OFBiz through the incubation process.

-David

http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.tgz
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.asc
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.tgz.md5
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.zip
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.zip.asc
http://people.apache.org/~jonesde/apache-ofbiz-incubating- 
src-4.0.0.TS5.zip.md5



On Nov 4, 2006, at 5:20 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote:

> On 11/2/06, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>
> hi Jacopo
>
>> based on past comments in this list I'd like to add that this is a
>> pre-built release (e.g. the objects and Derby demo database are  
>> already
>> set up and packaged in the distribution); we did this because it can
>> take up to 20 minutes (with slower hardware) to build the whole  
>> project
>> from scratch and this could waste too much of your (and that of the
>> persons that just want to give a look at it) time.
>
> i think some confusion has arisen over the terms we use.
>
> in apache terms, a source distribution is a plain export from the
> source repository whereas a binary distribution is anything else. lots
> of projects here ship binary releases with source in: just because a
> release contains some source it doesn't make it a source distribution
>
> binary distributions are mainly for the convenience of users.
>
> source distributions target other audiences including (potential)
> developers, downstream packagers and archivists. they are quick and
> easy to create (all the release manager needs to do is export the tag
> and compress) so it's recommended that source distributions are
> produced for each release as well as any binaries.
>
>> However, if you want to play with a clean source distribution (for
>> example, if you want to run the RAT tool etc...), just run the
>> "clean-all" ant script: all the objects and the db will be removed.
>
> run RAT against binary and source distributions of a release but not
> very many binary checks have been automated yet.
>
> - robert
>
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Re: How to get a source OFBiz release WAS: [VOTE] OFBiz Test Snapshot Release: 4.0.0 TS5

[robert burrell donkin <ro...@gmail.com>]

On 11/2/06, Jacopo Cappellato <ti...@sastau.it> wrote:
> Hi all,

hi Jacopo

> based on past comments in this list I'd like to add that this is a
> pre-built release (e.g. the objects and Derby demo database are already
> set up and packaged in the distribution); we did this because it can
> take up to 20 minutes (with slower hardware) to build the whole project
> from scratch and this could waste too much of your (and that of the
> persons that just want to give a look at it) time.

i think some confusion has arisen over the terms we use.

in apache terms, a source distribution is a plain export from the
source repository whereas a binary distribution is anything else. lots
of projects here ship binary releases with source in: just because a
release contains some source it doesn't make it a source distribution

binary distributions are mainly for the convenience of users.

source distributions target other audiences including (potential)
developers, downstream packagers and archivists. they are quick and
easy to create (all the release manager needs to do is export the tag
and compress) so it's recommended that source distributions are
produced for each release as well as any binaries.

> However, if you want to play with a clean source distribution (for
> example, if you want to run the RAT tool etc...), just run the
> "clean-all" ant script: all the objects and the db will be removed.

run RAT against binary and source distributions of a release but not
very many binary checks have been automated yet.

- robert

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