RE: [VOTE] Ant Taglib Update, Committer, Taglib Documenting, Jaka rta Taglib App

[Mi...@epiphany.com]

I have one problem with your "Ant" taglib:  the name.  

I'm concerned that the "Ant" taglib will not remain completely compatible
with the actual Jakarta Ant project (especially since it doesn't actually
use Ant for its implementation).  Will all the tasks in Jakarta Ant be
provided in the taglib?  All the attributes for each of those tasks (with no
extra attributes)?  What about the notion of targets and dependencies?  With
Ant 2.0, there may be some notion of cross project dependencies.  Will this
jave a JSP tag that amounts to a jsp include or something like that?  Is
this taglib just creating a JSP version of the build.xml file?  Is that
necessary?

If it's not 100% compatible, I can't justify it using the Ant name, and can
only imagine the confusion it may cause.  Don't get me wrong, I think that
file manipulation stuff (gzip, mkdir, etc.) is probably a good idea for a
tag library.  I can also see a *long term* Ant tag library, but not until
Ant 2.0 is solidified.  Ant then the tag library would just be manipulations
of running an *actual* ant (with a seprate build.xml file or build.ant or
whatever it ends up being) and retrieving/displaying the results.

I'm not a committer on the Jakarta Taglibs project (or Jakarta Ant for that
matter), so I don't have a binding vote, but here's my take anyway:

+0 for adding the proposed "ant" taglib
-1 for using the "ant" name for the taglib

regards,
michael 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Nielsen [mailto:glenn@voyager.apg.more.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:31 AM
> To: taglibs-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: [VOTE] Ant Taglib Update, Committer, Taglib Documenting,
> Jakarta Taglib App
> 
> 
> 
> +1 for adding Scott as a taglib committer
> +1 for adding the ant taglib
> +1 for letting Scott implement using XML/XSLT to generate taglib docs.
> 
> Thanks Scott!
> 
> Glenn
> 
> "Scott M. Stirling" wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Ant Taglib Update & Commit(ter):
> > I am attaching an updated Ant JSP taglib, partly just to 
> make an excuse
> > for "officially" asking for something.  I see I can ask to 
> be voted as a
> > committer to this project.  I would like to ask now, if the existing
> > committers will have it.  In tandem with that, I'd like to 
> propose to
> > have the Ant taglib committed to CVS (regardless of how the vote for
> > committer turns out).
> > 
> > I've updated the Ant taglib with the <tstamp/> tag, which 
> operates as it
> > does in Ant.  It creates the usual three properties 
> (scripting variables
> > here, to be JSP-like): TSTAMP, DSTAMP, and TODAY.  I'd like 
> comments on
> > whether anyone thinks the <tstamp/> tag's scripting vars should have
> > scope attributes.  Right now they default to page.  I'll be 
> working on
> > the taglib some more this weekend.  One of my first goals now is to
> > implement the Fileset and Pattern functionality, since 
> oodles of other
> > tasks ride on those being implemented.
> > 
> > I saw Glenn Nielsen updating the build.xml files in CVS for all the
> > taglibs.  I had already done that for the ant taglib, so that's done
> > too.
> > 
> > Taglib Documenting:
> > On a related note, I updated the taglib-docs.xsl I used to 
> auto-gen my
> > HTML and TLD docs.  It now tests for the presence or absence of tag
> > attributes and gens more appropriate HTML than before (you 
> used to get
> > an empty table in HTML if no attributes were present).  Comments in
> > <usage> elements are also handled so that if you don't use one, you
> > don't get empty blue comment tags in your HTML.  I'll 
> continuing hacking
> > on this as I go forward with the Ant taglib.  It sure is 
> handy to have
> > it all generated this way.  I promise tomorrow I'll take at 
> least one of
> > the existing taglibs that has out-of-date HTML doc and 
> update it with
> > this and send it back.  In fact, I'd have no problem 
> converting all of
> > them.
> > 
> > Jakarta Taglib App:
> > Final question, what do you think about examples that show 
> inter-taglib
> > interactions?  For (minor) example, one could use the page taglib to
> > show how tags in different taglibs can interact by using the
> > <page:attribute> tag to get the <tstamp/> vars set in the 
> pageContext.
> > But I was hesitant to do it because then I'd have to 
> include the page
> > taglib jar and configuration info in the Ant taglib.  So I 
> was thinking
> > about a common app that people could download, but that showed the
> > interactions among multiple Jakarta tag libraries.  It would be
> > interesting to see how much of a Web app we can put 
> together with these
> > now.  I think when the JDBC taglib hits the CVS, we'll be capable of
> > building something interesting.  It could be bundled with 
> HypersonicSQL,
> > pre-configured and ready to go out of the box.
> > 
> > Thanks for your consideration and time.
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Scott Stirling
> > West Newton, MA
> > 
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