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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Ricardo Ramos <ba...@gmail.com> on 2009/07/26 07:19:20 UTC
Struts vs Other competitors
Hi!
Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts 2 vs.
Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..?
The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring and
Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the following
years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the
state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and read
some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis.
Any suggestions?
Best regards,
RR
Re: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by mu...@aol.com.
It is not clear how one gets to help -- I have submitted bugs with fixes a few times and then wondered
what to do next so they sit there and ferment ...
Chris
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From: Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>
To: Struts Users Mailing List <us...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Tue, Jul 28, 2009 12:33 am
Subject: Re: Struts vs Other competitors
I would say the biggest help we can get right now is on the
documentation and get help testing releases. One thing I have always
seems lacking in the struts community, is support from users to help
testing releases *before* they are actually released.
As for coordinating effort, I am not sure it would work (besides the
usual.."hey I am working on this cool X thing.." email in dev@), I
think that working as volunteers doesn't fit well with commitment
because we also have other priorities, you know, like playing video
games and stuff :)
musachy
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Zoran
Avtarovski<zo...@sparecreative.com> wrote:
> I have to agree. Our touch with the JSF Oracle was both painful and
> fruitless and lead us to truly appreciate how bad things could be.
>
> Having said that, I think Martin has raised some points about how S2 can be
> improved and I think S2 is at a stage where there needs to be some general
> discussion on where all interested parties (devs and users) think the
> framework should be heading and where there are deficiencies.
>
> I for one think, that with=2
0S2¹s improved plugin architecture, there is a
> huge amount of scope in what can be achieved. We need a few key people to
> guide the process. I know my biggest fear is over committing and not having
> the time to deliver. If there was a centralised coordinator who could
> organise a second tier of developers, for example, who can help on a smaller
> scale then I believe more of the niche development could be achieved.
>
> Z.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Andrey Rogov<st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes us
>>> > transition to JSF.
>>
>> I think many, many people have crossed that bridge and came back in
>> rush after a while.
>>
>> musachy
>
>
>
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Re: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Zoran Avtarovski <zo...@sparecreative.com>.
Sadly, I have kids so I either have no time for video games or can¹t get
access to the gear. My past time is daydreaming about having a past time.
As for testing, and documentation these tasks are as valid as any others,
but again the problem from my perspective, and I don¹t mean that in a
negative way, is finding which tasks need to be done. I have so much trouble
navigating through the dev management part of the site. I guess what I was
trying to say is that if the outstanding items could be broken down in
manageable tasks, I¹d find it much less intimidating to take them on.
Z.
>
> I would say the biggest help we can get right now is on the
> documentation and get help testing releases. One thing I have always
> seems lacking in the struts community, is support from users to help
> testing releases *before* they are actually released.
>
> As for coordinating effort, I am not sure it would work (besides the
> usual.."hey I am working on this cool X thing.." email in dev@), I
> think that working as volunteers doesn't fit well with commitment
> because we also have other priorities, you know, like playing video
> games and stuff :)
>
> musachy
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Zoran
> Avtarovski<zo...@sparecreative.com> wrote:
>> > I have to agree. Our touch with the JSF Oracle was both painful and
>> > fruitless and lead us to truly appreciate how bad things could be.
>> >
>> > Having said that, I think Martin has raised some points about how S2 can be
>> > improved and I think S2 is at a stage where there needs to be some general
>> > discussion on where all interested parties (devs and users) think the
>> > framework should be heading and where there are deficiencies.
>> >
>> > I for one think, that with S2¹s improved plugin architecture, there is a
>> > huge amount of scope in what can be achieved. We need a few key people to
>> > guide the process. I know my biggest fear is over committing and not having
>> > the time to deliver. If there was a centralised coordinator who could
>> > organise a second tier of developers, for example, who can help on a
>> smaller
>> > scale then I believe more of the niche development could be achieved.
>> >
>> > Z.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Andrey Rogov<st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >>> > I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods
>>>>> makes us
>>>>> >>> > transition to JSF.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think many, many people have crossed that bridge and came back in
>>> >> rush after a while.
>>> >>
>>> >> musachy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
Re: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>.
I would say the biggest help we can get right now is on the
documentation and get help testing releases. One thing I have always
seems lacking in the struts community, is support from users to help
testing releases *before* they are actually released.
As for coordinating effort, I am not sure it would work (besides the
usual.."hey I am working on this cool X thing.." email in dev@), I
think that working as volunteers doesn't fit well with commitment
because we also have other priorities, you know, like playing video
games and stuff :)
musachy
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 8:35 PM, Zoran
Avtarovski<zo...@sparecreative.com> wrote:
> I have to agree. Our touch with the JSF Oracle was both painful and
> fruitless and lead us to truly appreciate how bad things could be.
>
> Having said that, I think Martin has raised some points about how S2 can be
> improved and I think S2 is at a stage where there needs to be some general
> discussion on where all interested parties (devs and users) think the
> framework should be heading and where there are deficiencies.
>
> I for one think, that with S2¹s improved plugin architecture, there is a
> huge amount of scope in what can be achieved. We need a few key people to
> guide the process. I know my biggest fear is over committing and not having
> the time to deliver. If there was a centralised coordinator who could
> organise a second tier of developers, for example, who can help on a smaller
> scale then I believe more of the niche development could be achieved.
>
> Z.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Andrey Rogov<st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes us
>>> > transition to JSF.
>>
>> I think many, many people have crossed that bridge and came back in
>> rush after a while.
>>
>> musachy
>
>
>
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Re: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
The phrase "OH GOD KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE!" has been heard exclaimed
in relation to JSF on more than one occassion.
--
Frank W. Zammetti
Author of "Practical Ext JS Projects with Gears"
and "Practical Dojo Projects"
and "Practical DWR 2 Projects"
and "Practical JavaScript, DOM Scripting and Ajax Projects"
and "Practical Ajax Projects with Java Technology"
(For info: apress.com/book/search?searchterm=zammetti&act=search)
All you could possibly want is here: zammetti.com
On Mon, July 27, 2009 12:07 pm, Musachy Barroso wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Andrey Rogov<st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes
>> us
>> transition to JSF.
>
> I think many, many people have crossed that bridge and came back in
> rush after a while.
>
> musachy
>
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Re: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Zoran Avtarovski <zo...@sparecreative.com>.
I have to agree. Our touch with the JSF Oracle was both painful and
fruitless and lead us to truly appreciate how bad things could be.
Having said that, I think Martin has raised some points about how S2 can be
improved and I think S2 is at a stage where there needs to be some general
discussion on where all interested parties (devs and users) think the
framework should be heading and where there are deficiencies.
I for one think, that with S2¹s improved plugin architecture, there is a
huge amount of scope in what can be achieved. We need a few key people to
guide the process. I know my biggest fear is over committing and not having
the time to deliver. If there was a centralised coordinator who could
organise a second tier of developers, for example, who can help on a smaller
scale then I believe more of the niche development could be achieved.
Z.
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Andrey Rogov<st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes us
>> > transition to JSF.
>
> I think many, many people have crossed that bridge and came back in
> rush after a while.
>
> musachy
Re: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 4:42 AM, Andrey Rogov<st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes us
> transition to JSF.
I think many, many people have crossed that bridge and came back in
rush after a while.
musachy
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RE: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
first started using struts in 02 and have been a strong advocate of Struts implementations since
I believe the incorporation of Ajax enabled Dojo controls and interceptor call stack from freemarker pushed usability
of Struts ahead of JSF in those areas
unfortunately Struts RAD tools are not as well developed as JSF so teaching Struts to new college grads who use only IDEs is not so easy..also the addressing of bug assignments and what gets accomplished has devolved since Craig and Tad left..incorporation of IOC technologies such as Spring gravitates to Spring accomodates Struts
instead of the other way around
Oracle/Sun JDeveloper IDE seem to be gaining marketshare on Eclipse.. combined with easy WAR/EAR deploy to either Weblogic or Glassfish the details of a j2ee ejb-configuration and incorporating connection-pools and Persistence architectures are easily handled by user-friendly UI gracefully which populate deployment descriptors
In Academia Struts seems to have the lead but measuring actual business revenue JSF seems to edge iut Struts as managers prefer a Oracle or Sun backed product
support is another matter as the the 2 JSF support avenues i know of are tomcat-users-list or glassfish-users-list
where the expertise is more on tc container configurations, tweaking perm-gen, using asadmin instead of
how do i get a faces control to receive JSON formatted response back to my div tag
JSF's component based event handlers works well for folks coming from .NET but i wonder about the overhead
what do others think of jsf?
Martin Gainty
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> From: strutsua@gmail.com
> To: user@struts.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:42:06 +0300
>
> Thank you Martin,
>
> Sooner or later we start considering programming as business.
> It's critical to develop new products or new versions with parameters that
> would be faster, more quality and less expensive.
> I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes us
> transition to JSF.
> I think that big companies are destined to make this step to
> increase the customer base and to be able to offer high quality
> services. I liked ADF very much, primarily for its visual development
> environment, quantity of objects, code generation and quality of
> applications. Today I'm spending extra time to transition to JSF+ADF
> ASAP.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:01 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
>
>
> support for Toplink
> support for EJB3.0
> the struts plugin-extension is for Struts1 core development and UML
> diagramming editor
> so if you want to use JDev IDE you'll only see support for Struts and not
> Struts2
> good support for JSF-faces ..the JSF chair is a Sun Senior Fellow and since
> Sun was just purchased by Oracle
>
> this describes incorporating Struts1 extension
> http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/tips/mills/struts_diagram.htm
> l
>
> what is your impression of ADF?
> Martin
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> > From: strutsua@gmail.com
> > To: user@struts.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
> > Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:59:25 +0300
> >
> > Martin,
> > What do you think about Oracle ADF ?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:42 PM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
> >
> >
> > Raible rated Struts as "poor support"
> >
> > support in JSF is based on implementing container: e.g. glassfish users
> > group or tomcat users group..
> > usually all questions are answered in TC but not so with GF
> > Struts is Front Controller based ..basically one event/one request
> > JSF is Page Controller n events are parsed from one Request
> > In Struts navigation is tied to Action
> > in JSF navigation is tied to Page
> > http://websphere.sys-con.com/node/46516
> >
> > ASP.NET is specific to Microsoft platforms which means 75% of the
> installed
> > servers cannot run it
> >
> > Martin Gainty
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> >
> > > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:31:18 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: Struts vs Other competitors
> > > From: musachy@gmail.com
> > > To: user@struts.apache.org
> > >
> > > dig around Matt Raible's blog/presentations, he has plenty of stuff
> > > related to that.
> > >
> > > musachy
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ricardo
> > > Ramos<ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts
> 2
> > vs.
> > > > Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..?
> > > >
> > > > The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring
> > and
> > > > Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the
> > following
> > > > years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the
> > > > state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and
> > read
> > > > some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis.
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestions?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > RR
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Andrey Rogov <st...@gmail.com>.
Thank you Martin,
Sooner or later we start considering programming as business.
It's critical to develop new products or new versions with parameters that
would be faster, more quality and less expensive.
I agree with Matt Rable that JSF programming based on RAD methods makes us
transition to JSF.
I think that big companies are destined to make this step to
increase the customer base and to be able to offer high quality
services. I liked ADF very much, primarily for its visual development
environment, quantity of objects, code generation and quality of
applications. Today I'm spending extra time to transition to JSF+ADF
ASAP.
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2009 5:01 AM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
support for Toplink
support for EJB3.0
the struts plugin-extension is for Struts1 core development and UML
diagramming editor
so if you want to use JDev IDE you'll only see support for Struts and not
Struts2
good support for JSF-faces ..the JSF chair is a Sun Senior Fellow and since
Sun was just purchased by Oracle
this describes incorporating Struts1 extension
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/tips/mills/struts_diagram.htm
l
what is your impression of ADF?
Martin
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> From: strutsua@gmail.com
> To: user@struts.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:59:25 +0300
>
> Martin,
> What do you think about Oracle ADF ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:42 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
>
>
> Raible rated Struts as "poor support"
>
> support in JSF is based on implementing container: e.g. glassfish users
> group or tomcat users group..
> usually all questions are answered in TC but not so with GF
> Struts is Front Controller based ..basically one event/one request
> JSF is Page Controller n events are parsed from one Request
> In Struts navigation is tied to Action
> in JSF navigation is tied to Page
> http://websphere.sys-con.com/node/46516
>
> ASP.NET is specific to Microsoft platforms which means 75% of the
installed
> servers cannot run it
>
> Martin Gainty
> ______________________________________________
> Jogi és Bizalmassági kinyilatkoztatás/Verzicht und
> Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité
> Ez az
> üzenet bizalmas. Ha nem ön az akinek szánva volt, akkor kérjük, hogy
> jelentse azt nekünk vissza. Semmiféle továbbítása vagy másolatának
> készítése nem megengedett. Ez az üzenet csak ismeret cserét szolgál és
> semmiféle jogi alkalmazhatósága sincs. Mivel az electronikus üzenetek
> könnyen megváltoztathatóak, ezért minket semmi felelöség nem terhelhet
> ezen üzenet tartalma miatt.
>
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>
>
> > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:31:18 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Struts vs Other competitors
> > From: musachy@gmail.com
> > To: user@struts.apache.org
> >
> > dig around Matt Raible's blog/presentations, he has plenty of stuff
> > related to that.
> >
> > musachy
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ricardo
> > Ramos<ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts
2
> vs.
> > > Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..?
> > >
> > > The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring
> and
> > > Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the
> following
> > > years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the
> > > state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and
> read
> > > some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > RR
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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RE: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
support for Toplink
support for EJB3.0
the struts plugin-extension is for Struts1 core development and UML diagramming editor
so if you want to use JDev IDE you'll only see support for Struts and not Struts2
good support for JSF-faces ..the JSF chair is a Sun Senior Fellow and since Sun was just purchased by Oracle
this describes incorporating Struts1 extension
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/jdev/tips/mills/struts_diagram.html
what is your impression of ADF?
Martin
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> From: strutsua@gmail.com
> To: user@struts.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:59:25 +0300
>
> Martin,
> What do you think about Oracle ADF ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:42 PM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
>
>
> Raible rated Struts as "poor support"
>
> support in JSF is based on implementing container: e.g. glassfish users
> group or tomcat users group..
> usually all questions are answered in TC but not so with GF
> Struts is Front Controller based ..basically one event/one request
> JSF is Page Controller n events are parsed from one Request
> In Struts navigation is tied to Action
> in JSF navigation is tied to Page
> http://websphere.sys-con.com/node/46516
>
> ASP.NET is specific to Microsoft platforms which means 75% of the installed
> servers cannot run it
>
> Martin Gainty
> ______________________________________________
> Jogi és Bizalmassági kinyilatkoztatás/Verzicht und
> Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité
> Ez az
> üzenet bizalmas. Ha nem ön az akinek szánva volt, akkor kérjük, hogy
> jelentse azt nekünk vissza. Semmiféle továbbítása vagy másolatának
> készítése nem megengedett. Ez az üzenet csak ismeret cserét szolgál és
> semmiféle jogi alkalmazhatósága sincs. Mivel az electronikus üzenetek
> könnyen megváltoztathatóak, ezért minket semmi felelöség nem terhelhet
> ezen üzenet tartalma miatt.
>
> Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene
> Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte
> Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht
> dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine
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> E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen.
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> peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter
> aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni.
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:31:18 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Struts vs Other competitors
> > From: musachy@gmail.com
> > To: user@struts.apache.org
> >
> > dig around Matt Raible's blog/presentations, he has plenty of stuff
> > related to that.
> >
> > musachy
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ricardo
> > Ramos<ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts 2
> vs.
> > > Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..?
> > >
> > > The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring
> and
> > > Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the
> following
> > > years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the
> > > state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and
> read
> > > some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > RR
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > "Hey you! Would you help me to carry the stone?" Pink Floyd
> >
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RE: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Andrey Rogov <st...@gmail.com>.
Martin,
What do you think about Oracle ADF ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gainty [mailto:mgainty@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 4:42 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Struts vs Other competitors
Raible rated Struts as "poor support"
support in JSF is based on implementing container: e.g. glassfish users
group or tomcat users group..
usually all questions are answered in TC but not so with GF
Struts is Front Controller based ..basically one event/one request
JSF is Page Controller n events are parsed from one Request
In Struts navigation is tied to Action
in JSF navigation is tied to Page
http://websphere.sys-con.com/node/46516
ASP.NET is specific to Microsoft platforms which means 75% of the installed
servers cannot run it
Martin Gainty
______________________________________________
Jogi és Bizalmassági kinyilatkoztatás/Verzicht und
Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité
Ez az
üzenet bizalmas. Ha nem ön az akinek szánva volt, akkor kérjük, hogy
jelentse azt nekünk vissza. Semmiféle továbbítása vagy másolatának
készítése nem megengedett. Ez az üzenet csak ismeret cserét szolgál és
semmiféle jogi alkalmazhatósága sincs. Mivel az electronikus üzenetek
könnyen megváltoztathatóak, ezért minket semmi felelöség nem terhelhet
ezen üzenet tartalma miatt.
Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene
Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte
Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht
dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine
rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von
E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen.
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destinataire prévu, nous te demandons avec bonté que pour satisfaire
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peuvent facilement être sujets à la manipulation, nous ne pouvons accepter
aucune responsabilité pour le contenu fourni.
> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:31:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: Struts vs Other competitors
> From: musachy@gmail.com
> To: user@struts.apache.org
>
> dig around Matt Raible's blog/presentations, he has plenty of stuff
> related to that.
>
> musachy
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ricardo
> Ramos<ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts 2
vs.
> > Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..?
> >
> > The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring
and
> > Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the
following
> > years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the
> > state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and
read
> > some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > RR
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "Hey you! Would you help me to carry the stone?" Pink Floyd
>
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RE: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
Raible rated Struts as "poor support"
support in JSF is based on implementing container: e.g. glassfish users group or tomcat users group..
usually all questions are answered in TC but not so with GF
Struts is Front Controller based ..basically one event/one request
JSF is Page Controller n events are parsed from one Request
In Struts navigation is tied to Action
in JSF navigation is tied to Page
http://websphere.sys-con.com/node/46516
ASP.NET is specific to Microsoft platforms which means 75% of the installed servers cannot run it
Martin Gainty
______________________________________________
Jogi és Bizalmassági kinyilatkoztatás/Verzicht und Vertraulichkeitanmerkung/Note de déni et de confidentialité
Ez az
üzenet bizalmas. Ha nem ön az akinek szánva volt, akkor kérjük, hogy
jelentse azt nekünk vissza. Semmiféle továbbítása vagy másolatának
készítése nem megengedett. Ez az üzenet csak ismeret cserét szolgál és
semmiféle jogi alkalmazhatósága sincs. Mivel az electronikus üzenetek
könnyen megváltoztathatóak, ezért minket semmi felelöség nem terhelhet
ezen üzenet tartalma miatt.
Diese Nachricht ist vertraulich. Sollten Sie nicht der vorgesehene Empfaenger sein, so bitten wir hoeflich um eine Mitteilung. Jede unbefugte Weiterleitung oder Fertigung einer Kopie ist unzulaessig. Diese Nachricht dient lediglich dem Austausch von Informationen und entfaltet keine rechtliche Bindungswirkung. Aufgrund der leichten Manipulierbarkeit von E-Mails koennen wir keine Haftung fuer den Inhalt uebernehmen.
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> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2009 22:31:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: Struts vs Other competitors
> From: musachy@gmail.com
> To: user@struts.apache.org
>
> dig around Matt Raible's blog/presentations, he has plenty of stuff
> related to that.
>
> musachy
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ricardo
> Ramos<ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts 2 vs.
> > Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..?
> >
> > The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring and
> > Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the following
> > years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the
> > state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and read
> > some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > RR
> >
>
>
>
> --
> "Hey you! Would you help me to carry the stone?" Pink Floyd
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Re: Struts vs Other competitors
Posted by Musachy Barroso <mu...@gmail.com>.
dig around Matt Raible's blog/presentations, he has plenty of stuff
related to that.
musachy
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ricardo
Ramos<ba...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Can you guys point me to some literature debating Struts 1 vs. Struts 2 vs.
> Asp.NET vs. JSF vs. etc..?
>
> The project on which I'm working on currently uses Struts 1 (+ Spring and
> Hibernate). Although I don't foresee a migration happening for the following
> years, it would be very interesting to make an analysis of all the
> state-of-art options. For this to happen, I really needed to find and read
> some high-authority text to provide me the base for this analysis.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Best regards,
>
> RR
>
--
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