Fwd: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists

[Craig L Russell <Cr...@Sun.COM>]

If you all have any comments on this discussion, please send them to  
general AT incubator.apache.org.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Leo Simons <ma...@leosimons.com>
> Date: December 20, 2005 1:55:39 AM PST
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] @domain for Incubator mailing lists
> Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
> On Sat, Dec 17, 2005 at 11:49:14PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> Please vote on the following:
>>
>>   New mailing lists should be created under the
>>   @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of
>>   the other project resources, e.g., the web
>>   site and SVN subtree.
>
> +0
>
> (...)
>> There has been some discussion and confusion over where to put  
>> mailing lists
>> for projects that are in the Incubator.  As the person who argued  
>> for the
>> current approach, which had to do with infrastructure issues, I'm  
>> also going
>> to suggest that it change.  We are finding that it is more and more
>> important to highlight when a project is in the Incubator, and to  
>> ensure
>> that there is no confusion in the mind of the public about that  
>> status.
>
> Indeed. Even in the mind of our own developers it seems.
>
>> The current approach is to put the mailing lists under the domain  
>> of the TLP
>> into which it was expected that they would go, and THE REASON for  
>> this had
>> to do with the difficulty of moving the mailing lists and the  
>> eyebrowse
>> archives.  HOWEVER, Roy has since written a script to move mailing  
>> lists,
>> and we no longer use eyebrowse.  And unlike the prior setup, it is  
>> fairly
>> straightforward to redirect an old archive location to a new one.
>
> Changing a mailing list is stil painful "further downstream". Eg  
> with the MARC
> archive or mail-archive.com or gmane or whatever. In the HTTP  
> space, we have lots
> of tools for URI management (eg mod_rewrite, Redirect,  
> RedirectMatch), in the
> email space (eg mailto:foo@apache.org) we don't have it (we just  
> have a simple form
> of a "Redirect" that doesn't propagate, eg we don't have a "Moved  
> Permanently").
> Hence, I remain of the opinion that effort should be taken to make  
> email addresses
> "As permanent as possible".
>
> I'll assert there are other concerns that overrule this technical  
> argument (eg
> those you gave above and the ones mads listed), but for reference  
> purposes :-)
>
>> THEREFORE, new mailing lists should be created under the
>> @incubator.apache.org domain, just as all of the other project  
>> resources,
>> e.g., the web site and SVN subtree.
>
> - Leo
>
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Craig Russell
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