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Posted to docs@httpd.apache.org by Rémi Goyard <rg...@gmail.com> on 2005/12/07 16:04:43 UTC
just suscribed ...
Hi,
i've jsut suscribed this mailing list 'cause i've planed to translate some
parts of the documentation of Apache 2.0 into French.
So i want to know if there's some people there that have planned this too.
regards.
rémi
Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Maxime Petazzoni <ma...@bulix.org>.
Hi,
* Astrid 'Kess' Keßler <ke...@kess-net.de> [2005-12-07 17:06:32]:
> On Wednesday 07 December 2005 16:04, Rémi Goyard wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > i've jsut suscribed this mailing list 'cause i've planed to translate
> > some parts of the documentation of Apache 2.0 into French.
> > So i want to know if there's some people there that have planned this
> > too.
>
> Welcome to the httpd docs project :)
> There have been some effort month ago. But it's silent now from the french
> corner. So it seems, you are the only one at the moment.
>
> Before you start, please read
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html. You'll need a second
> natural french speaker to review your translations. Don't worry about the
> transformation. For the start, just send in some reviewed xml files.
I'm French, too. If you need help to translate and/or review, I'll be
pleased to help you.
Regards,
- Sam
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Jean-François El Fouly <je...@elfouly.nom.fr>.
Joshua Slive a écrit :
> That's a totally unhelpful comment. It seems almost designed to scare
> people away. Do you want to provide contact info for how to obtain
> more information about all these other files?
>
> Joshua.
These files have been posted (I guess more than once) to this mailing
list. A quick search in the mailing list archive.found this interesting
mail:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-docs&m=108264201219742&w=2
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
Jean-François El Fouly wrote:
> Joshua Slive a écrit :
>
>> That's a totally unhelpful comment. It seems almost designed to scare
>> people away. Do you want to provide contact info for how to obtain
>> more information about all these other files?
>>
>> Joshua.
>
>
> OK, the link is broken but for the referenced apache-docs.tar.gz
> - I have it
> - Vincent Deffontaines has it (it's his in the first place) and his
> address is in the email I quoted from the MARC archive
> - Alain B has it
>
> and I don't attach it because
> - it's not mine
> - it's a hefty 1.8 Mb tar.gz archive with 791 files inside (not everyone
> of them is a translation of course) and I would not want to fill
> everybody's mailbox
>
> All files at the root of the documentation tree have been translated.
> Half has not been reviewed neither committed and I guess that would be a
> good starting point for anyone interested to contribute. /vhosts has
> been reviewed and somewhat improved by Alain B and committed.
> ./mod/core.xml (huge ! 125 kb) had been translated and hasn't been
> reviewed nor committed. Plus a few other here and there.
>
> Anyone interested could get this archive from any of us.
>
> Besides, I don't want to scare anyone away. I told why I'm not working
> on this at the moment. AFAIK, Vincent stopped translating because he
> launched his own business. And Alain certainly gave up because the files
> he sent to the ML on 4/10 were committed on 7/11 and only because the
> three of us sent 5 or 6 mails meanwhile asking what was going wrong...
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-docs&m=112106703025003&w=2
Thanks for your more constructive message. So people wanting to
review/translate can get in touch with you at least to see stuff that
has already been done but not committed.
As far as delays in getting things comitted. That is always a
possibility in the open source world where everything is done by
volunteers. This list is generally quite good at picking up on
contributions. But submitters need to take responsibility for sending
reminders every week or so if they don't see action.
Joshua.
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Jean-François El Fouly <je...@elfouly.nom.fr>.
Joshua Slive a écrit :
> That's a totally unhelpful comment. It seems almost designed to scare
> people away. Do you want to provide contact info for how to obtain
> more information about all these other files?
>
> Joshua.
OK, the link is broken but for the referenced apache-docs.tar.gz
- I have it
- Vincent Deffontaines has it (it's his in the first place) and his
address is in the email I quoted from the MARC archive
- Alain B has it
and I don't attach it because
- it's not mine
- it's a hefty 1.8 Mb tar.gz archive with 791 files inside (not everyone
of them is a translation of course) and I would not want to fill
everybody's mailbox
All files at the root of the documentation tree have been translated.
Half has not been reviewed neither committed and I guess that would be a
good starting point for anyone interested to contribute. /vhosts has
been reviewed and somewhat improved by Alain B and committed.
./mod/core.xml (huge ! 125 kb) had been translated and hasn't been
reviewed nor committed. Plus a few other here and there.
Anyone interested could get this archive from any of us.
Besides, I don't want to scare anyone away. I told why I'm not working
on this at the moment. AFAIK, Vincent stopped translating because he
launched his own business. And Alain certainly gave up because the files
he sent to the ML on 4/10 were committed on 7/11 and only because the
three of us sent 5 or 6 mails meanwhile asking what was going wrong...
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=apache-docs&m=112106703025003&w=2
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
Jean-François El Fouly wrote:
> I do apologize / my mistake.
> But they finally found their way in a place I was not expecting.
> Basically, what was translated and reviewed at that time (april) was 2.0
> documentation on vhosts.
> Still nothing there. But it seems it was committed in HEAD/trunk so it
> appears now in 2.2 documentation.
> I don't think Vincent Deffontaines (who translated this in the first
> place) or Alain B (who reviewed and somewhat improved this material) are
> aware of this and I feel they both gave up.
> (And there was a newborn baby at home meanwhile so I have no time or
> energy to devote to this task at the moment but I'm still interested and
> reading the mailing list.)
> If someone is willing to translate documentation to French by now he/she
> should be aware that many many files have been translated by Vincent
> last year or even in 2003 and these just need a review to be committed -
> before beginning any new translation from scratch.
That's a totally unhelpful comment. It seems almost designed to scare
people away. Do you want to provide contact info for how to obtain more
information about all these other files?
Joshua.
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Jean-François El Fouly <je...@elfouly.nom.fr>.
I do apologize / my mistake.
But they finally found their way in a place I was not expecting.
Basically, what was translated and reviewed at that time (april) was 2.0
documentation on vhosts.
Still nothing there. But it seems it was committed in HEAD/trunk so it
appears now in 2.2 documentation.
I don't think Vincent Deffontaines (who translated this in the first
place) or Alain B (who reviewed and somewhat improved this material) are
aware of this and I feel they both gave up.
(And there was a newborn baby at home meanwhile so I have no time or
energy to devote to this task at the moment but I'm still interested and
reading the mailing list.)
If someone is willing to translate documentation to French by now he/she
should be aware that many many files have been translated by Vincent
last year or even in 2003 and these just need a review to be committed -
before beginning any new translation from scratch.
Astrid 'Kess' Keßler a écrit :
>On Wednesday 07 December 2005 22:25, Jean-François El Fouly wrote:
>
>
>>Astrid 'Kess' Keßler a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>Welcome to the httpd docs project :)
>>>There have been some effort month ago. But it's silent now from the french
>>>corner. So it seems, you are the only one at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>It's silent now because quite a lot of files have been translated,
>>reviewed, submitted... and never committed. So the three persons
>>involved simply got discouraged and left.
>>
>>
>>
>
>outch :/
>I've been absent from the docs project for some time and may have missed a
>lot. I'll search the archives for thoses files. Or could you resend them?
>Then I'll commit them. Better late then never.
>
>Kess
>
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Astrid 'Kess' Keßler <ke...@kess-net.de>.
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 22:25, Jean-François El Fouly wrote:
> Astrid 'Kess' Keßler a écrit :
> >Welcome to the httpd docs project :)
> >There have been some effort month ago. But it's silent now from the french
> >corner. So it seems, you are the only one at the moment.
>
> It's silent now because quite a lot of files have been translated,
> reviewed, submitted... and never committed. So the three persons
> involved simply got discouraged and left.
>
outch :/
I've been absent from the docs project for some time and may have missed a
lot. I'll search the archives for thoses files. Or could you resend them?
Then I'll commit them. Better late then never.
Kess
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Jean-François El Fouly wrote:
> Astrid 'Kess' Keßler a écrit :
> >Welcome to the httpd docs project :)
> >There have been some effort month ago. But it's silent now from the
> > french corner. So it seems, you are the only one at the moment.
>
> It's silent now because quite a lot of files have been translated,
> reviewed, submitted... and never committed. So the three persons
> involved simply got discouraged and left.
Oh? AFAIR all reviewed files were submitted. Short archive search seems to
ack that. Can you point to some files/discussion which were not committed?
nd
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Jean-François El Fouly <je...@elfouly.nom.fr>.
Astrid 'Kess' Keßler a écrit :
>Welcome to the httpd docs project :)
>There have been some effort month ago. But it's silent now from the french
>corner. So it seems, you are the only one at the moment.
>
>
It's silent now because quite a lot of files have been translated,
reviewed, submitted... and never committed. So the three persons
involved simply got discouraged and left.
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Re: just suscribed ...
Posted by Astrid 'Kess' Keßler <ke...@kess-net.de>.
On Wednesday 07 December 2005 16:04, Rémi Goyard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i've jsut suscribed this mailing list 'cause i've planed to translate
> some parts of the documentation of Apache 2.0 into French.
> So i want to know if there's some people there that have planned this
> too.
Welcome to the httpd docs project :)
There have been some effort month ago. But it's silent now from the french
corner. So it seems, you are the only one at the moment.
Before you start, please read
http://httpd.apache.org/docs-project/translations.html. You'll need a second
natural french speaker to review your translations. Don't worry about the
transformation. For the start, just send in some reviewed xml files.
Good luck
Kess
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