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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> on 2003/07/11 05:57:37 UTC

Re: [Flow] Calling internal-only pipelines

lost a week of email because I was reading them on gmane and it was not
updated :-(

I'm catching up on the mail archives, so apologies for the misquoted text:

<quote author="sylvain"
In Cocoon 2.0, there was not so much difference between internal and
external processing on the Processor interface. Things have changed in
2.1 due to changes in the cache system, which now require to build the
pipeline to get its validity (Carsten, tell me if I'm wrong).

So the current situation in the sitemap engine (inherited from the 2.0
architecture), is that a call to process() is considered as external
while a call to processInternal() is considered as... internal.

Now we see that tying internal/external to the called method is not the
way to go, since we the flow calls process(), and such calls should be
considered as internal.

So my suggestion is to strongly separate these two different notions.
The results are that :
- internal/external should be a property of the environment object : add
a new Environment.isInternal() method.
- Processor.processInternal() should be renamed to buildPipeline().

This separation can then allow any kind of combination.

What do you think ?
</quote>

sounds good. +1

are you volunteering for the changes as well? (just curious, I don't
want to duplicate effort and we really this RSN!)

-- 
Stefano.



Re: [Flow] Calling internal-only pipelines

Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

>on 7/11/03 3:22 AM Sylvain Wallez wrote:
>  
>
>>This was done about a week ago ;-)
>>    
>>
>
>300 messages later, I knew ;-)
>
>Tomorrow I'll digest the big thread on the extended flow and report back.
>
>(my FS alarms are already off scale but I'm turning them off to try to be really objective, so that Marc and Steven don't get mad at me like last time)
>

Before jumping into this thread, let me say that I was part of this 
also, and that we finally decided to postpone any decision on this until 
we have more meat. So keep quiet ;-)

Sylvain

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Re: [Flow] Calling internal-only pipelines

Posted by Marc Portier <mp...@outerthought.org>.

Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> on 7/11/03 3:22 AM Sylvain Wallez wrote:
> 
> 
>>This was done about a week ago ;-)
> 
> 
> 300 messages later, I knew ;-)
> 
> Tomorrow I'll digest the big thread on the extended flow and report back.
> 

yeah, quite some wasted bandwidth there :-)
so thx for taking the effort. (the mailinglist interaction surely 
completed the thoughts in the wiki, so that additional read might 
very well pay off)

I (and I know Sylvain does to) surely would value your opinion on 
any part of it.
(as I am quite confident that your remarks will also help deepen 
the expressed thoughts and feelings)

> (my FS alarms are already off scale but I'm turning them off to try to
> be really objective, so that Marc and Steven don't get mad at me like
> last time)
> 

ouch, 'mad?' I thought only cows did that :-)

but yeah I guess 'last time' we (both?) succeeded only at 
harvesting some frustration, no?

Somehow that frustration made me prepare better this time, so I 
can't say there are remaining bad vibes over here. Hoping to 
achieve the reciprocal state of mind: I'ld like to be excused if 
my actions left some at your side however.

thx gain for getting into it, I'll try to answer promptly in the 
event of any questions

> Anyway, people, great job on the evolution of the flow. Planning to move
> linotype on the new FOM over the weekend.
> 

great news,
-marc=
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Re: [Flow] Calling internal-only pipelines

Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
on 7/11/03 3:22 AM Sylvain Wallez wrote:

> This was done about a week ago ;-)

300 messages later, I knew ;-)

Tomorrow I'll digest the big thread on the extended flow and report back.

(my FS alarms are already off scale but I'm turning them off to try to
be really objective, so that Marc and Steven don't get mad at me like
last time)

Anyway, people, great job on the evolution of the flow. Planning to move
linotype on the new FOM over the weekend.

-- 
Stefano.



Re: [Flow] Calling internal-only pipelines

Posted by Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:

>lost a week of email because I was reading them on gmane and it was not updated :-(
>
>I'm catching up on the mail archives, so apologies for the misquoted text:
>

<snip/>

>sounds good. +1
>
>are you volunteering for the changes as well? (just curious, I don't want to duplicate effort and we really this RSN!)
>

This was done about a week ago ;-)

Sylvain

-- 
Sylvain Wallez                                  Anyware Technologies
http://www.apache.org/~sylvain           http://www.anyware-tech.com
{ XML, Java, Cocoon, OpenSource }*{ Training, Consulting, Projects }
Orixo, the opensource XML business alliance  -  http://www.orixo.com