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Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Sebb, that's a good idea, the wiki space could be a beginning.
I'm going to request (INFRA) a Wiki space for this initiative:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HEALTH/Home
and a mailing list for discussing:
health@apache.org
Please let me know if I have your support to request these resources from
INFRA (linking the JIRA tickets to this conversation).
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Twitter: @javiromanrh
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Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:44 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How about using the Wiki for collecting the information?
>
> Easier to set up and easy to maintain.
>
> If the content eventually outgrows the wiki it could be moved later
> (with redirects added).
>
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 06:22, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Probably cTakes PMC could be interesting in requesting the resources to
> > INFRA:
> >
> > 1. health.apache.org
> > 2. health@apache.org
> >
> > So this PMC may be the clear owner (I would like to do it by myself, but
> > unfortunately I'm a PPMC of Incubator retired project).
> >
> > --
> > Javi Roman
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:42 PM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:24 PM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > > > ...I would encourage you to
> > > > talk with Infra, next, regarding the hostname, email address, and a
> VM
> > > > to run a site on. I expect that if you have a few PMC members backing
> > > > it, and don't expect Infra to provide you any services...
> > >
> > > From an oversight point of view I think it's good for an existing PMC
> > > to "own" a new website that might be created at health.apache.org. It
> > > can be any of the interested PMCs and to me the goal is just to make
> > > sure that website has a clear owner at the Foundation level.
> > >
> > > So the simplest is probably for one of those PMCs to request creation
> > > of the new website, with the understanding that they will welcome
> > > contributions from other PMCs.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
>
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Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com>.
I would like to know, as a key point of this discussion, whether the
creation of at least a mailing list to discuss this issue is something that
is aligned with the objectives of the ASF.
From my point of view, a mailing list is somewhat innocuous from a resource
point of view, but it is important from the point of view of whether it is
an allowable line of work in the ASF.
This is nothing more than creating an open source community focused on a
particular field (as in the past has been created for IoT). It may turn out
that the outcome of the discussions on that mailing list is that it doesn't
make sense to create a dedicated space for healthcare, or it may turn out
that it makes a lot of sense and in the end we are creating communities
that are more about a particular software and more focused on creating
software architectures, where the sum of the parts is more than each of
them.
On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 7:24 PM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 5/3/21 9:58 AM, sebb wrote:
> >> Whyever not? They don't cost any more.
>
> > Huh? Of course they cost - in time at least.
> > They also require DNS and name resources.
>
>
> I didn't say they don't cost. I said they don't cost *more*.
>
>
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Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 5/3/21 9:58 AM, sebb wrote:
>> Whyever not? They don't cost any more.
> Huh? Of course they cost - in time at least.
> They also require DNS and name resources.
I didn't say they don't cost. I said they don't cost *more*.
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Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 3 May 2021 at 13:15, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> Fwiw I think creating content in a wiki and then having to move and
> reformat and redirect that content seems like an unnecessary duplication of
> work. I'm unclear why you'd want to do this work twice.
>
> On Sat, May 1, 2021, 08:31 sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I suggest these resources are requested under the community.a.o project.
> >
>
>
> What? Why? That's not where anyone is going to look for this.
Because it is a community matter.
> >
> > We should not be asking for more top-level resources unless absolutely
> > necessary.
> >
>
>
> Whyever not? They don't cost any more.
Huh? Of course they cost - in time at least.
They also require DNS and name resources.
>
> > Existing TLPs such as community can use https://selfserve.apache.org/
> > to create mailing lists and Confluence spaces without involving Infra,
> > who are already very busy.
> >
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Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
Fwiw I think creating content in a wiki and then having to move and
reformat and redirect that content seems like an unnecessary duplication of
work. I'm unclear why you'd want to do this work twice.
On Sat, May 1, 2021, 08:31 sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suggest these resources are requested under the community.a.o project.
>
What? Why? That's not where anyone is going to look for this.
>
> We should not be asking for more top-level resources unless absolutely
> necessary.
>
Whyever not? They don't cost any more.
> Existing TLPs such as community can use https://selfserve.apache.org/
> to create mailing lists and Confluence spaces without involving Infra,
> who are already very busy.
>
Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
Fwiw I think creating content in a wiki and then having to move and
reformat and redirect that content seems like an unnecessary duplication of
work. I'm unclear why you'd want to do this work twice.
On Sat, May 1, 2021, 08:31 sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suggest these resources are requested under the community.a.o project.
>
What? Why? That's not where anyone is going to look for this.
>
> We should not be asking for more top-level resources unless absolutely
> necessary.
>
Whyever not? They don't cost any more.
> Existing TLPs such as community can use https://selfserve.apache.org/
> to create mailing lists and Confluence spaces without involving Infra,
> who are already very busy.
>
Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 08:40, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sebb, that's a good idea, the wiki space could be a beginning.
>
> I'm going to request (INFRA) a Wiki space for this initiative:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HEALTH/Home
>
> and a mailing list for discussing:
> health@apache.org
>
> Please let me know if I have your support to request these resources from
> INFRA (linking the JIRA tickets to this conversation).
I suggest these resources are requested under the community.a.o project.
We should not be asking for more top-level resources unless absolutely
necessary.
Existing TLPs such as community can use https://selfserve.apache.org/
to create mailing lists and Confluence spaces without involving Infra,
who are already very busy.
> --
> Javi Roman
>
> Twitter: @javiromanrh
> GitHub: github.com/javiroman
> Linkedin: es.linkedin.com/in/javiroman
> Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:44 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How about using the Wiki for collecting the information?
> >
> > Easier to set up and easy to maintain.
> >
> > If the content eventually outgrows the wiki it could be moved later
> > (with redirects added).
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 06:22, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Probably cTakes PMC could be interesting in requesting the resources to
> > > INFRA:
> > >
> > > 1. health.apache.org
> > > 2. health@apache.org
> > >
> > > So this PMC may be the clear owner (I would like to do it by myself, but
> > > unfortunately I'm a PPMC of Incubator retired project).
> > >
> > > --
> > > Javi Roman
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:42 PM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:24 PM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > > > > ...I would encourage you to
> > > > > talk with Infra, next, regarding the hostname, email address, and a
> > VM
> > > > > to run a site on. I expect that if you have a few PMC members backing
> > > > > it, and don't expect Infra to provide you any services...
> > > >
> > > > From an oversight point of view I think it's good for an existing PMC
> > > > to "own" a new website that might be created at health.apache.org. It
> > > > can be any of the interested PMCs and to me the goal is just to make
> > > > sure that website has a clear owner at the Foundation level.
> > > >
> > > > So the simplest is probably for one of those PMCs to request creation
> > > > of the new website, with the understanding that they will welcome
> > > > contributions from other PMCs.
> > > >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> >
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Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by "Zowalla, Richard" <ri...@hs-heilbronn.de>.
I like the idea: +1
I am working as a research associate in the medical informatics domain
in Germany. Consequently, I like the idea of giving healthcare-related
ASF a specific place to be (more) visible.
Gruss
Richard
Am Montag, den 03.05.2021, 22:32 +0800 schrieb Willem Jiang:
> My big +1.
> I think it is a great idea that we can bring the efforts from
> different Apache projects together to tackle a certain domain
> specific
> problem.
>
> Willem Jiang
>
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
> On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 3:41 PM Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Sebb, that's a good idea, the wiki space could be a beginning.
> >
> > I'm going to request (INFRA) a Wiki space for this initiative:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HEALTH/Home
> >
> > and a mailing list for discussing:
> > health@apache.org
> >
> > Please let me know if I have your support to request these
> > resources from
> > INFRA (linking the JIRA tickets to this conversation).
> >
> > --
> > Javi Roman
> >
> > Twitter: @javiromanrh
> > GitHub: github.com/javiroman
> > Linkedin: es.linkedin.com/in/javiroman
> > Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:44 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > How about using the Wiki for collecting the information?
> > >
> > > Easier to set up and easy to maintain.
> > >
> > > If the content eventually outgrows the wiki it could be moved
> > > later
> > > (with redirects added).
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 06:22, Javi Roman <
> > > jroman.espinar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Probably cTakes PMC could be interesting in requesting the
> > > > resources to
> > > > INFRA:
> > > >
> > > > 1. health.apache.org
> > > > 2. health@apache.org
> > > >
> > > > So this PMC may be the clear owner (I would like to do it by
> > > > myself, but
> > > > unfortunately I'm a PPMC of Incubator retired project).
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Javi Roman
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:42 PM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > > bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:24 PM Rich Bowen <
> > > > > rbowen@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > > > > > ...I would encourage you to
> > > > > > talk with Infra, next, regarding the hostname, email
> > > > > > address, and a
> > > VM
> > > > > > to run a site on. I expect that if you have a few PMC
> > > > > > members backing
> > > > > > it, and don't expect Infra to provide you any services...
> > > > >
> > > > > From an oversight point of view I think it's good for an
> > > > > existing PMC
> > > > > to "own" a new website that might be created at
> > > > > health.apache.org. It
> > > > > can be any of the interested PMCs and to me the goal is just
> > > > > to make
> > > > > sure that website has a clear owner at the Foundation level.
> > > > >
> > > > > So the simplest is probably for one of those PMCs to request
> > > > > creation
> > > > > of the new website, with the understanding that they will
> > > > > welcome
> > > > > contributions from other PMCs.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Bertrand
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > ------
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> > >
> > >
>
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Hochschule Heilbronn – University of Applied Sciences
Max-Planck-Str. 39
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Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
My big +1.
I think it is a great idea that we can bring the efforts from
different Apache projects together to tackle a certain domain specific
problem.
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 3:41 PM Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sebb, that's a good idea, the wiki space could be a beginning.
>
> I'm going to request (INFRA) a Wiki space for this initiative:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HEALTH/Home
>
> and a mailing list for discussing:
> health@apache.org
>
> Please let me know if I have your support to request these resources from
> INFRA (linking the JIRA tickets to this conversation).
>
> --
> Javi Roman
>
> Twitter: @javiromanrh
> GitHub: github.com/javiroman
> Linkedin: es.linkedin.com/in/javiroman
> Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:44 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How about using the Wiki for collecting the information?
> >
> > Easier to set up and easy to maintain.
> >
> > If the content eventually outgrows the wiki it could be moved later
> > (with redirects added).
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 06:22, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Probably cTakes PMC could be interesting in requesting the resources to
> > > INFRA:
> > >
> > > 1. health.apache.org
> > > 2. health@apache.org
> > >
> > > So this PMC may be the clear owner (I would like to do it by myself, but
> > > unfortunately I'm a PPMC of Incubator retired project).
> > >
> > > --
> > > Javi Roman
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:42 PM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:24 PM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > > > > ...I would encourage you to
> > > > > talk with Infra, next, regarding the hostname, email address, and a
> > VM
> > > > > to run a site on. I expect that if you have a few PMC members backing
> > > > > it, and don't expect Infra to provide you any services...
> > > >
> > > > From an oversight point of view I think it's good for an existing PMC
> > > > to "own" a new website that might be created at health.apache.org. It
> > > > can be any of the interested PMCs and to me the goal is just to make
> > > > sure that website has a clear owner at the Foundation level.
> > > >
> > > > So the simplest is probably for one of those PMCs to request creation
> > > > of the new website, with the understanding that they will welcome
> > > > contributions from other PMCs.
> > > >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >
> >
Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, 1 May 2021 at 08:40, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sebb, that's a good idea, the wiki space could be a beginning.
>
> I'm going to request (INFRA) a Wiki space for this initiative:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HEALTH/Home
>
> and a mailing list for discussing:
> health@apache.org
>
> Please let me know if I have your support to request these resources from
> INFRA (linking the JIRA tickets to this conversation).
I suggest these resources are requested under the community.a.o project.
We should not be asking for more top-level resources unless absolutely
necessary.
Existing TLPs such as community can use https://selfserve.apache.org/
to create mailing lists and Confluence spaces without involving Infra,
who are already very busy.
> --
> Javi Roman
>
> Twitter: @javiromanrh
> GitHub: github.com/javiroman
> Linkedin: es.linkedin.com/in/javiroman
> Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:44 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How about using the Wiki for collecting the information?
> >
> > Easier to set up and easy to maintain.
> >
> > If the content eventually outgrows the wiki it could be moved later
> > (with redirects added).
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 06:22, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Probably cTakes PMC could be interesting in requesting the resources to
> > > INFRA:
> > >
> > > 1. health.apache.org
> > > 2. health@apache.org
> > >
> > > So this PMC may be the clear owner (I would like to do it by myself, but
> > > unfortunately I'm a PPMC of Incubator retired project).
> > >
> > > --
> > > Javi Roman
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:42 PM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:24 PM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > > > > ...I would encourage you to
> > > > > talk with Infra, next, regarding the hostname, email address, and a
> > VM
> > > > > to run a site on. I expect that if you have a few PMC members backing
> > > > > it, and don't expect Infra to provide you any services...
> > > >
> > > > From an oversight point of view I think it's good for an existing PMC
> > > > to "own" a new website that might be created at health.apache.org. It
> > > > can be any of the interested PMCs and to me the goal is just to make
> > > > sure that website has a clear owner at the Foundation level.
> > > >
> > > > So the simplest is probably for one of those PMCs to request creation
> > > > of the new website, with the understanding that they will welcome
> > > > contributions from other PMCs.
> > > >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> >
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org
> >
> >
Re: ASF and Healthcare initiative
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
My big +1.
I think it is a great idea that we can bring the efforts from
different Apache projects together to tackle a certain domain specific
problem.
Willem Jiang
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Sat, May 1, 2021 at 3:41 PM Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sebb, that's a good idea, the wiki space could be a beginning.
>
> I'm going to request (INFRA) a Wiki space for this initiative:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HEALTH/Home
>
> and a mailing list for discussing:
> health@apache.org
>
> Please let me know if I have your support to request these resources from
> INFRA (linking the JIRA tickets to this conversation).
>
> --
> Javi Roman
>
> Twitter: @javiromanrh
> GitHub: github.com/javiroman
> Linkedin: es.linkedin.com/in/javiroman
> Big Data Blog: dataintensive.info
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 11:44 AM sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How about using the Wiki for collecting the information?
> >
> > Easier to set up and easy to maintain.
> >
> > If the content eventually outgrows the wiki it could be moved later
> > (with redirects added).
> >
> > On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 at 06:22, Javi Roman <jr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Probably cTakes PMC could be interesting in requesting the resources to
> > > INFRA:
> > >
> > > 1. health.apache.org
> > > 2. health@apache.org
> > >
> > > So this PMC may be the clear owner (I would like to do it by myself, but
> > > unfortunately I'm a PPMC of Incubator retired project).
> > >
> > > --
> > > Javi Roman
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:42 PM Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2021 at 3:24 PM Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> > > > > ...I would encourage you to
> > > > > talk with Infra, next, regarding the hostname, email address, and a
> > VM
> > > > > to run a site on. I expect that if you have a few PMC members backing
> > > > > it, and don't expect Infra to provide you any services...
> > > >
> > > > From an oversight point of view I think it's good for an existing PMC
> > > > to "own" a new website that might be created at health.apache.org. It
> > > > can be any of the interested PMCs and to me the goal is just to make
> > > > sure that website has a clear owner at the Foundation level.
> > > >
> > > > So the simplest is probably for one of those PMCs to request creation
> > > > of the new website, with the understanding that they will welcome
> > > > contributions from other PMCs.
> > > >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> >
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