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Posted to dev@mnemonic.apache.org by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> on 2020/10/02 22:10:15 UTC
[VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
tl;dr please reply to this message.
[ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
[ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to the health of the project.
There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to find any evidence of this event.
As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to manage its releases.
On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in oversight.
Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the development community.
Best regards,
Craig
Director, The Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
[1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
I have a comment.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Oct 4, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, Craig
>
> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will send it out for the community reviews.
You might grow your community if you had this discussion in email on your dev list.
>
> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if possible to keep the project moving forward.
Engage your dev community in the Apache Way on your dev list.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
>
> BR
>
> Yanhui Zhao
>
> ===
> Project goal:
> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
>
> Project objectives
> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
> 2) A improved documentation and website
> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped byte buffers (incubator)
> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
> 6) Verified code quality and testing
>
> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface for storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the access speed thus improving read/write performance
>
> Project Milestones
> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
>
> Project Communication
> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
> 2) Event based release meeting
> 3) Reporting meeting
> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
> 5) Management meeting on demand
>
> From: Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
> To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> Cc: Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
> Subject: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>
> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>
> tl;dr please reply to this message.
>
> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>
> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to the health of the project.
>
> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to find any evidence of this event.
>
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to manage its releases.
>
> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>
> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>
> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in oversight.
>
> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the development community.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Craig
> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
>
> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org>.
Hi Kevin, Gary
Thanks for the reply. I sent out the invites for next weekend for meeting as we may have difficult to align with everyone's schedule this week (Gary's night time will be Kevin's Monday morning)
Please feel free to suggest new meeting time as appropriate, and we can make new schedule after other folks jump in.
Thanks and enjoy the rest of the weekend.
Yanhui
________________________________
From: Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 9:50 AM
To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
Cc: Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
I'm also available today, thanks.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 1:08 AM Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am available within the day. Please reply if you are available to have
> it today.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:47 AM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > The following link might be useful for a meeting in weekend
> > https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=30,8&h=8
> >
> > I'm okay for a time slot at night, Thanks for scheduling
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:20 AM Kevin Ratnasekera <
> djkevincr1989@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Zhao,
> >>
> >> I will be able to allocate some time over the weekend, I am based in Sri
> >> Lanka ( IST time ) so I am thinking whether it will work for others.
> Just
> >> let me know what works best for you/others.
> >>
> >> I second what Dave mentioned, these need discussed on public threads and
> >> have some visibility over it. I have also noticed people replying to
> this
> >> email thread. Maybe we can encourage them to involve in these plans and
> >> join them in contributing to the project.
> >>
> >> I also want to seek advice from the board as well, specifically on
> moving
> >> forward, since there are no 3 PMC members active to even elect a single
> >> external contributor. I would like to know the board process to
> >> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members in cases such as
> >> this.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:55 AM Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Kevin and folks
> >>>
> >>> Do you have time for a sync meeting over the weekend to discuss project
> >>> planning and roadmap?
> >>>
> >>> Considering people may live in different time zone so please share the
> >>> time you prefer so that we can best coordinate.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and talk to you soon!
> >>>
> >>> Yanhui
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:03 PM
> >>> *To:* board@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>; yanhui.zhao@outlook.com <
> >>> yanhui.zhao@outlook.com>; qichfan@gmail.com <qi...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Cc:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
> >>>
> >>> Hi Folks,
> >>>
> >>> I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache
> >>> Mnemonic during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were
> >>> recognized and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was
> also a
> >>> bit discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I
> >>> couldn't continue my usual contributions.
> >>>
> >>> -1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward
> >>> with a plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you
> need
> >>> help from my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
> >>> [2]
> >>>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Craig
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have
> >>> been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the
> roadmap of
> >>> Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including
> but
> >>> not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we
> will
> >>> send it out for the community reviews.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work
> with
> >>> us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if
> >>> possible to keep the project moving forward.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> BR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yanhui Zhao
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ===
> >>>
> >>> Project goal:
> >>>
> >>> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with
> >>> persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Project objectives
> >>>
> >>> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
> >>>
> >>> 2) A improved documentation and website
> >>>
> >>> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
> >>>
> >>> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped
> >>> byte buffers (incubator)
> >>>
> >>> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
> >>>
> >>> 6) Verified code quality and testing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface
> >>> for storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the
> >>> access speed thus improving read/write performance
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Project Milestones
> >>>
> >>> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
> >>>
> >>> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
> >>>
> >>> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Project Communication
> >>>
> >>> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
> >>>
> >>> 2) Event based release meeting
> >>>
> >>> 3) Reporting meeting
> >>>
> >>> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
> >>>
> >>> 5) Management meeting on demand
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
> >>> *To:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> >>> *Cc:* Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
> >>> *Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
> >>>
> >>> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
> >>>
> >>> tl;dr please reply to this message.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
> >>> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
> >>>
> >>> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to
> >>> the health of the project.
> >>>
> >>> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity
> >>> in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent
> board
> >>> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable
> to
> >>> find any evidence of this event.
> >>>
> >>> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> >>> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
> >>> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active
> PMC
> >>> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
> >>> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing
> to
> >>> manage its releases.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good
> >>> reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform
> >>> oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is
> properly
> >>> informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new
> contributors.
> >>>
> >>> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member
> responded.
> >>>
> >>> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
> >>> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
> >>> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond
> to
> >>> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have
> moved on
> >>> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the
> project's
> >>> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
> >>> oversight.
> >>>
> >>> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
> >>> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
> >>> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
> >>> development community.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> >>> clr@apache.org <mailto:clr@apache.org <cl...@apache.org>>
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
I'm also available today, thanks.
On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 1:08 AM Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am available within the day. Please reply if you are available to have
> it today.
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:47 AM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > The following link might be useful for a meeting in weekend
> > https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=30,8&h=8
> >
> > I'm okay for a time slot at night, Thanks for scheduling
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:20 AM Kevin Ratnasekera <
> djkevincr1989@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Zhao,
> >>
> >> I will be able to allocate some time over the weekend, I am based in Sri
> >> Lanka ( IST time ) so I am thinking whether it will work for others.
> Just
> >> let me know what works best for you/others.
> >>
> >> I second what Dave mentioned, these need discussed on public threads and
> >> have some visibility over it. I have also noticed people replying to
> this
> >> email thread. Maybe we can encourage them to involve in these plans and
> >> join them in contributing to the project.
> >>
> >> I also want to seek advice from the board as well, specifically on
> moving
> >> forward, since there are no 3 PMC members active to even elect a single
> >> external contributor. I would like to know the board process to
> >> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members in cases such as
> >> this.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:55 AM Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Kevin and folks
> >>>
> >>> Do you have time for a sync meeting over the weekend to discuss project
> >>> planning and roadmap?
> >>>
> >>> Considering people may live in different time zone so please share the
> >>> time you prefer so that we can best coordinate.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks and talk to you soon!
> >>>
> >>> Yanhui
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:03 PM
> >>> *To:* board@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>; yanhui.zhao@outlook.com <
> >>> yanhui.zhao@outlook.com>; qichfan@gmail.com <qi...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Cc:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
> >>>
> >>> Hi Folks,
> >>>
> >>> I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache
> >>> Mnemonic during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were
> >>> recognized and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was
> also a
> >>> bit discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I
> >>> couldn't continue my usual contributions.
> >>>
> >>> -1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward
> >>> with a plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you
> need
> >>> help from my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
> >>> [2]
> >>>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Craig
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have
> >>> been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the
> roadmap of
> >>> Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including
> but
> >>> not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we
> will
> >>> send it out for the community reviews.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work
> with
> >>> us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if
> >>> possible to keep the project moving forward.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> BR
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Yanhui Zhao
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ===
> >>>
> >>> Project goal:
> >>>
> >>> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with
> >>> persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Project objectives
> >>>
> >>> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
> >>>
> >>> 2) A improved documentation and website
> >>>
> >>> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
> >>>
> >>> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped
> >>> byte buffers (incubator)
> >>>
> >>> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
> >>>
> >>> 6) Verified code quality and testing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface
> >>> for storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the
> >>> access speed thus improving read/write performance
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Project Milestones
> >>>
> >>> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
> >>>
> >>> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
> >>>
> >>> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Project Communication
> >>>
> >>> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
> >>>
> >>> 2) Event based release meeting
> >>>
> >>> 3) Reporting meeting
> >>>
> >>> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
> >>>
> >>> 5) Management meeting on demand
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
> >>> *To:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> >>> *Cc:* Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
> >>> *Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
> >>>
> >>> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
> >>>
> >>> tl;dr please reply to this message.
> >>>
> >>> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
> >>> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
> >>>
> >>> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to
> >>> the health of the project.
> >>>
> >>> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity
> >>> in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent
> board
> >>> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable
> to
> >>> find any evidence of this event.
> >>>
> >>> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> >>> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
> >>> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active
> PMC
> >>> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
> >>> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing
> to
> >>> manage its releases.
> >>>
> >>> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good
> >>> reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform
> >>> oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is
> properly
> >>> informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new
> contributors.
> >>>
> >>> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member
> responded.
> >>>
> >>> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
> >>> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
> >>> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond
> to
> >>> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have
> moved on
> >>> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the
> project's
> >>> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
> >>> oversight.
> >>>
> >>> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
> >>> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
> >>> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
> >>> development community.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Craig
> >>> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> >>> clr@apache.org <mailto:clr@apache.org <cl...@apache.org>>
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>.
I am available within the day. Please reply if you are available to have
it today.
On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 2:47 AM Gang(Gary) Wang <ga...@apache.org> wrote:
> The following link might be useful for a meeting in weekend
> https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=30,8&h=8
>
> I'm okay for a time slot at night, Thanks for scheduling
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:20 AM Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Zhao,
>>
>> I will be able to allocate some time over the weekend, I am based in Sri
>> Lanka ( IST time ) so I am thinking whether it will work for others. Just
>> let me know what works best for you/others.
>>
>> I second what Dave mentioned, these need discussed on public threads and
>> have some visibility over it. I have also noticed people replying to this
>> email thread. Maybe we can encourage them to involve in these plans and
>> join them in contributing to the project.
>>
>> I also want to seek advice from the board as well, specifically on moving
>> forward, since there are no 3 PMC members active to even elect a single
>> external contributor. I would like to know the board process to
>> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members in cases such as
>> this.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:55 AM Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kevin and folks
>>>
>>> Do you have time for a sync meeting over the weekend to discuss project
>>> planning and roadmap?
>>>
>>> Considering people may live in different time zone so please share the
>>> time you prefer so that we can best coordinate.
>>>
>>> Thanks and talk to you soon!
>>>
>>> Yanhui
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:03 PM
>>> *To:* board@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>; yanhui.zhao@outlook.com <
>>> yanhui.zhao@outlook.com>; qichfan@gmail.com <qi...@gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache
>>> Mnemonic during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were
>>> recognized and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was also a
>>> bit discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I
>>> couldn't continue my usual contributions.
>>>
>>> -1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward
>>> with a plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you need
>>> help from my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
>>> [2]
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have
>>> been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of
>>> Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but
>>> not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will
>>> send it out for the community reviews.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with
>>> us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if
>>> possible to keep the project moving forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yanhui Zhao
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Project goal:
>>>
>>> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with
>>> persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Project objectives
>>>
>>> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
>>>
>>> 2) A improved documentation and website
>>>
>>> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
>>>
>>> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped
>>> byte buffers (incubator)
>>>
>>> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
>>>
>>> 6) Verified code quality and testing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface
>>> for storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the
>>> access speed thus improving read/write performance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Project Milestones
>>>
>>> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
>>>
>>> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
>>>
>>> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Project Communication
>>>
>>> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
>>>
>>> 2) Event based release meeting
>>>
>>> 3) Reporting meeting
>>>
>>> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
>>>
>>> 5) Management meeting on demand
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
>>> *To:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
>>> *Cc:* Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>>>
>>> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>>>
>>> tl;dr please reply to this message.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
>>> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>>>
>>> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to
>>> the health of the project.
>>>
>>> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity
>>> in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
>>> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to
>>> find any evidence of this event.
>>>
>>> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
>>> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
>>> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC
>>> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
>>> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to
>>> manage its releases.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good
>>> reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform
>>> oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly
>>> informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>>>
>>> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>>>
>>> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
>>> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
>>> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to
>>> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on
>>> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's
>>> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
>>> oversight.
>>>
>>> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
>>> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
>>> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
>>> development community.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Craig
>>> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
>>> clr@apache.org <mailto:clr@apache.org <cl...@apache.org>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
The following link might be useful for a meeting in weekend
https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=30,8&h=8
I'm okay for a time slot at night, Thanks for scheduling
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 1:20 AM Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Zhao,
>
> I will be able to allocate some time over the weekend, I am based in Sri
> Lanka ( IST time ) so I am thinking whether it will work for others. Just
> let me know what works best for you/others.
>
> I second what Dave mentioned, these need discussed on public threads and
> have some visibility over it. I have also noticed people replying to this
> email thread. Maybe we can encourage them to involve in these plans and
> join them in contributing to the project.
>
> I also want to seek advice from the board as well, specifically on moving
> forward, since there are no 3 PMC members active to even elect a single
> external contributor. I would like to know the board process to
> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members in cases such as
> this.
>
> Regards
> Kevin
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:55 AM Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kevin and folks
>>
>> Do you have time for a sync meeting over the weekend to discuss project
>> planning and roadmap?
>>
>> Considering people may live in different time zone so please share the
>> time you prefer so that we can best coordinate.
>>
>> Thanks and talk to you soon!
>>
>> Yanhui
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:03 PM
>> *To:* board@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>; yanhui.zhao@outlook.com <
>> yanhui.zhao@outlook.com>; qichfan@gmail.com <qi...@gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache
>> Mnemonic during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were
>> recognized and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was also a
>> bit discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I
>> couldn't continue my usual contributions.
>>
>> -1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward with
>> a plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you need help
>> from my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
>> [2]
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
>>
>> Regards
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Craig
>>
>>
>>
>> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have
>> been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of
>> Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but
>> not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will
>> send it out for the community reviews.
>>
>>
>>
>> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with
>> us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if
>> possible to keep the project moving forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> BR
>>
>>
>>
>> Yanhui Zhao
>>
>>
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Project goal:
>>
>> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with
>> persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
>>
>>
>>
>> Project objectives
>>
>> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
>>
>> 2) A improved documentation and website
>>
>> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
>>
>> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped
>> byte buffers (incubator)
>>
>> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
>>
>> 6) Verified code quality and testing
>>
>>
>>
>> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface for
>> storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the access
>> speed thus improving read/write performance
>>
>>
>>
>> Project Milestones
>>
>> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
>>
>> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
>>
>> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
>>
>>
>>
>> Project Communication
>>
>> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
>>
>> 2) Event based release meeting
>>
>> 3) Reporting meeting
>>
>> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
>>
>> 5) Management meeting on demand
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
>> *To:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
>> *Cc:* Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
>> *Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>>
>> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>>
>> tl;dr please reply to this message.
>>
>> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
>> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>>
>> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to
>> the health of the project.
>>
>> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity
>> in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
>> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to
>> find any evidence of this event.
>>
>> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
>> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
>> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC
>> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
>> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to
>> manage its releases.
>>
>> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons
>> and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it
>> can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and
>> the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>>
>> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>>
>> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
>> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
>> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to
>> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on
>> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's
>> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
>> oversight.
>>
>> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
>> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
>> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
>> development community.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Craig
>> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
>> clr@apache.org <mailto:clr@apache.org <cl...@apache.org>>
>>
>> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
>>
>>
>>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by "Gang(Gary) Wang" <ga...@apache.org>.
Hi Niclas,
It is clear and very helpful to guide us about our following steps,
Thanks
Gary
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:24 AM Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>
> Board is always positive to reinstate a working PMC, so if you can line up
> 3 willing PMC members, then the Board is happy to see it happen.
>
> If the existing PMC Chair is still active, the role has the mandate to add
> the PMC Member(s) needed without a PMC vote and simply refer to the
> situation of why a vote is missing when notifying Board of the changes to
> the PMC.
>
> If the PMC Chair is not active anymore and not able/willing to help reboot
> the PMC, then the Board need a resolution for change of PMC Chair. Once
> that is done, then the PMC Chair can add the new/extra PMC Members as
> mentioned above.
>
>
> Hope that helps
> Niclas
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020, 10:20 Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Zhao,
>>
>> I will be able to allocate some time over the weekend, I am based in Sri
>> Lanka ( IST time ) so I am thinking whether it will work for others. Just
>> let me know what works best for you/others.
>>
>> I second what Dave mentioned, these need discussed on public threads and
>> have some visibility over it. I have also noticed people replying to this
>> email thread. Maybe we can encourage them to involve in these plans and
>> join them in contributing to the project.
>>
>> I also want to seek advice from the board as well, specifically on moving
>> forward, since there are no 3 PMC members active to even elect a single
>> external contributor. I would like to know the board process to
>> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members in cases such as
>> this.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kevin
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:55 AM Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kevin and folks
>>>
>>> Do you have time for a sync meeting over the weekend to discuss project
>>> planning and roadmap?
>>>
>>> Considering people may live in different time zone so please share the
>>> time you prefer so that we can best coordinate.
>>>
>>> Thanks and talk to you soon!
>>>
>>> Yanhui
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:03 PM
>>> *To:* board@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>; yanhui.zhao@outlook.com <
>>> yanhui.zhao@outlook.com>; qichfan@gmail.com <qi...@gmail.com>
>>> *Cc:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache
>>> Mnemonic during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were
>>> recognized and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was also a
>>> bit discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I
>>> couldn't continue my usual contributions.
>>>
>>> -1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward
>>> with a plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you need
>>> help from my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
>>>
>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
>>> [2]
>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, Craig
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have
>>> been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of
>>> Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but
>>> not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will
>>> send it out for the community reviews.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with
>>> us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if
>>> possible to keep the project moving forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yanhui Zhao
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Project goal:
>>>
>>> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with
>>> persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Project objectives
>>>
>>> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
>>>
>>> 2) A improved documentation and website
>>>
>>> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
>>>
>>> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped
>>> byte buffers (incubator)
>>>
>>> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
>>>
>>> 6) Verified code quality and testing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface
>>> for storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the
>>> access speed thus improving read/write performance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Project Milestones
>>>
>>> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
>>>
>>> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
>>>
>>> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Project Communication
>>>
>>> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
>>>
>>> 2) Event based release meeting
>>>
>>> 3) Reporting meeting
>>>
>>> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
>>>
>>> 5) Management meeting on demand
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
>>> *To:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
>>> *Cc:* Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
>>> *Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>>>
>>> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>>>
>>> tl;dr please reply to this message.
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
>>> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>>>
>>> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to
>>> the health of the project.
>>>
>>> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity
>>> in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
>>> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to
>>> find any evidence of this event.
>>>
>>> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
>>> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
>>> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC
>>> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
>>> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to
>>> manage its releases.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good
>>> reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform
>>> oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly
>>> informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>>>
>>> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>>>
>>> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
>>> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
>>> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to
>>> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on
>>> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's
>>> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
>>> oversight.
>>>
>>> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
>>> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
>>> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
>>> development community.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Craig
>>> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
>>> clr@apache.org <mailto:clr@apache.org <cl...@apache.org>>
>>>
>>> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>.
Hi Zhao,
I will be able to allocate some time over the weekend, I am based in Sri
Lanka ( IST time ) so I am thinking whether it will work for others. Just
let me know what works best for you/others.
I second what Dave mentioned, these need discussed on public threads and
have some visibility over it. I have also noticed people replying to this
email thread. Maybe we can encourage them to involve in these plans and
join them in contributing to the project.
I also want to seek advice from the board as well, specifically on moving
forward, since there are no 3 PMC members active to even elect a single
external contributor. I would like to know the board process to
reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members in cases such as
this.
Regards
Kevin
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 6:55 AM Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Kevin and folks
>
> Do you have time for a sync meeting over the weekend to discuss project
> planning and roadmap?
>
> Considering people may live in different time zone so please share the
> time you prefer so that we can best coordinate.
>
> Thanks and talk to you soon!
>
> Yanhui
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:03 PM
> *To:* board@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>; yanhui.zhao@outlook.com <
> yanhui.zhao@outlook.com>; qichfan@gmail.com <qi...@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache Mnemonic
> during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were recognized
> and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was also a bit
> discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I couldn't
> continue my usual contributions.
>
> -1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward with
> a plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you need help
> from my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
>
> Regards
> Kevin
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Craig
>
>
>
> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have
> been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of
> Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but
> not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will
> send it out for the community reviews.
>
>
>
> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with
> us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if
> possible to keep the project moving forward.
>
>
>
> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
>
>
>
> BR
>
>
>
> Yanhui Zhao
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Project goal:
>
> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with
> persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
>
>
>
> Project objectives
>
> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
>
> 2) A improved documentation and website
>
> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
>
> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped
> byte buffers (incubator)
>
> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
>
> 6) Verified code quality and testing
>
>
>
> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface for
> storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the access
> speed thus improving read/write performance
>
>
>
> Project Milestones
>
> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
>
> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
>
> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
>
>
>
> Project Communication
>
> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
>
> 2) Event based release meeting
>
> 3) Reporting meeting
>
> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
>
> 5) Management meeting on demand
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
> *To:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> *Cc:* Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
> *Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>
> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>
> tl;dr please reply to this message.
>
> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>
> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to the
> health of the project.
>
> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity in
> the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to
> find any evidence of this event.
>
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC
> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to
> manage its releases.
>
> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons
> and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it
> can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and
> the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>
> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>
> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to
> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on
> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's
> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
> oversight.
>
> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
> development community.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Craig
> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <mailto:clr@apache.org <cl...@apache.org>>
>
> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Yanhui ZHAO <yz...@apache.org>.
Hi Kevin and folks
Do you have time for a sync meeting over the weekend to discuss project planning and roadmap?
Considering people may live in different time zone so please share the time you prefer so that we can best coordinate.
Thanks and talk to you soon!
Yanhui
________________________________
From: Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 2:03 PM
To: board@apache.org <bo...@apache.org>; yanhui.zhao@outlook.com <ya...@outlook.com>; qichfan@gmail.com <qi...@gmail.com>
Cc: dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Hi Folks,
I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache Mnemonic during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were recognized and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was also a bit discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I couldn't continue my usual contributions.
-1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward with a plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you need help from my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
[1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
[2] https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
Regards
Kevin
On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Thanks, Craig
This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will send it out for the community reviews.
As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if possible to keep the project moving forward.
Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
BR
Yanhui Zhao
===
Project goal:
To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
Project objectives
1) A stable and efficient CI system
2) A improved documentation and website
3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped byte buffers (incubator)
5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
6) Verified code quality and testing
Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface for storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the access speed thus improving read/write performance
Project Milestones
1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
Project Communication
1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
2) Event based release meeting
3) Reporting meeting
4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
5) Management meeting on demand
________________________________
From: Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org<ma...@mnemonic.apache.org> <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>>
Cc: Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>>
Subject: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
tl;dr please reply to this message.
[ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
[ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to the health of the project.
There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to find any evidence of this event.
As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to manage its releases.
On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in oversight.
Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the development community.
Best regards,
Craig
Director, The Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org<ma...@apache.org> <ma...@apache.org>
[1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Kevin Ratnasekera <dj...@gmail.com>.
Hi Folks,
I have worked with Gang in the past, I have contributed to Apache Mnemonic
during the past year. [1] I also noticed my contributions were recognized
and proposed me as a committer to the project. [2] I was also a bit
discouraged by the lack of activity by Mnemonic PMC except Gang, I couldn't
continue my usual contributions.
-1 from my end, I would also like to see this project moving forward with a
plan mentioned. Zhao, Gang I would like to volunteer, if you need help from
my end and couldn't find help from a 3rd member.
[1] https://github.com/apache/mnemonic/commits?author=djkevincr
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/508a6710cd60320a8ffbc2035fd154cfbfa1fadc23320456afd11578%40%3Cprivate.mnemonic.apache.org%3E
Regards
Kevin
On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 1:05 AM Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Craig
>
>
>
> This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have
> been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of
> Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but
> not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will
> send it out for the community reviews.
>
>
>
> As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with
> us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if
> possible to keep the project moving forward.
>
>
>
> Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
>
>
>
> BR
>
>
>
> Yanhui Zhao
>
>
>
> ===
>
> Project goal:
>
> To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with
> persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
>
>
>
> Project objectives
>
> 1) A stable and efficient CI system
>
> 2) A improved documentation and website
>
> 3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
>
> 4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped
> byte buffers (incubator)
>
> 5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
>
> 6) Verified code quality and testing
>
>
>
> Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface for
> storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the access
> speed thus improving read/write performance
>
>
>
> Project Milestones
>
> 1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
>
> 2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
>
> 3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
>
>
>
> Project Communication
>
> 1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
>
> 2) Event based release meeting
>
> 3) Reporting meeting
>
> 4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
>
> 5) Management meeting on demand
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
> *To:* dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
> *Cc:* Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
> *Subject:* [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
>
> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>
> tl;dr please reply to this message.
>
> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>
> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to the
> health of the project.
>
> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity in
> the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to
> find any evidence of this event.
>
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC
> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to
> manage its releases.
>
> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons
> and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it
> can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and
> the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>
> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>
> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to
> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on
> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's
> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
> oversight.
>
> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
> development community.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Craig
> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <mailto:clr@apache.org <cl...@apache.org>>
>
> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
>
>
>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Yanhui ZHAO <ya...@outlook.com>.
Thanks, Craig
This is Yanhui Zhao and I am a PMC member. After last ROLL Call I have been connecting with Gang through weekly meetings regarding the roadmap of Mnemonic for our next steps, and we are drafting some topics including but not limited information below. After finalizing the priorities list we will send it out for the community reviews.
As we are moving forward we hope a third current PMC member to work with us. If no current PMC volunteers, we hope to absorb new PMC member if possible to keep the project moving forward.
Please take this as my -1 vote with the reasoning above, thanks
BR
Yanhui Zhao
===
Project goal:
To deliver a pre-product durable object model library working with persistent memory and high performance storage at the end of next year.
Project objectives
1) A stable and efficient CI system
2) A improved documentation and website
3) Integrated with Bytebuddy
4) Supporting JDK14 and leveraging the feature of non-volatile mapped byte buffers (incubator)
5) Adding Redis as one of backend of durable object
6) Verified code quality and testing
Highlights key values of our project is (1) provide unified interface for storage(memory) backend, (2) remove se-des process to improve the access speed thus improving read/write performance
Project Milestones
1) Dec. 2020, CI documentation and website (v0.14.0)
2) May. 2021, Bytebuddy and JDK14 (v0.15.0)
3) Oct. 2020, Redis backend and quality (v0.16.0)
Project Communication
1) Weekly regular meeting 30mins - 60 mins
2) Event based release meeting
3) Reporting meeting
4) Maillist, Jira, PR based discussion
5) Management meeting on demand
________________________________
From: Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 2, 2020 3:10 PM
To: dev@mnemonic.apache.org <de...@mnemonic.apache.org>
Cc: Apache Board <bo...@apache.org>
Subject: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
tl;dr please reply to this message.
[ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
[ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to the health of the project.
There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity in the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to find any evidence of this event.
As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to manage its releases.
On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in oversight.
Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the development community.
Best regards,
Craig
Director, The Apache Software Foundation
clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
[1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Paley Shen <pa...@gmail.com>.
-1
ditto
thanks,
Paley
On Sat, Oct 3, 2020, 5:42 PM Li Shen <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -1
>
> The mnemonic project created a new durable object model. There is no other
> similar models to replace it. I think it’s worth to continue and give it
> another chance to grow up. Thanks!
>
> Best,
> Li
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 4:56 PM Chenyang Li <mo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > -1, still see some great value in this project, Gary’s point is valid.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 3:42 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thank Craig for this vote call.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > My vote is -1, my 2 cents, because the JDK 9 and later have deprecated
> > the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > unsafe feature, that make the core functionalities hardly upgradable.
> but
> >
> > >
> >
> > > the JDK14 introduced a hybrid memory supporting feature recently, the
> new
> >
> > >
> >
> > > incubator feature looks provided the promising infrastructure for
> durable
> >
> > >
> >
> > > object model to migrate upon. I think it could be possible to bring
> dev.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > together.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Gary
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 3:10 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > tl;dr please reply to this message.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard
> to
> >
> > > the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > health of the project.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the
> activity
> >
> > > in
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > the last several months is from just one person. The most recent
> board
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was
> unable
> > to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > find any evidence of this event.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3
> active
> >
> > > PMC
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are
> usually
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing
> > to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > manage its releases.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good
> > reasons
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform
> oversight,
> >
> > > it
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly
> informed
> >
> > > and
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member
> > responded.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please
> respond
> > to
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have
> moved
> >
> > > on
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the
> >
> > > project's
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest
> in
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > oversight.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > development community.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Best regards,
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Craig
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > --
> >
> > < = >
> >
> > LESS IS MORE
> >
> > --
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Li Shen <sh...@gmail.com>.
-1
The mnemonic project created a new durable object model. There is no other
similar models to replace it. I think it’s worth to continue and give it
another chance to grow up. Thanks!
Best,
Li
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 4:56 PM Chenyang Li <mo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> -1, still see some great value in this project, Gary’s point is valid.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 3:42 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thank Craig for this vote call.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > My vote is -1, my 2 cents, because the JDK 9 and later have deprecated
> the
>
> >
>
> > unsafe feature, that make the core functionalities hardly upgradable. but
>
> >
>
> > the JDK14 introduced a hybrid memory supporting feature recently, the new
>
> >
>
> > incubator feature looks provided the promising infrastructure for durable
>
> >
>
> > object model to migrate upon. I think it could be possible to bring dev.
>
> >
>
> > together.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks.
>
> >
>
> > Gary
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 3:10 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > tl;dr please reply to this message.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
>
> >
>
> > > [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to
>
> > the
>
> >
>
> > > health of the project.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity
>
> > in
>
> >
>
> > > the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
>
> >
>
> > > report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable
> to
>
> >
>
> > > find any evidence of this event.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
>
> >
>
> > > reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
>
> >
>
> > > Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active
>
> > PMC
>
> >
>
> > > members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
>
> >
>
> > > placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing
> to
>
> >
>
> > > manage its releases.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good
> reasons
>
> >
>
> > > and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight,
>
> > it
>
> >
>
> > > can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed
>
> > and
>
> >
>
> > > the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member
> responded.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
>
> >
>
> > > community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
>
> >
>
> > > reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond
> to
>
> >
>
> > > this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved
>
> > on
>
> >
>
> > > or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the
>
> > project's
>
> >
>
> > > status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
>
> >
>
> > > oversight.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
>
> >
>
> > > current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
>
> >
>
> > > source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
>
> >
>
> > > development community.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Best regards,
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > Craig
>
> >
>
> > > Director, The Apache Software Foundation
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Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Chenyang Li <mo...@gmail.com>.
-1, still see some great value in this project, Gary’s point is valid.
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 3:42 PM Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank Craig for this vote call.
>
>
>
> My vote is -1, my 2 cents, because the JDK 9 and later have deprecated the
>
> unsafe feature, that make the core functionalities hardly upgradable. but
>
> the JDK14 introduced a hybrid memory supporting feature recently, the new
>
> incubator feature looks provided the promising infrastructure for durable
>
> object model to migrate upon. I think it could be possible to bring dev.
>
> together.
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 3:10 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>
> >
>
> > tl;dr please reply to this message.
>
> >
>
> > [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
>
> > [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>
> >
>
> > I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to
> the
>
> > health of the project.
>
> >
>
> > There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity
> in
>
> > the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
>
> > report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to
>
> > find any evidence of this event.
>
> >
>
> > As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
>
> > reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
>
> > Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active
> PMC
>
> > members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
>
> > placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to
>
> > manage its releases.
>
> >
>
> > On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons
>
> > and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight,
> it
>
> > can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed
> and
>
> > the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>
> >
>
> > There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>
> >
>
> > At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
>
> > community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
>
> > reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to
>
> > this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved
> on
>
> > or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the
> project's
>
> > status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
>
> > oversight.
>
> >
>
> > Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
>
> > current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
>
> > source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
>
> > development community.
>
> >
>
> > Best regards,
>
> >
>
> > Craig
>
> > Director, The Apache Software Foundation
>
> > clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
>
> >
>
> > [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
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> >
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> >
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LESS IS MORE
Re: [VOTE] Apache Mnemonic retirement
Posted by Gary Wong <qi...@gmail.com>.
Thank Craig for this vote call.
My vote is -1, my 2 cents, because the JDK 9 and later have deprecated the
unsafe feature, that make the core functionalities hardly upgradable. but
the JDK14 introduced a hybrid memory supporting feature recently, the new
incubator feature looks provided the promising infrastructure for durable
object model to migrate upon. I think it could be possible to bring dev.
together.
Thanks.
Gary
On Fri, Oct 2, 2020, 3:10 PM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear members of the Mnemonic Community,
>
> tl;dr please reply to this message.
>
> [ ] +1 retire the Mnemonic project
> [ ] -1 do not retire the Mnemonic project because...
>
> I am getting in touch with the Mnemonic community members in regard to the
> health of the project.
>
> There appears to be some work being done but almost all of the activity in
> the last several months is from just one person. The most recent board
> report states that one PMC member left in August 2020 but I was unable to
> find any evidence of this event.
>
> As projects mature, they will naturally reach a point where activity
> reduces to a level such that the project is no longer sustainable. At
> Apache, projects reach this stage when there are not at least 3 active PMC
> members providing oversight. Projects that reach this stage are usually
> placed in the Attic [1] or absorbed by another Apache project willing to
> manage its releases.
>
> On the other hand, if your project has very low activity for good reasons
> and has at least three active PMC members willing to perform oversight, it
> can remain an Apache project so long as the Board is properly informed and
> the project remains open and welcoming to new contributors.
>
> There was a ROLL CALL last month to which only one PMC member responded.
>
> At this time, I am requesting a formal VOTE of the Apache Mnemonic
> community. If you feel that this project is still viable, and able to
> reconstitute an active PMC with at least three members, please respond to
> this message accordingly. If you are a member of the PMC but have moved on
> or are no longer able to participate, please tell us so that the project's
> status is clear. Failure to respond will indicate a lack of interest in
> oversight.
>
> Please don't take this message as a criticism of the project or its
> current chair. This is an expected event in the timeline of many open
> source projects, and sometimes results in a renewed interest from the
> development community.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Craig
> Director, The Apache Software Foundation
> clr@apache.org <ma...@apache.org>
>
> [1] https://attic.apache.org/ <https://attic.apache.org/>
>
>
>