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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Sam Ruby <ru...@us.ibm.com> on 2001/03/07 17:04:00 UTC
Jakarta PMC election results
Preface:
Before Pier calls me an ass again... ;-)
I would like to point out that despite being the chair to the PMC, I
have never had the opportunity to actually observe an election of a PMC
member. My election to the PMC was done in private as had all others
before me, and no members have been elected since.
I can only go on the written word of the bylaws and the advice I hear
from people who understand the background behind these bylaws. As Pier
clearly was there at the time, I respect his opinion. I interpret his
words to essentially mean that null PMC votes "[]" are intended to
reduce the size of the pool when assessing a 3/4's majority, and "[+0]"
votes are essentially to be interpreted as "While I don't know this
person enough to make an assessment, I'm willing to vote positively for
this person based on other people's recommendation".
I am quite prepared to hear challenges on my interpretations above. And
slurs against my character. ;-)
PMC member voting results:
Peter Donald: five +1's, one +0, one -1. Passes.
Diane Holt: six +1's. Passes. Beyond challenge.
Ted Husted: five +1's, one +0. Passes.
Ceki Gülcü: seven +1's. Passes. Beyond challange.
Geir Magnusson Jr.: four +1's, two +0's. Passes.
Daniel F. Savarese: four +1's, two +0's. Passes.
Jason van Zyl: four +1's, two +0's. Passes.
Other voting results:
Peter Donald: +6
Diane Holt: +2
Ted Husted: +6
Ceki Gülcü: +7
Geir Magnusson Jr.: +4
Daniel F. Savarese: +3
Jason van Zyl: +5
Costin Manolache: +1
Additionally, concerns were raised as to the closed nature of the
nomination process, and the perceived exclusion of those people working
on the Jakarta Tomcat 3.3 release.
I'll wait a day or so to see if any challenges surface before updating the
web site with this information. Meanwhile, I will begin to post matters
relating to other PMC business to this mailing list, starting with matters
of logistics and content of the next PMC meeting.
- Sam Ruby
Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
That list is perfect, Jon. Thanks!
Perhaps the PMC might go as far as to designate point
person(s) for each subproject? E.g. if nobody from
the PMC is monitoring the dev mailing list for a
particular project, they're not really in the know
despite their karma. I know that those karma lists
are considerably longer than the people I hear from in
a typical week, which makes me fear that some are not
active participants.
--- Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> wrote:
> on 3/8/01 2:39 PM, "Morgan Delagrange"
> <md...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > So if you cross-reference this list against
> Jakarta
> > subprojects, you get the following subproject
> > representation:
> >
>
> Ah, I see what you are trying to do.
>
> Actually, it is better to just look at the avail
> file and get your data that
> way. That is about as specific as possible because
> it shows who has CVS
> write access to what.
>
>
<http://www.apache.org/websrc/viewcvs.cgi/CVSROOT/avail>
>
> From that POV, you can see that there are ASF
> members and or PMC members
> involved with *every* Jakarta Project currently
> available.
>
> In reality, we should simply create another page on
> the website that lists
> things out in exact specifics. It would be something
> similar to what I
> started here:
>
>
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/members-projects.html>
>
> As you can see, I'm involved with quite a few
> projects. :-) It would be nice
> if others picked up the balls as well. I'm getting
> tired.
>
> -jon
>
>
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Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 3/8/01 2:39 PM, "Morgan Delagrange" <md...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So if you cross-reference this list against Jakarta
> subprojects, you get the following subproject
> representation:
>
Ah, I see what you are trying to do.
Actually, it is better to just look at the avail file and get your data that
way. That is about as specific as possible because it shows who has CVS
write access to what.
<http://www.apache.org/websrc/viewcvs.cgi/CVSROOT/avail>
>From that POV, you can see that there are ASF members and or PMC members
involved with *every* Jakarta Project currently available.
In reality, we should simply create another page on the website that lists
things out in exact specifics. It would be something similar to what I
started here:
<http://www.apache.org/foundation/members-projects.html>
As you can see, I'm involved with quite a few projects. :-) It would be nice
if others picked up the balls as well. I'm getting tired.
-jon
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Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Pierpaolo Fumagalli:
> Jserv, probably Tomcat?
> Craig McClanahan:
> Jserv, Struts, probably Tomcat?
Jserv is dead, and both of us are working on Tomcat 4.0
Pier
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Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
Ah, so according to the site the proposed PMC
represents:
Peter Donald:
Avalon, Ant
Diane Holt:
No listing on Site, don't know her
work
Ted Husted:
Site doesn't list Karma, but I know
he at least works on Struts
Ceki G�lc�:
Log4J
Geir Magnusson Jr.:
Velocity
Daniel F. Savarese:
Site doesn't list Karma, probably ORO
Hans Bergsten:
Site doesn't list Karma, don't know his
work, probably Tomcat?
James Duncan Davidson:
Tomcat, Ant
Pierpaolo Fumagalli:
Jserv, probably Tomcat?
Craig McClanahan:
Jserv, Struts, probably Tomcat?
Sam Ruby:
Site doesn't list Karma, don't know his work
(other that his Chairmanship, that is :)
Jon S. Stevens:
JServ, ECS, Turbine
Anil Vijendran:
Tomcat
So if you cross-reference this list against Jakarta
subprojects, you get the following subproject
representation:
Ant 2
Avalon 1
ECS 1
James 0
Jetspeed 0
JMeter 0
Log4J 1
ORO 1
Regexp 0
Slide 0
Struts 2
Taglibs 0
Tomcat 5
Turbine 1
Velocity 1
Watchdog 1
An improvement, I guess, but still not perfect. The
Apache board's compliant still seems legitimate, since
we don't really know who's representing what.
Maybe Sam could comment on the roles of the nominees,
since I'm sure he knows what project they work on, and
the site is not specific enough.
--- Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> wrote:
> on 3/8/01 11:44 AM, "Morgan Delagrange"
> <md...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have no objection to the elections, but for the
> > benefit of the Jakarta members, could a current
> PMC
> > member please list the PMC members (current and
> > proposed) and which projects they are qualified to
> > represent? I at least would like to know who's
> > speaking for what project.
> >
> > - Morgan
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html
>
> -jon
>
>
>
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Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 3/8/01 11:44 AM, "Morgan Delagrange" <md...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have no objection to the elections, but for the
> benefit of the Jakarta members, could a current PMC
> member please list the PMC members (current and
> proposed) and which projects they are qualified to
> represent? I at least would like to know who's
> speaking for what project.
>
> - Morgan
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html
-jon
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Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by Morgan Delagrange <md...@yahoo.com>.
Hi all,
I have no objection to the elections, but for the
benefit of the Jakarta members, could a current PMC
member please list the PMC members (current and
proposed) and which projects they are qualified to
represent? I at least would like to know who's
speaking for what project.
- Morgan
--- Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> wrote:
> on 3/7/01 8:04 AM, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Peter Donald: five +1's, one +0, one -1.
> Passes.
> > Diane Holt: six +1's. Passes.
> Beyond challenge.
> > Ted Husted: five +1's, one +0. Passes.
> > Ceki G�lc�: seven +1's. Passes.
> Beyond challange.
> > Geir Magnusson Jr.: four +1's, two +0's.
> Passes.
> > Daniel F. Savarese: four +1's, two +0's.
> Passes.
> > Jason van Zyl: four +1's, two +0's.
> Passes.
>
> +1
>
> -jon
>
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Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 3/7/01 8:04 AM, "Sam Ruby" <ru...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Peter Donald: five +1's, one +0, one -1. Passes.
> Diane Holt: six +1's. Passes. Beyond challenge.
> Ted Husted: five +1's, one +0. Passes.
> Ceki Gülcü: seven +1's. Passes. Beyond challange.
> Geir Magnusson Jr.: four +1's, two +0's. Passes.
> Daniel F. Savarese: four +1's, two +0's. Passes.
> Jason van Zyl: four +1's, two +0's. Passes.
+1
-jon
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Re: Jakarta PMC election results
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Sam Ruby <ru...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> Before Pier calls me an ass again... ;-)
Ok, you dodged it this time :)
> I interpret his
> words to essentially mean that null PMC votes "[]" are intended to
> reduce the size of the pool when assessing a 3/4's majority
Was it _that_ hard to understand ? :)
Pier
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