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ODF 1.2 and AOO ?
Hi
Can someone please help me understand the implications of this:
https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/17/open-document-format-odf-1-2-published-as-international-standard-263002015-by-isoiec/
Do we also support ODF 1.2 ?
if yes, then we should also tell it, if not what are the implications ?
I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.
thanks for any information.
rgds
jan i.
Re: ODF 1.2 and AOO ?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@robweir.com>.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 6:06 AM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Can someone please help me understand the implications of this:
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/17/open-document-format-odf-1-2-published-as-international-standard-263002015-by-isoiec/
>
> Do we also support ODF 1.2 ?
> if yes, then we should also tell it, if not what are the implications ?
>
> I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.
>
Think of this as a status change for ODF 1.2. It was an
"international standard" (with lower-case "i") because it was approved
by OASIS. Now it is an "International Standard" (with capital "I")
because it was approved by ISO/IEC JTC1. The text of the
specification is not changed, except for a small number of editorial
corrections, but the standard now has an additional level of approval.
This doesn't impact AOO directly, but may impact its adoption,
especially if a particular user requires the use of ISO standards,
e.g., some public sector agencies.
Regards,
-Rob
> thanks for any information.
>
> rgds
> jan i.
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Re: ODF 1.2 and AOO ?
Posted by RA Stehmann <an...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de>.
On 17.07.2015 14:00, Simon Phipps wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.
>>
>
> While it was approved as an OASIS standard in 2011, it only became an
> official and approved ISO standard in mid-June. More at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_standardization#OpenDocument_1.2
So it's something for our marketing.
Now we can say, that AOO supports the newest ISO standard of document
formats (Yes, other Free office suits do it, too.)
Regards
Michael
Re: ODF 1.2 and AOO ?
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 11:06 AM, jan i <ja...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.
>
While it was approved as an OASIS standard in 2011, it only became an
official and approved ISO standard in mid-June. More at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument_standardization#OpenDocument_1.2
S.
Re: ODF 1.2 and AOO ?
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 17 July 2015 at 15:23, Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de> wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> jan i schrieb:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Can someone please help me understand the implications of this:
>>
>> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/17/open-document-format-odf-1-2-published-as-international-standard-263002015-by-isoiec/
>>
>> Do we also support ODF 1.2 ?
>> if yes, then we should also tell it, if not what are the implications ?
>>
>> I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.
>>
>> thanks for any information.
>>
>>
> In regard to marketing, read
> http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00240.html
>
> ODF 1.2 is not old, but the current version of the standard. Work has
> started for an errata to 1.2 and for a version 1.3, but both are in a very
> early stage. There are currently only about ten active members in the
> Technical Committee and they do not work on the standard in full time [in
> my case all is in my spare time], therefore the progress is very slow.
>
> ODF 1.2 is the native format for documents generated by AOO, but there
> exists still some elements in ODF 1.2, which AOO does not support.
>
> ODF 1.2 is an implementer driven standard. You should not think, that
> there is a group of people, who invents the standard, and then application
> developers will implement it. That is not the way standardization works.
> What really happens is, that the application developers implement features
> to satisfy their customers. And when this feature is not only implemented
> in one application, but in others too, then this feature is considered to
> go into the next version of the standard. Currently those features are of
> interest, which improve interoperability with OOXML, and "change tracking"
> is of special interest.
>
> Therefore the file format is not "ODF 1.2" but "ODF 1.2 extended". AOO
> writes always "ODF 1.2. extended", LO has an option to write pure "ODF
> 1.2". The ODF 1.2 standard uses the mechanism of namespaces to make such
> extensions possible. When such feature goes into the standard, then the
> code has to be changed to read and write the new standardized element. On
> reading a document, the element in AOO namespace will then be mapped to the
> corresponding element from the standard. Such change is not really
> difficult, because AOO does not work on the file format directly but has
> its own internal model.
>
thanks a lot for taking time to explain it in an understandable way. To be
honest I had the wrong impression of how these standards come to be.
rgds
jan I.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
>
>
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Re: ODF 1.2 and AOO ?
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi Jan,
jan i schrieb:
> Hi
>
> Can someone please help me understand the implications of this:
> https://blog.documentfoundation.org/2015/07/17/open-document-format-odf-1-2-published-as-international-standard-263002015-by-isoiec/
>
> Do we also support ODF 1.2 ?
> if yes, then we should also tell it, if not what are the implications ?
>
> I thought ODF 1.2 was relative old, but I might be wrong.
>
> thanks for any information.
>
In regard to marketing, read
http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/announce/msg00240.html
ODF 1.2 is not old, but the current version of the standard. Work has
started for an errata to 1.2 and for a version 1.3, but both are in a
very early stage. There are currently only about ten active members in
the Technical Committee and they do not work on the standard in full
time [in my case all is in my spare time], therefore the progress is
very slow.
ODF 1.2 is the native format for documents generated by AOO, but there
exists still some elements in ODF 1.2, which AOO does not support.
ODF 1.2 is an implementer driven standard. You should not think, that
there is a group of people, who invents the standard, and then
application developers will implement it. That is not the way
standardization works. What really happens is, that the application
developers implement features to satisfy their customers. And when this
feature is not only implemented in one application, but in others too,
then this feature is considered to go into the next version of the
standard. Currently those features are of interest, which improve
interoperability with OOXML, and "change tracking" is of special interest.
Therefore the file format is not "ODF 1.2" but "ODF 1.2 extended". AOO
writes always "ODF 1.2. extended", LO has an option to write pure "ODF
1.2". The ODF 1.2 standard uses the mechanism of namespaces to make such
extensions possible. When such feature goes into the standard, then the
code has to be changed to read and write the new standardized element.
On reading a document, the element in AOO namespace will then be mapped
to the corresponding element from the standard. Such change is not
really difficult, because AOO does not work on the file format directly
but has its own internal model.
Kind regards
Regina
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