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Posted to dev@hc.apache.org by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@bearingpoint.com> on 2004/10/11 16:12:18 UTC
[Bugzilla] vs [JIRA] revisited
Folks
Due to the recent upgrade of HttpClient to a full project in Bugzilla
JIRA no longer has a definitive edge over Bugzilla. Nonetheless, JIRA
still a newer and more flexible system which can potentially make our
life and that of our users simpler.
http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-74
The only fundamental gripe with JIRA that some folks have is that it is
not open-source. I do not think we should try to be holier than the Pope
himself, since too many projects have already defected to JIRA
Religious reasons aside, I also foresee technical difficulties too.
Currently (at least with Bugzilla 2.14.2) there appears no way to make a
project completely read-only. Submission of new reports can be disabled,
but one can still modify the existing bug reports.
There is a few options:
(1) Ask folks to resubmit their comments in JIRA when important / ignore
modifications made in Bugzilla when unimportant.
(2) Tweak Bugzilla a little to prevent mutation of existing reports.
Note, supposedly Apache Bugzilla is already a fork. So, the real trouble
here is to convince the Infrastructure folks to apply a patch, and more
importantly reapply it every time Bugzilla is upgraded. Now, the REAL
REAL trouble is that it almost took a full scale nuclear conflict
between the Evil Russian Empire (me) and the Freedom Alliance (the
Infrastructure team) to implement what turned out to be a fairly minor
change to get HttpClient promoted to a project status. From now on, I am
deeply skeptical about everything that has to do with Bugzilla
maintenance. Besides, I may not survive yet another squabble with Noel.
(3) Wait until other Jakarta Commons project migrate first. Long may be
the wait, though
So, what's the popular opinion on that? Non-committers are highly
encouraged to voice their opinion too
Evil Comrade Oleg
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Re: [Bugzilla] vs [JIRA] revisited
Posted by Adrian Sutton <ad...@intencha.com>.
+1, even rats are smart enough to jump off a sinking ship. :)
All the support within Apache is moving to JIRA and it should do what
we want a little better.
Regards,
Adrian Sutton.
On 19/10/2004, at 11:44 PM, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
>
> Folks,
> As a result of the discussion my assumption is that we want to go ahead
> with migration from Bugzilla to JIRA. If you have any objections or
> concerns it is the right time to voice them. I am going to update the
> change request <http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-74> shortly
> stating out intention to proceed with the migration if no one speaks
> out.
>
> Oleg
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Re: [Bugzilla] vs [JIRA] revisited
Posted by Oleg Kalnichevski <ol...@bearingpoint.com>.
Folks,
As a result of the discussion my assumption is that we want to go ahead
with migration from Bugzilla to JIRA. If you have any objections or
concerns it is the right time to voice them. I am going to update the
change request <http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-74> shortly
stating out intention to proceed with the migration if no one speaks
out.
Oleg
On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 16:12, Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
> Folks
>
> Due to the recent upgrade of HttpClient to a full project in Bugzilla
> JIRA no longer has a definitive edge over Bugzilla. Nonetheless, JIRA
> still a newer and more flexible system which can potentially make our
> life and that of our users simpler.
>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-74
>
> The only fundamental gripe with JIRA that some folks have is that it is
> not open-source. I do not think we should try to be holier than the Pope
> himself, since too many projects have already defected to JIRA
>
> Religious reasons aside, I also foresee technical difficulties too.
> Currently (at least with Bugzilla 2.14.2) there appears no way to make a
> project completely read-only. Submission of new reports can be disabled,
> but one can still modify the existing bug reports.
>
> There is a few options:
>
> (1) Ask folks to resubmit their comments in JIRA when important / ignore
> modifications made in Bugzilla when unimportant.
>
> (2) Tweak Bugzilla a little to prevent mutation of existing reports.
> Note, supposedly Apache Bugzilla is already a fork. So, the real trouble
> here is to convince the Infrastructure folks to apply a patch, and more
> importantly reapply it every time Bugzilla is upgraded. Now, the REAL
> REAL trouble is that it almost took a full scale nuclear conflict
> between the Evil Russian Empire (me) and the Freedom Alliance (the
> Infrastructure team) to implement what turned out to be a fairly minor
> change to get HttpClient promoted to a project status. From now on, I am
> deeply skeptical about everything that has to do with Bugzilla
> maintenance. Besides, I may not survive yet another squabble with Noel.
>
> (3) Wait until other Jakarta Commons project migrate first. Long may be
> the wait, though
>
> So, what's the popular opinion on that? Non-committers are highly
> encouraged to voice their opinion too
>
> Evil Comrade Oleg
>
>
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Re: [Bugzilla] vs [JIRA] revisited
Posted by Roland Weber <RO...@de.ibm.com>.
Hi Oleg,
could we synchronize the switch with the 4.0 implementation?
In other words, continue with Bugzilla for 2.0 and 3.0, but once
work gets started on 4.0, where the API changes and the package
names probably change, then the bug tracking system changes
as well?
cheers,
Roland