Olio - show off Click

[Geoff Hopson <ge...@gmail.com>]

Opportunity to show off Click against RoR, PHP and other JEE platforms?

If only I had the time...someone else?

http://incubator.apache.org/olio/

Re: Olio - show off Click

[Bob Schellink <sa...@gmail.com>]

Interesting project. However it doesn't seem the Java implementation 
is available yet.


Geoff Hopson wrote:
> Opportunity to show off Click against RoR, PHP and other JEE platforms?
> 
> If only I had the time...someone else?
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/olio/
> 

Re: Olio - show off Click

[Demetrios Kyriakis <de...@gmail.com>]

>> I don't think this is really practical(for Click at least): one can't 
>> really compare apples to oranges.
>> Things that are very important for developers like: the ease of learn, 
>> consistence, good documentation, speed, efficiency, etc. are not 
>> really taken in consideration in that project. These are however the 
>> main advantages of using Click :).
> 
> 
> Olio implementations should benefit the greater Java community as there 
> will be at least some common ground to compare frameworks against.
> 
> Didn't you attempt to port the Stripes bugzooky example to compare the 
> two frameworks? What is the difference between that and an Olio example? 
Well, that was just a "one to one" comparison. That original example was 
supposed to express the "advantages" of Stripes(so it was "prepared"), 
and my Click example just tried to show that with Click that thing was 
even simpler.

> To my mind the more examples of Click are available the better, why 
> would you want to downplay that?
Sure the more examples the better, but I think they're just examples
- should not be taken as "comparison base" to judge frameworks upon.

Olio however tries to pretend to be more, and I think in that case the 
real Click advantages won't really come to light.

I start to think that we need some tool (e.g. something like a GUI 
builder - but it might be without the WYSIWYG part), to use it in 
screencasts to show the power of Click.

well, I'm just thinking loud,

Demetrios.

Re: Olio - show off Click

[Bob Schellink <sa...@gmail.com>]

Demetrios Kyriakis wrote:
> I don't think this is really practical(for Click at least): one can't 
> really compare apples to oranges.
> Things that are very important for developers like: the ease of learn, 
> consistence, good documentation, speed, efficiency, etc. are not really 
> taken in consideration in that project. These are however the main 
> advantages of using Click :).


Olio implementations should benefit the greater Java community as 
there will be at least some common ground to compare frameworks against.

Didn't you attempt to port the Stripes bugzooky example to compare the 
two frameworks? What is the difference between that and an Olio 
example? To my mind the more examples of Click are available the 
better, why would you want to downplay that?

Re: Olio - show off Click

[Demetrios Kyriakis <de...@gmail.com>]

> Opportunity to show off Click against RoR, PHP and other JEE platforms?
> 
> If only I had the time...someone else?
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/olio/
I don't think this is really practical(for Click at least): one can't 
really compare apples to oranges.
Things that are very important for developers like: the ease of learn, 
consistence, good documentation, speed, efficiency, etc. are not really 
taken in consideration in that project. These are however the main 
advantages of using Click :).

Demetrios.