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Posted to dev@plc4x.apache.org by Jukka Sirviö <ju...@mipro.fi> on 2023/01/05 16:41:12 UTC
schneider plc & eip
Hello,
I'm using eip_update branch,
the plc does provide ethernet/ip, but I'm not able to set up the connection correctly.
plc indicates that it does have support for ConnectionManager, but when sending Open Connection Manager EIP Package, the tcpdump indicates that large forward open is not supported. Any ideas what are my alternatives here? Some of the supported attributes (cip object model) for the plc are 1 (Identity), 2 (MessageRouter), 4 (Assembly), 6 (Connection manager), 244 (Port), 245 (TCP/IP), 246 (Eth Link).. total of 21 attributes.
145 46.246813 originator → target CIP CM 146 Connection Manager - Large Forward Open (Message Router)
146 46.249130 target → originator CIP CM 98 Service not supported: Connection Manager - Large Forward Open
thanks for help:
-Jukka
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Re: schneider plc & eip
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi all,
yeah … it seems that most EIP PLCs use EIP and CIP as basis but have their own set of services with their own IDs.
I think we might need driver variants where we use different constants for different types of vendors.
Not sure how easily we’ll be able to auto-detect, stuff, but perhaps a connection option is needed here.
I really hope in a few weeks I’ll be able to convince the folks at my day-job to go all-in with PLC4X.
Then I would probably be able to get a lot of additional stuff in, but right now it’s not looking good for that :-(
Chris
From: Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, 7. January 2023 at 13:52
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: Re: schneider plc & eip
Ah wait, it might use a different CIP service ID (0x54 instead of 0x5B).
Is there any chance you could get us a packet capture of a successful
connection?
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Taking a look at it within onConnectOpenConnectionManager within the
> EipProtocolLogic class, there are a couple of 4002 values (These should
> definitely be constants), but changing these to 504 should result in a
> smaller message siye being used.
>
> Let us know if this works and if you need some help adjusting the logic to
> have this configurable or used as a fallback.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:29 AM Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> and I should mention, that EIP support is probably the least tested
>> driver regarding features.
>> This is due to a lack of hardware for testing. This might change in the
>> (near) future, but right now
>> all I had, when developing the driver, was a simple 2 channel digital IO
>> component.
>>
>> However if you want, I’d be happy to help you improve the driver.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Thursday, 5. January 2023 at 18:08
>> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: schneider plc & eip
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> Your best bet is probably to take a look at adding support for smaller
>> message sizes. The ‘large’ part of the large forward open refers to the
>> message size (I think for large connections it is around 1500?) a normal
>> forward open is around 500? Bytes or so.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 at 5:42 pm, Jukka Sirviö <ju...@mipro.fi>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> > I'm using eip_update branch,
>> > the plc does provide ethernet/ip, but I'm not able to set up the
>> > connection correctly.
>> >
>> > plc indicates that it does have support for ConnectionManager, but when
>> > sending Open Connection Manager EIP Package, the tcpdump indicates that
>> > large forward open is not supported. Any ideas what are my alternatives
>> > here? Some of the supported attributes (cip object model) for the plc
>> are 1
>> > (Identity), 2 (MessageRouter), 4 (Assembly), 6 (Connection manager), 244
>> > (Port), 245 (TCP/IP), 246 (Eth Link).. total of 21 attributes.
>> >
>> > 145 46.246813 originator → target CIP CM 146 Connection Manager - Large
>> > Forward Open (Message Router)
>> > 146 46.249130 target → originator CIP CM 98 Service not supported:
>> > Connection Manager - Large Forward Open
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks for help:
>> > -Jukka
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > Tämä sähköpostiviesti (liitteineen) saattaa sisältää luottamuksellista
>> > tietoa, joka on tarkoitettu
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>> > lähettäjälle tapahtuneesta
>> > virheestä ja tuhoa viesti välittömästi. Viestin luvaton julkaiseminen,
>> > kopioiminen, jakelu tai muu
>> > käyttö tai toimenpiteisiin ryhtyminen sen perusteella on ehdottomasti
>> > kielletty.
>> >
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>> > information intended for
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Re: schneider plc & eip
Posted by Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>.
Ah wait, it might use a different CIP service ID (0x54 instead of 0x5B).
Is there any chance you could get us a packet capture of a successful
connection?
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:45 PM Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Taking a look at it within onConnectOpenConnectionManager within the
> EipProtocolLogic class, there are a couple of 4002 values (These should
> definitely be constants), but changing these to 504 should result in a
> smaller message siye being used.
>
> Let us know if this works and if you need some help adjusting the logic to
> have this configurable or used as a fallback.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:29 AM Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> and I should mention, that EIP support is probably the least tested
>> driver regarding features.
>> This is due to a lack of hardware for testing. This might change in the
>> (near) future, but right now
>> all I had, when developing the driver, was a simple 2 channel digital IO
>> component.
>>
>> However if you want, I’d be happy to help you improve the driver.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>
>> Date: Thursday, 5. January 2023 at 18:08
>> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: schneider plc & eip
>> Hi Jukka,
>>
>> Your best bet is probably to take a look at adding support for smaller
>> message sizes. The ‘large’ part of the large forward open refers to the
>> message size (I think for large connections it is around 1500?) a normal
>> forward open is around 500? Bytes or so.
>>
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 at 5:42 pm, Jukka Sirviö <ju...@mipro.fi>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> > I'm using eip_update branch,
>> > the plc does provide ethernet/ip, but I'm not able to set up the
>> > connection correctly.
>> >
>> > plc indicates that it does have support for ConnectionManager, but when
>> > sending Open Connection Manager EIP Package, the tcpdump indicates that
>> > large forward open is not supported. Any ideas what are my alternatives
>> > here? Some of the supported attributes (cip object model) for the plc
>> are 1
>> > (Identity), 2 (MessageRouter), 4 (Assembly), 6 (Connection manager), 244
>> > (Port), 245 (TCP/IP), 246 (Eth Link).. total of 21 attributes.
>> >
>> > 145 46.246813 originator → target CIP CM 146 Connection Manager - Large
>> > Forward Open (Message Router)
>> > 146 46.249130 target → originator CIP CM 98 Service not supported:
>> > Connection Manager - Large Forward Open
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks for help:
>> > -Jukka
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > Tämä sähköpostiviesti (liitteineen) saattaa sisältää luottamuksellista
>> > tietoa, joka on tarkoitettu
>> > vain vastaanottajalleen. Jos et ole oikea vastaanottaja, ilmoita viestin
>> > lähettäjälle tapahtuneesta
>> > virheestä ja tuhoa viesti välittömästi. Viestin luvaton julkaiseminen,
>> > kopioiminen, jakelu tai muu
>> > käyttö tai toimenpiteisiin ryhtyminen sen perusteella on ehdottomasti
>> > kielletty.
>> >
>> > This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential
>> > information intended for
>> > the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the
>> intended
>> > recipient, notify the
>> > sender and delete this message immediately. Notice that disclosing,
>> > copying, distributing or any
>> > other use of the message and its information, or taking any action based
>> > on it, is strictly prohibited.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>>
>
Re: schneider plc & eip
Posted by Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>.
Taking a look at it within onConnectOpenConnectionManager within the
EipProtocolLogic class, there are a couple of 4002 values (These should
definitely be constants), but changing these to 504 should result in a
smaller message siye being used.
Let us know if this works and if you need some help adjusting the logic to
have this configurable or used as a fallback.
On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 10:29 AM Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>
wrote:
> Hi Jukka,
>
> and I should mention, that EIP support is probably the least tested driver
> regarding features.
> This is due to a lack of hardware for testing. This might change in the
> (near) future, but right now
> all I had, when developing the driver, was a simple 2 channel digital IO
> component.
>
> However if you want, I’d be happy to help you improve the driver.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> From: Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>
> Date: Thursday, 5. January 2023 at 18:08
> To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: schneider plc & eip
> Hi Jukka,
>
> Your best bet is probably to take a look at adding support for smaller
> message sizes. The ‘large’ part of the large forward open refers to the
> message size (I think for large connections it is around 1500?) a normal
> forward open is around 500? Bytes or so.
>
> Ben
>
> On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 at 5:42 pm, Jukka Sirviö <ju...@mipro.fi> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > I'm using eip_update branch,
> > the plc does provide ethernet/ip, but I'm not able to set up the
> > connection correctly.
> >
> > plc indicates that it does have support for ConnectionManager, but when
> > sending Open Connection Manager EIP Package, the tcpdump indicates that
> > large forward open is not supported. Any ideas what are my alternatives
> > here? Some of the supported attributes (cip object model) for the plc
> are 1
> > (Identity), 2 (MessageRouter), 4 (Assembly), 6 (Connection manager), 244
> > (Port), 245 (TCP/IP), 246 (Eth Link).. total of 21 attributes.
> >
> > 145 46.246813 originator → target CIP CM 146 Connection Manager - Large
> > Forward Open (Message Router)
> > 146 46.249130 target → originator CIP CM 98 Service not supported:
> > Connection Manager - Large Forward Open
> >
> >
> > thanks for help:
> > -Jukka
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > Tämä sähköpostiviesti (liitteineen) saattaa sisältää luottamuksellista
> > tietoa, joka on tarkoitettu
> > vain vastaanottajalleen. Jos et ole oikea vastaanottaja, ilmoita viestin
> > lähettäjälle tapahtuneesta
> > virheestä ja tuhoa viesti välittömästi. Viestin luvaton julkaiseminen,
> > kopioiminen, jakelu tai muu
> > käyttö tai toimenpiteisiin ryhtyminen sen perusteella on ehdottomasti
> > kielletty.
> >
> > This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential
> > information intended for
> > the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the
> intended
> > recipient, notify the
> > sender and delete this message immediately. Notice that disclosing,
> > copying, distributing or any
> > other use of the message and its information, or taking any action based
> > on it, is strictly prohibited.
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
>
Re: schneider plc & eip
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Hi Jukka,
and I should mention, that EIP support is probably the least tested driver regarding features.
This is due to a lack of hardware for testing. This might change in the (near) future, but right now
all I had, when developing the driver, was a simple 2 channel digital IO component.
However if you want, I’d be happy to help you improve the driver.
Chris
From: Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, 5. January 2023 at 18:08
To: dev@plc4x.apache.org <de...@plc4x.apache.org>
Subject: Re: schneider plc & eip
Hi Jukka,
Your best bet is probably to take a look at adding support for smaller
message sizes. The ‘large’ part of the large forward open refers to the
message size (I think for large connections it is around 1500?) a normal
forward open is around 500? Bytes or so.
Ben
On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 at 5:42 pm, Jukka Sirviö <ju...@mipro.fi> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm using eip_update branch,
> the plc does provide ethernet/ip, but I'm not able to set up the
> connection correctly.
>
> plc indicates that it does have support for ConnectionManager, but when
> sending Open Connection Manager EIP Package, the tcpdump indicates that
> large forward open is not supported. Any ideas what are my alternatives
> here? Some of the supported attributes (cip object model) for the plc are 1
> (Identity), 2 (MessageRouter), 4 (Assembly), 6 (Connection manager), 244
> (Port), 245 (TCP/IP), 246 (Eth Link).. total of 21 attributes.
>
> 145 46.246813 originator → target CIP CM 146 Connection Manager - Large
> Forward Open (Message Router)
> 146 46.249130 target → originator CIP CM 98 Service not supported:
> Connection Manager - Large Forward Open
>
>
> thanks for help:
> -Jukka
>
> ________________________________
>
> Tämä sähköpostiviesti (liitteineen) saattaa sisältää luottamuksellista
> tietoa, joka on tarkoitettu
> vain vastaanottajalleen. Jos et ole oikea vastaanottaja, ilmoita viestin
> lähettäjälle tapahtuneesta
> virheestä ja tuhoa viesti välittömästi. Viestin luvaton julkaiseminen,
> kopioiminen, jakelu tai muu
> käyttö tai toimenpiteisiin ryhtyminen sen perusteella on ehdottomasti
> kielletty.
>
> This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential
> information intended for
> the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended
> recipient, notify the
> sender and delete this message immediately. Notice that disclosing,
> copying, distributing or any
> other use of the message and its information, or taking any action based
> on it, is strictly prohibited.
>
> ________________________________
>
Re: schneider plc & eip
Posted by Ben Hutcheson <be...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jukka,
Your best bet is probably to take a look at adding support for smaller
message sizes. The ‘large’ part of the large forward open refers to the
message size (I think for large connections it is around 1500?) a normal
forward open is around 500? Bytes or so.
Ben
On Thu, 5 Jan 2023 at 5:42 pm, Jukka Sirviö <ju...@mipro.fi> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm using eip_update branch,
> the plc does provide ethernet/ip, but I'm not able to set up the
> connection correctly.
>
> plc indicates that it does have support for ConnectionManager, but when
> sending Open Connection Manager EIP Package, the tcpdump indicates that
> large forward open is not supported. Any ideas what are my alternatives
> here? Some of the supported attributes (cip object model) for the plc are 1
> (Identity), 2 (MessageRouter), 4 (Assembly), 6 (Connection manager), 244
> (Port), 245 (TCP/IP), 246 (Eth Link).. total of 21 attributes.
>
> 145 46.246813 originator → target CIP CM 146 Connection Manager - Large
> Forward Open (Message Router)
> 146 46.249130 target → originator CIP CM 98 Service not supported:
> Connection Manager - Large Forward Open
>
>
> thanks for help:
> -Jukka
>
> ________________________________
>
> Tämä sähköpostiviesti (liitteineen) saattaa sisältää luottamuksellista
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> virheestä ja tuhoa viesti välittömästi. Viestin luvaton julkaiseminen,
> kopioiminen, jakelu tai muu
> käyttö tai toimenpiteisiin ryhtyminen sen perusteella on ehdottomasti
> kielletty.
>
> This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential
> information intended for
> the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended
> recipient, notify the
> sender and delete this message immediately. Notice that disclosing,
> copying, distributing or any
> other use of the message and its information, or taking any action based
> on it, is strictly prohibited.
>
> ________________________________
>