Re: Crazy idea? Remote SVN client for the Subversion-impaired

[Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com>]

--On Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:51 AM -0500 Jing Xue 
<jx...@digizenstudio.com> wrote:

> But "I don't care and I just want to do my work", while being right in
> principle, cannot be used to excuse the _necessary_ learning effort.
>
> Why do people - including grandma - need to remember to shutdown
> Windows[1] before turning off the computer? Why can't they just turn it
> off when they are done just like they would a TV?

Think oil changes on a car. How many know *why* they're supposed to change 
oil? It's just a mantra that dealers and their driving teachers tell them 
to do, or the car stops running. Computers are not TV's, just like cars are 
not TV's. They all operate with different maintenance regimes.

Version control is a kind of backup, and backup is a kind of insurance. 
Most people understand insurance. They just are willing to accept different 
amounts of risk versus cost. Insurance/backup/Subversion is a cost.

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Re: Crazy idea? Remote SVN client for the Subversion-impaired

[Russell E Glaue <rg...@cait.org>]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Russell E Glaue wrote:
> 
>>>
>>
>>  >> > ... Why can't they just turn it
>>  >> > off when they are done just like they would a TV?
>>
>> Well, they can. Using FC6.
>>
>> I have fedora core 6 install on my DELL laptop.
>> When I press the power button (to turn off the computer) the screen 
>> turns black and eventually turns off.
>> What is happening in the background (which you can see if you press a 
>> key like [control]) is that the fc6 linux OS is shutting itself down 
>> gracefully.
>>
>> So yes, you can just press the power button on the computer to turn if 
>> off just like you would a TV.
>> Just make sure you use Linux.
> 
> But people who do that will then be surprised that things break when 
> they pull the power plug instead of pressing the button.
> 

No, because the computer runs on a battery.
And the computer always reserves enough battery power to execute a clean shutdown.
I believe they should make desktop computers with a 3 minute rechargeable 
battery for this same reason.

If a power outage happens, everything is lost. So the UPS people get rich 
selling $200 UPSes. Which no regular user thinks they need to buy, until a power 
outage occurs and their data gets lost as a result.

The home computer should be seen as an appliance.
All home-user computers should come with the option of putting in a rechargeable 
battery with just enough power to shutdown the computer should the power go out 
-- or the power cord be pulled out as you said.

-RG

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Re: Crazy idea? Remote SVN client for the Subversion-impaired

[Les Mikesell <le...@gmail.com>]

Russell E Glaue wrote:

>>
> 
>  >> > ... Why can't they just turn it
>  >> > off when they are done just like they would a TV?
> 
> Well, they can. Using FC6.
> 
> I have fedora core 6 install on my DELL laptop.
> When I press the power button (to turn off the computer) the screen 
> turns black and eventually turns off.
> What is happening in the background (which you can see if you press a 
> key like [control]) is that the fc6 linux OS is shutting itself down 
> gracefully.
> 
> So yes, you can just press the power button on the computer to turn if 
> off just like you would a TV.
> Just make sure you use Linux.

But people who do that will then be surprised that things break when 
they pull the power plug instead of pressing the button.

-- 
   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell@gmail.com

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Re: Crazy idea? Remote SVN client for the Subversion-impaired

[Russell E Glaue <rg...@cait.org>]

jarrod roberson wrote:
> On 3/4/07, Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
>> --On Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:51 AM -0500 Jing Xue
>> <jx...@digizenstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>> > But "I don't care and I just want to do my work", while being right in
>> > principle, cannot be used to excuse the _necessary_ learning effort.
>> >
>> > Why do people - including grandma - need to remember to shutdown
>> > Windows[1] before turning off the computer? Why can't they just turn it
>> > off when they are done just like they would a TV?
>>
>> Think oil changes on a car. How many know *why* they're supposed to 
>> change
>> oil? It's just a mantra that dealers and their driving teachers tell them
>> to do, or the car stops running. Computers are not TV's, just like 
>> cars are
>> not TV's. They all operate with different maintenance regimes.
>>
> 
> not all computers need to be "shutdown"
> the rusty old Amiga was just happy as pie to be turned off with a
> power switch with no ill effects to anything. :-) If I recall BeOS was
> just a happy being turned off when you were done. Then again my Macs
> run for MONTHS without needing to be turned completely off or
> rebooted. My Windows machine is pretty much just for games and it
> stays turned off most of the time anyway. :-)
> 
> just because Windows has stupid dogma requirements doesn't mean ALL
> computers need the same.
> 

 >> > ... Why can't they just turn it
 >> > off when they are done just like they would a TV?

Well, they can. Using FC6.

I have fedora core 6 install on my DELL laptop.
When I press the power button (to turn off the computer) the screen turns black 
and eventually turns off.
What is happening in the background (which you can see if you press a key like 
[control]) is that the fc6 linux OS is shutting itself down gracefully.

So yes, you can just press the power button on the computer to turn if off just 
like you would a TV.
Just make sure you use Linux.

-RG

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Re: Crazy idea? Remote SVN client for the Subversion-impaired

[jarrod roberson <ja...@vertigrated.com>]

On 3/4/07, Kenneth Porter <sh...@sewingwitch.com> wrote:
> --On Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:51 AM -0500 Jing Xue
> <jx...@digizenstudio.com> wrote:
>
> > But "I don't care and I just want to do my work", while being right in
> > principle, cannot be used to excuse the _necessary_ learning effort.
> >
> > Why do people - including grandma - need to remember to shutdown
> > Windows[1] before turning off the computer? Why can't they just turn it
> > off when they are done just like they would a TV?
>
> Think oil changes on a car. How many know *why* they're supposed to change
> oil? It's just a mantra that dealers and their driving teachers tell them
> to do, or the car stops running. Computers are not TV's, just like cars are
> not TV's. They all operate with different maintenance regimes.
>

not all computers need to be "shutdown"
the rusty old Amiga was just happy as pie to be turned off with a
power switch with no ill effects to anything. :-) If I recall BeOS was
just a happy being turned off when you were done. Then again my Macs
run for MONTHS without needing to be turned completely off or
rebooted. My Windows machine is pretty much just for games and it
stays turned off most of the time anyway. :-)

just because Windows has stupid dogma requirements doesn't mean ALL
computers need the same.



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