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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Phillip Zadro <ri...@hotmail.com.au> on 2012/11/14 06:24:06 UTC
desktop publishing
hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. Thanks Phil
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Fernand,
On 23.11.2012 16:23, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
> Hallo Armin ,
>> Hi Fernand,
>>
>> On 22.11.2012 18:38, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>>> Armin ,
>>>> Hi Fernand,
>>>>
>>>> On 15.11.2012 09:34, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>>>>> Alexandro ,
>>>>>
>>>> ---snip---
>>>>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible
>>>>>> with other
>>>>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over
>>>>> 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2
>>>>> languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour)
>>>>> transparancies etc...)
>>>>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a
>>>>> final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres
>>>>> with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>>>>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our
>>>>> PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO-
>>>>> PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>>>>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to
>>>>> CMYK
>>>>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000
>>>>> exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our
>>>>> printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our
>>>>> Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications
>>>>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap
>>>>
>>>> Which export are you talking about? To ODF (save) or PDF (or
>>>> something else)...?
>>>> This would be very interesting to me :-)
>>> when making a PDF, save as or something else there is no
>>> difference... sinds 3.3 SVG are plased in the PDF as bitmaps there
>>> is a well documented LO issue
>>> <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42092> 42092.
>>
>> I do not know for LO, but for AOO since 3.4 we have that new SVG
>> import I wrote which luckily will be in LO soon (see
>> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/good_news_libreoffice_is_integrating).
>> It's a high-quality SVG import and the original SVGs are saved in
>> ODF. I just tried with Tux.svg and AOO3.4 (and 3.4.1) export as
>> vector data to PDF. It also gets printed that way. One caveat here:
>> Currently the SVGs are converted to SVM (StarViewMetafile), same as
>> when using 'convert to metafile' in the context menu on the SVG
>> graphic object in edit view. This may loose some quality in some
>> cases, I'm working on changing this to real B2DPrinitives usages in
>> the PDF exporter.
>> I'm also working on things like having any graphic (including SVG) as
>> fill style for graphic objects, also with full export quality. I'll
>> be on Fosdem, I can show you this things in the current AOO version
>> if you like...
> Maybe you can also implement PDF as a graphic format , like we can
> place jpg, ..... in the OO docs ?
Not sure what you mean here... jpg could always be added to ODF.
> As many users, we are switching forward an backwards from OO to LO ,
> for the moment we uses LO because off better PDF-export (Lanczos filter).
Good news: I have added Lanzcos (in an extended version) to AOO some
weeks ago. The original author sent me the code which he used for LO,
and I extended and integrated it. See task #121233#
(https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121233) for details.
Thanks to Tomaž for the original code. That's what all developers truly
interested in all OOO derivates should do - contribute to both projects.
See my blog post (link already in one of the last eMails) to more about
this and in which direction the code flows.
> Surly we hopes that in de near future we can find al the best off both
> in one :-)
Yes, again, read the blog. We are already working together (seen from
AOO side at least).
> I comes to Fosdem and will be more than happy to discover all the new
> goodies,
Okay, looking forward to see You :-)
>
> greetz
>
> Fernand
>>
>>> there is also work around
>>> - open the SVG in Draw and then copy to Writer (gives a internall LO
>>> graphic)
>>> - When xeporting to a specific PDF format (Tagged or PDF A/1a then
>>> we have a high resolution bitmap who can replace the vector data
>>>
>>> greetz
>>>
>>> Fernand
>>>>> (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a
>>>>> graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetz
>>>>>
>>>>> Fernand
>>>> ---snip---
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Armin
>>>> --
>>>> ALG
>>>
>>>
>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Fernand Vanrie <so...@pmgroup.be>.
Hallo Armin ,
> Hi Fernand,
>
> On 22.11.2012 18:38, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>> Armin ,
>>> Hi Fernand,
>>>
>>> On 15.11.2012 09:34, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>>>> Alexandro ,
>>>>
>>> ---snip---
>>>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible
>>>>> with other
>>>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over
>>>> 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2
>>>> languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour)
>>>> transparancies etc...)
>>>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a
>>>> final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres
>>>> with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>>>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our
>>>> PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO-
>>>> PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>>>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>>>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000
>>>> exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our
>>>> printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our
>>>> Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications
>>>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap
>>>
>>> Which export are you talking about? To ODF (save) or PDF (or
>>> something else)...?
>>> This would be very interesting to me :-)
>> when making a PDF, save as or something else there is no
>> difference... sinds 3.3 SVG are plased in the PDF as bitmaps there is
>> a well documented LO issue
>> <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42092> 42092.
>
> I do not know for LO, but for AOO since 3.4 we have that new SVG
> import I wrote which luckily will be in LO soon (see
> https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/good_news_libreoffice_is_integrating).
> It's a high-quality SVG import and the original SVGs are saved in ODF.
> I just tried with Tux.svg and AOO3.4 (and 3.4.1) export as vector data
> to PDF. It also gets printed that way. One caveat here: Currently the
> SVGs are converted to SVM (StarViewMetafile), same as when using
> 'convert to metafile' in the context menu on the SVG graphic object in
> edit view. This may loose some quality in some cases, I'm working on
> changing this to real B2DPrinitives usages in the PDF exporter.
> I'm also working on things like having any graphic (including SVG) as
> fill style for graphic objects, also with full export quality. I'll be
> on Fosdem, I can show you this things in the current AOO version if
> you like...
Maybe you can also implement PDF as a graphic format , like we can place
jpg, ..... in the OO docs ?
As many users, we are switching forward an backwards from OO to LO , for
the moment we uses LO because off better PDF-export (Lanczos filter).
Surly we hopes that in de near future we can find al the best off both
in one :-)
I comes to Fosdem and will be more than happy to discover all the new
goodies,
greetz
Fernand
>
>> there is also work around
>> - open the SVG in Draw and then copy to Writer (gives a internall LO
>> graphic)
>> - When xeporting to a specific PDF format (Tagged or PDF A/1a then we
>> have a high resolution bitmap who can replace the vector data
>>
>> greetz
>>
>> Fernand
>>>> (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a
>>>> graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>>>
>>>> Greetz
>>>>
>>>> Fernand
>>> ---snip---
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Armin
>>> --
>>> ALG
>>
>>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Fernand,
On 22.11.2012 18:38, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
> Armin ,
>> Hi Fernand,
>>
>> On 15.11.2012 09:34, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>>> Alexandro ,
>>>
>> ---snip---
>>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible
>>>> with other
>>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over
>>> 8.000 full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2
>>> languages versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour)
>>> transparancies etc...)
>>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a
>>> final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres
>>> with the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our
>>> PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO-
>>> PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000
>>> exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our
>>> printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our
>>> Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications
>>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap
>>
>> Which export are you talking about? To ODF (save) or PDF (or
>> something else)...?
>> This would be very interesting to me :-)
> when making a PDF, save as or something else there is no difference...
> sinds 3.3 SVG are plased in the PDF as bitmaps there is a well
> documented LO issue
> <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42092> 42092.
I do not know for LO, but for AOO since 3.4 we have that new SVG import
I wrote which luckily will be in LO soon (see
https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/good_news_libreoffice_is_integrating).
It's a high-quality SVG import and the original SVGs are saved in ODF. I
just tried with Tux.svg and AOO3.4 (and 3.4.1) export as vector data to
PDF. It also gets printed that way. One caveat here: Currently the SVGs
are converted to SVM (StarViewMetafile), same as when using 'convert to
metafile' in the context menu on the SVG graphic object in edit view.
This may loose some quality in some cases, I'm working on changing this
to real B2DPrinitives usages in the PDF exporter.
I'm also working on things like having any graphic (including SVG) as
fill style for graphic objects, also with full export quality. I'll be
on Fosdem, I can show you this things in the current AOO version if you
like...
> there is also work around
> - open the SVG in Draw and then copy to Writer (gives a internall LO
> graphic)
> - When xeporting to a specific PDF format (Tagged or PDF A/1a then we
> have a high resolution bitmap who can replace the vector data
>
> greetz
>
> Fernand
>>> (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a
>>> graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>>
>>> Greetz
>>>
>>> Fernand
>> ---snip---
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Armin
>> --
>> ALG
>
>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Fernand Vanrie <so...@pmgroup.be>.
Armin ,
> Hi Fernand,
>
> On 15.11.2012 09:34, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>> Alexandro ,
>>
> ---snip---
>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible
>>> with other
>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
>> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
>> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a
>> final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with
>> the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our
>> PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO-
>> PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000
>> exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our
>> printers and the readers can not sea the difference between our
>> Magazines an thus maded by payed DTP applications
>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap
>
> Which export are you talking about? To ODF (save) or PDF (or something
> else)...?
> This would be very interesting to me :-)
when making a PDF, save as or something else there is no difference...
sinds 3.3 SVG are plased in the PDF as bitmaps there is a well
documented LO issue <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=42092>
42092.
there is also work around
- open the SVG in Draw and then copy to Writer (gives a internall LO
graphic)
- When xeporting to a specific PDF format (Tagged or PDF A/1a then we
have a high resolution bitmap who can replace the vector data
greetz
Fernand
>> (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a
>> graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>
>> Greetz
>>
>> Fernand
> ---snip---
>
> Sincerely,
> Armin
> --
> ALG
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Fernand,
On 15.11.2012 09:34, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
> Alexandro ,
>
---snip---
>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with
>> other
> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a
> final macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with
> the highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our
> PDF's. PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO-
> PDF export is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000
> exp.) on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers
> and the readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an
> thus maded by payed DTP applications
> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap
Which export are you talking about? To ODF (save) or PDF (or something
else)...?
This would be very interesting to me :-)
> (sould been repaired in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a
> graphic format like we can use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>
> Greetz
>
> Fernand
---snip---
Sincerely,
Armin
--
ALG
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Nov 22, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> @Dave,
>
> If POI has support for Publisher format, where is the specification for that format to be found? I nosed around the Microsoft Open Specification collection and must have missed it. (RTF is also not there, but available in a different location).
Support in POI is oldstyle reverse engineering and has only been developed by CMS types who want to index the text. It is mostly driven from the Apache Tika project which is consumed by both Apache Jackrabbit a JCR reference implementation used by Adobe product and Apache Solr.
>
> - Dennis
>
> For the record, I don't think that Postscript is a descendant of Xerox Interpress. Although Adobe (founded in December 1982) was a spin-out of Xerox PARC, some of it may well have been over disagreements on ways to handle final-form (printing) data streams. It is probably better to think of them as peers, forked from parallel, now vanished, interbred ancestries. This may be fairly accurate: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postscript_programming_language#History>.
True. The key is the engineer - John Warnock.
>
> I didn't realize that the first Postscript license was with Apple until I reviewed the Adobe 25th anniversary timeline.
Adobe built itself a $1000 Postscript licenses on the $3500 Apple Laserwriters and DTP explosion.
>
> I do know that the rivalry between Xerox and Adobe was pretty intense on the Xerox product engineering side at the end of the 80s. (They had fumbled this, the low-end laser printer, and commodity personal computing as well.)
We evaluated XPS - the big problem was that even though Xerox invented Ethernet with external systems was via a serial port.
>
>
> I was on a project where Adobe was contracted to make a Postscript engine that emitted Interpress. This was all on an EISA board added to a Novell Netware server running as a front-end to Docutech. Docutech was an XNS and Interpress consumer built on a custom ("Mesa") processor chips. In retrospect, it is amazing how many bad bets and tea-leave readings occurred. Part of it had to do with extremely long product development cycles and an inability to respond to agile newcomers riding commodity cost curves to glory.
Totally familiar with Metacode in the earlier 9700 series printers.
>
> PS: Interpress was always page oriented and that was important for high-performance printing where multiple pages were in different stages of being imaged in order to keep the paper-path running at volume, deal with high-volume color, etc. So there needed to be ordering constraints so that everything necessary to image each successive page was available as early in the stream as possible. At an architectural level, PDF is closer to that, in contrast with the greater arbitrariness of Postscript. I've not checked to see which Microsoft XPS (another attempt to use the "Metro" term) is closest to for final-form printing.
For metacode, our driver was optimized for byte count and sorted by scanline. Lines were drawn with tiled line segment font characters. Did you ever encounter PLOT97 and Henry Kramer? We had a full source code license and made significant modifications. I happened to see some Engineering notes for Metacode and John Warnock's name was on some. He is all over this area.
We are talking work from 33 years ago. This worked very well and the output drivers were rewritten and converted to Postscript in the early 90s and are in use today. They are due for another re-work as Fortran skill is hard to find.
But back to the point you are correct PDF is more page oriented and removes many of the general programming aspects in Postscript. It is still a great dynamic language that happens to control output and print. But I've I always used the most primitive forms possible for the main content as that always maximizes engine speed.
The trick is in the re-layout of the decomposed printing elements which are organized for display convenience and not editing.
Regards,
Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 09:09
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Cc: Phillip Zadro
> Subject: Re: desktop publishing
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> It is not completely impossible that an extension could be added to AOO to read and write Publisher files. It just takes one or two Java programmers with the time and interest. See [1] for where the effort could start.
>
> [ ... ]
>
> SVG is also a descendent of Postscript. (as Postscript is a descendent of Xerox Interpress plus III)
>
> [ ... ]
>
> To close the loop if you want to process Publisher files and help with understanding the files format Apache POI is a good place. [1]
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> [1] http://poi.apache.org/hpbf/index.html
>
>>
>> Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here
>>
>> Greetz
>>
>> Fernand
>>> Hi Fernand,
>>>
>>> I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>> Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie:
>>>> Alexandro ,
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
>>>>> <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
>>>>>> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
>>>>>> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
>>>>>> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
>>>>>> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
>>>>>> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
>>>>>> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
>>>>>> Pity.. Thanks Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
>>>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
>>>> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
>>>> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
>>>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
>>>> macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
>>>> highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>>>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
>>>> PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
>>>> is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>>>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>>>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
>>>> on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
>>>> readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
>>>> by payed DTP applications
>>>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
>>>> in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
>>>> use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>>>
>>>> Greetz
>>>>
>>>> Fernand
>>>>> desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
>>>>> There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
>>>>> complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
>>>>> which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
>>>>> use of vectorial forms.
>>>>>
>>>>> With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
>>>>> design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
RE: desktop publishing
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
@Dave,
If POI has support for Publisher format, where is the specification for that format to be found? I nosed around the Microsoft Open Specification collection and must have missed it. (RTF is also not there, but available in a different location).
- Dennis
For the record, I don't think that Postscript is a descendant of Xerox Interpress. Although Adobe (founded in December 1982) was a spin-out of Xerox PARC, some of it may well have been over disagreements on ways to handle final-form (printing) data streams. It is probably better to think of them as peers, forked from parallel, now vanished, interbred ancestries. This may be fairly accurate: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postscript_programming_language#History>.
I didn't realize that the first Postscript license was with Apple until I reviewed the Adobe 25th anniversary timeline.
I do know that the rivalry between Xerox and Adobe was pretty intense on the Xerox product engineering side at the end of the 80s. (They had fumbled this, the low-end laser printer, and commodity personal computing as well.)
I was on a project where Adobe was contracted to make a Postscript engine that emitted Interpress. This was all on an EISA board added to a Novell Netware server running as a front-end to Docutech. Docutech was an XNS and Interpress consumer built on a custom ("Mesa") processor chips. In retrospect, it is amazing how many bad bets and tea-leave readings occurred. Part of it had to do with extremely long product development cycles and an inability to respond to agile newcomers riding commodity cost curves to glory.
PS: Interpress was always page oriented and that was important for high-performance printing where multiple pages were in different stages of being imaged in order to keep the paper-path running at volume, deal with high-volume color, etc. So there needed to be ordering constraints so that everything necessary to image each successive page was available as early in the stream as possible. At an architectural level, PDF is closer to that, in contrast with the greater arbitrariness of Postscript. I've not checked to see which Microsoft XPS (another attempt to use the "Metro" term) is closest to for final-form printing.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2wave@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 09:09
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Phillip Zadro
Subject: Re: desktop publishing
Hi Phil,
It is not completely impossible that an extension could be added to AOO to read and write Publisher files. It just takes one or two Java programmers with the time and interest. See [1] for where the effort could start.
[ ... ]
SVG is also a descendent of Postscript. (as Postscript is a descendent of Xerox Interpress plus III)
[ ... ]
To close the loop if you want to process Publisher files and help with understanding the files format Apache POI is a good place. [1]
Regards,
Dave
[1] http://poi.apache.org/hpbf/index.html
>
> Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here
>
> Greetz
>
> Fernand
>> Hi Fernand,
>>
>> I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie:
>>> Alexandro ,
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
>>>> <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
>>>>> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
>>>>> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
>>>>> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
>>>>> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
>>>>> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
>>>>> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
>>>>> Pity.. Thanks Phil
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
>>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
>>> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
>>> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
>>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
>>> macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
>>> highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
>>> PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
>>> is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
>>> on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
>>> readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
>>> by payed DTP applications
>>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
>>> in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
>>> use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>>
>>> Greetz
>>>
>>> Fernand
>>>> desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
>>>> There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
>>>> complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
>>>> which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
>>>> use of vectorial forms.
>>>>
>>>> With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
>>>> design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Fernand Vanrie <so...@pmgroup.be>.
Dave ,
> Hi Phil,
>
> It is not completely impossible that an extension could be added to AOO to read and write Publisher files. It just takes one or two Java programmers with the time and interest. See [1] for where the effort could start.
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>
>> Juergen,
>>
>> Maybe 1 machine has a MS office package for the "unsalvable problems" the 99 others have Windows with LO ,OO, Thunderbird, Inkscape, Gimp, Image Magick and a free Adobe PDF reader
>>
>> We can read and write MS text and spreadsheets, in the "editing world" PDF is the exchange format by exelence. (For that reason PDF must been a graphic format in LO and LO :-)
> It would great if PDF could be imported into any of Presenter, Writer and Draw. Perhaps this can be a goal of the new Drawing work.
>
> BTW - Postscript lives inside the PDF file format all of the drawing primitives are very close to postscript and operate the same way
>
> SVG is also a descendent of Postscript. (as Postscript is a descendent of Xerox Interpress plus III)
in the long terme SVG can/sould be a full alternative for PDF ? now we
open PDF files in Inkscape and save them as SVG, simpel PDF's survive
this action and can been placed as SVG in all OO docs
>
> But I'm biased and have built a publishing chain based on applications producing postscript pages with special comments, shell scripts to collate into postscript documents, conversion to PDF w/ghostscript or editable PPTX using Java and Apache POI.
>
> We've also done PDF into editable shapes and text in PPTX using Apache PDFBox and Apache POI. Should we make the effort to go to ODF we will likely be using ODFToolkit.
>
> To close the loop if you want to process Publisher files and help with understanding the files format Apache POI is a good place. [1]
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> [1] http://poi.apache.org/hpbf/index.html
>
>> Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here
>>
>> Greetz
>>
>> Fernand
>>> Hi Fernand,
>>>
>>> I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats.
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>>
>>> Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie:
>>>> Alexandro ,
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
>>>>> <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
>>>>>> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
>>>>>> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
>>>>>> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
>>>>>> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
>>>>>> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
>>>>>> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
>>>>>> Pity.. Thanks Phil
>>>>>>
>>>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
>>>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
>>>> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
>>>> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
>>>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
>>>> macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
>>>> highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>>>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
>>>> PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
>>>> is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>>>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>>>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
>>>> on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
>>>> readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
>>>> by payed DTP applications
>>>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
>>>> in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
>>>> use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>>>
>>>> Greetz
>>>>
>>>> Fernand
>>>>> desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
>>>>> There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
>>>>> complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
>>>>> which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
>>>>> use of vectorial forms.
>>>>>
>>>>> With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
>>>>> design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:08:43 -0800
Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> It is not completely impossible that an extension could be added to AOO to read and write Publisher files. It just takes one or two Java programmers with the time and interest. See [1] for where the effort could start.
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
>
> > Juergen,
> >
> > Maybe 1 machine has a MS office package for the "unsalvable problems" the 99 others have Windows with LO ,OO, Thunderbird, Inkscape, Gimp, Image Magick and a free Adobe PDF reader
> >
> > We can read and write MS text and spreadsheets, in the "editing world" PDF is the exchange format by exelence. (For that reason PDF must been a graphic format in LO and LO :-)
>
> It would great if PDF could be imported into any of Presenter, Writer and Draw. Perhaps this can be a goal of the new Drawing work.
>
> BTW - Postscript lives inside the PDF file format all of the drawing primitives are very close to postscript and operate the same way.
>
> SVG is also a descendent of Postscript. (as Postscript is a descendent of Xerox Interpress plus III)
>
> But I'm biased and have built a publishing chain based on applications producing postscript pages with special comments, shell scripts to collate into postscript documents, conversion to PDF w/ghostscript or editable PPTX using Java and Apache POI.
>
> We've also done PDF into editable shapes and text in PPTX using Apache PDFBox and Apache POI. Should we make the effort to go to ODF we will likely be using ODFToolkit.
>
> To close the loop if you want to process Publisher files and help with understanding the files format Apache POI is a good place. [1]
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> [1] http://poi.apache.org/hpbf/index.html
>
> >
> > Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here
> >
> > Greetz
> >
> > Fernand
> >> Hi Fernand,
> >>
> >> I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats.
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing
> >>
> >> Juergen
> >>
> >> Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie:
> >>> Alexandro ,
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
> >>>> <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
> >>>>> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
> >>>>> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
> >>>>> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
> >>>>> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
> >>>>> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
> >>>>> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
> >>>>> Pity.. Thanks Phil
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
> >>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
> >>> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
> >>> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
> >>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
> >>> macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
> >>> highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
> >>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
> >>> PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
> >>> is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
> >>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
> >>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
> >>> on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
> >>> readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
> >>> by payed DTP applications
> >>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
> >>> in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
> >>> use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
> >>>
> >>> Greetz
> >>>
> >>> Fernand
> >>>> desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
> >>>> There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
> >>>> complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
> >>>> which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
> >>>> use of vectorial forms.
> >>>>
> >>>> With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
> >>>> design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
One of my suggestions on the Google whatever it was called page was that Frame support should be improved so that DTP capabilities improved.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Phil,
It is not completely impossible that an extension could be added to AOO to read and write Publisher files. It just takes one or two Java programmers with the time and interest. See [1] for where the effort could start.
On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Fernand Vanrie wrote:
> Juergen,
>
> Maybe 1 machine has a MS office package for the "unsalvable problems" the 99 others have Windows with LO ,OO, Thunderbird, Inkscape, Gimp, Image Magick and a free Adobe PDF reader
>
> We can read and write MS text and spreadsheets, in the "editing world" PDF is the exchange format by exelence. (For that reason PDF must been a graphic format in LO and LO :-)
It would great if PDF could be imported into any of Presenter, Writer and Draw. Perhaps this can be a goal of the new Drawing work.
BTW - Postscript lives inside the PDF file format all of the drawing primitives are very close to postscript and operate the same way.
SVG is also a descendent of Postscript. (as Postscript is a descendent of Xerox Interpress plus III)
But I'm biased and have built a publishing chain based on applications producing postscript pages with special comments, shell scripts to collate into postscript documents, conversion to PDF w/ghostscript or editable PPTX using Java and Apache POI.
We've also done PDF into editable shapes and text in PPTX using Apache PDFBox and Apache POI. Should we make the effort to go to ODF we will likely be using ODFToolkit.
To close the loop if you want to process Publisher files and help with understanding the files format Apache POI is a good place. [1]
Regards,
Dave
[1] http://poi.apache.org/hpbf/index.html
>
> Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you to show on the work floor how is works here
>
> Greetz
>
> Fernand
>> Hi Fernand,
>>
>> I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie:
>>> Alexandro ,
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
>>>> <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
>>>>> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
>>>>> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
>>>>> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
>>>>> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
>>>>> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
>>>>> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
>>>>> Pity.. Thanks Phil
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
>>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
>>> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
>>> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
>>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
>>> macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
>>> highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
>>> PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
>>> is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
>>> on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
>>> readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
>>> by payed DTP applications
>>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
>>> in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
>>> use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>>
>>> Greetz
>>>
>>> Fernand
>>>> desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
>>>> There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
>>>> complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
>>>> which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
>>>> use of vectorial forms.
>>>>
>>>> With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
>>>> design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Fernand Vanrie <so...@pmgroup.be>.
Juergen,
Maybe 1 machine has a MS office package for the "unsalvable problems"
the 99 others have Windows with LO ,OO, Thunderbird, Inkscape, Gimp,
Image Magick and a free Adobe PDF reader
We can read and write MS text and spreadsheets, in the "editing world"
PDF is the exchange format by exelence. (For that reason PDF must been a
graphic format in LO and LO :-)
Maybe you comes to Fosdem in Brussels, we would be happy to invite you
to show on the work floor how is works here
Greetz
Fernand
> Hi Fernand,
>
> I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats.
>
> Thanks for sharing
>
> Juergen
>
> Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie:
>> Alexandro ,
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
>>> <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
>>>> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
>>>> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
>>>> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
>>>> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
>>>> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
>>>> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
>>>> Pity.. Thanks Phil
>>>>
>>>
>>> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
>> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
>> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
>> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
>> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
>> macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
>> highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
>> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
>> PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
>> is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
>> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
>> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
>> on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
>> readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
>> by payed DTP applications
>> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
>> in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
>> use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>>
>> Greetz
>>
>> Fernand
>>> desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
>>> There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
>>> complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
>>> which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
>>> use of vectorial forms.
>>>
>>> With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
>>> design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Juergen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
Hi Fernand,
I would love to read a more detailed public success story about your experience and work with writer. It sounds very interesting especially when you stay in one world, means no heavy exchange of MS formats.
Thanks for sharing
Juergen
Am Donnerstag, 15. November 2012 um 09:34 schrieb Fernand Vanrie:
> Alexandro ,
>
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
> > <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
> > > publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
> > > completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
> > > is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
> > > used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
> > > with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
> > > cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
> > > Pity.. Thanks Phil
> > >
> >
> >
> > Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
> We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
> full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
> versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
> Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
> macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
> highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
> Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
> PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
> is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
> We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
> Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
> on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
> readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
> by payed DTP applications
> Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
> in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
> use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
>
> Greetz
>
> Fernand
> > desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
> > There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
> > complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
> > which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
> > use of vectorial forms.
> >
> > With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
> > design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
> >
>
>
>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Fernand Vanrie <so...@pmgroup.be>.
Alexandro ,
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
> <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
>> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
>> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
>> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
>> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
>> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
>> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
>> Pity.. Thanks Phil
>
> Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
We uses exclusifly Writer (+ lot of basic macro's) to make over 8.000
full color magazine pages par year. This pages are all i2 languages
versions, with cutouts (we uses Edit Contour) transparancies etc...)
Our Editors places lowres images "embedded" in there documents, a final
macro checks the resolution quality and changes the lowres with the
highres (stored on a server) just before exporting to PDF
Sinds there is SVG, we no longer use EPS and "Adobe" to make our PDF's.
PostScript is dead anyhow (lack of transparency) the LO/OO- PDF export
is with use off a Lanczos filter nearly perfect.
We only needs a "payed" Color Server to transfer our RGB PDF's to CMYK
Our magazines are printed by different print houses (15.000-3.000 exp.)
on high quality paper, there are no complaints from our printers and the
readers can not sea the difference between our Magazines an thus maded
by payed DTP applications
Just a pitty thats SVG is still exported as bitmap (sould been repaired
in 3.7) and PDF is still not a accepted as a graphic format like we can
use (Tiff, jpg, etc...)
Greetz
Fernand
> desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
> There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
> complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
> which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
> use of vectorial forms.
>
> With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
> design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
>
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:24 PM, Phillip Zadro
<ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>
>
>
>
> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
> publisher? There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating
> completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it
> is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have
> used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly
> with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus
> cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office.
> Pity.. Thanks Phil
Draw is a perfect Desktop publisher, is so perfect is compatible with other
desktop publishers like Scribus and is based on a frame based paradigm.
There are some features that would be desirable but is pretty easy to
complete basic and medium tasks like Flyers, Booklets and all it has layers
which keeps design separated from content. And have multiple layouts and
use of vectorial forms.
With improved use of SVG Draw is also gaining strenght in the area of
design compatibility and would be improving as more features are considered.
--
Alexandro Colorado
Apache OpenOffice Contributor
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Phillip Zadro <ri...@hotmail.com.au>wrote:
>
>
>
>
> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop
> publisher?
You can use Draw as a DTP application without much problem, combined with
the OpenClipart extension it's quite useful, not at the level of Scribus
but useful nonetheless
> There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from
> Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack
> of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher
> for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating
> of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS
> format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity..
I'm afraid you'll have to blame Microsoft for that. No-one else uses or
exports or imports .pub files for a number of good reasons: First MS don't
tell anyone the specification of the file format so it would have to be
back engineered.
Secondly and more importantly nobody wants to use it. It's a rubbish file
format for a purpose that is covered by far better formats that have an
open specification. Publishers and printers use it under protest and some
(read most) refuse to accept anything in .pub format.
Think about it, a printer/publisher has to pay for an instance of MS
Publisher if they are going to work with MS Publisher files, because no
other progamme reads the format, whereas there a numerous programmes that
work with PDF and the reader is free to download and there are any number
of programmes that will do this. OpenOffice will edit them with the right
extension.
The likliehood is that the projects, both Libre and AOO will continue to
develop the PDF capabilities of OO to produce high quality publishable
documents, but I doubt that there is the necessity or in fact the will to
attempt to back engineer a deadend format.
If Publisher suits you then stick with it, but there's a reason the
professionals use anything but.
Cheers
GL
Thanks Phil
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Fernand Vanrie <so...@pmgroup.be>.
Phillip ,
>
>
>
> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a desktop publisher?
OO and LO are are already a Desktop application, included a very good
PDF exporter. Sure its not like you MS Publisher , here you don't pay
but need a bit more skills to make it work as a publisher
> There is only one thing that is stopping me from migrating completely from Microsoft Office to either OpenOffice or LibreOffice and it is their lack of a Desktop Publisher comparable with MS Publisher. I have used Publisher for over 15 years and love its practicality, particularly with paginating of booklets. Even a separate program like Serif PagePlus cannot save in MS format either, so I am obliged to stay with MS Office. Pity.. Thanks Phil
Re: desktop publishing
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 14/11/2012 Phillip Zadro wrote:
> hi Is there any likelihood that OpenOffice will one day include a
> desktop publisher?
Hi Phillip, since you are not subscribed you missed several answers.
Please find them at
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201211.mbox/browser
on page 3.
Regards,
Andrea.