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[VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material.
He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him
a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations,
mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers that
be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about
his generosity.
If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next
O'Reilly book on Struts.
Here is my +1
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Craig McClanahan <cr...@apache.org>.
James Mitchell wrote:
>I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material.
>He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him
>a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
>Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations,
>mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers that
>be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about
>his generosity.
>
>If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next
>O'Reilly book on Struts.
>
>Here is my +1
>
>
>
>
+1.
Craig
>--
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>EdgeTech, Inc.
>678.910.8017
>AIM: jmitchtx
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Robert Leland <rl...@apache.org>.
+0, As David said I don't know Bill, but look forward to changing that.
James Mitchell wrote:
>I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material.
>He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him
>a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
>Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations,
>mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers that
>be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about
>his generosity.
>
>If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next
>O'Reilly book on Struts.
>
>Here is my +1
>
>
>--
>James Mitchell
>Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
>EdgeTech, Inc.
>678.910.8017
>AIM: jmitchtx
>
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
-0.
I could almost quote verbatim the reasons I gave for the same vote on
another proposed committer about 2.5 years ago. In that particular case,
the committer came on board, helped out a bit for a short while, and then
disappeared into the woodwork.
I know Bill has been around for some time on the user list, and I don't
dispute that he's been helpful there. However, to almost quote from that
earlier vote, to reach the bar for committer, from my perspective, I would
want to see more in the way of contributions to the code base than I have
seen to date. (And yes, Ted, documentation is code in my book. ;)
As for Bill being a forthcoming Struts book author, well, don't tell me
you've never read a poor O'Reilly book or a poor Struts book, James! ;-)
(No, I'm not suggesting Bill doesn't know his stuff, or that he can't
write - I'm just pointing out that being an author, by itself, does not
connote quality. ;)
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Martin Cooper
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, James Mitchell wrote:
> I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material.
> He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him
> a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
> Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations,
> mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers that
> be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about
> his generosity.
>
> If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next
> O'Reilly book on Struts.
>
> Here is my +1
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
> EdgeTech, Inc.
> 678.910.8017
> AIM: jmitchtx
>
>
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RE: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Martin Cooper <ma...@apache.org>.
Niall, you express my sentiments much more eloquently than I do. :-)
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Martin Cooper
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:niall.pemberton@blueyonder.co.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:51 AM
> To: Struts Developers List
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
>
>
> I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on the dev
> list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents.
>
> Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions -
> thats a big
> plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking about. Like Rob and
> David though, I haven't seen any patches from Bill and it seems strange to
> give someone "committ" privledge that has never made a
> submission. I have no
> personal objection to Bill, but if anyone is keen to become a
> committer and
> work on Struts then in my thinking a minimum requirement would be
> that they
> had submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their
> work.
>
> Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and
> then if he
> does that bring him in as a committer?
>
> Niall
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Mitchell" <jm...@apache.org>
> To: "Struts Developers List" <de...@struts.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:03 AM
> Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
>
>
> > I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely
> committer material.
> > He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe
> him
> > a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
> > Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given
> presentations,
> > mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers
> that
> > be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough
> about
> > his generosity.
> >
> > If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is
> writing the next
> > O'Reilly book on Struts.
> >
> > Here is my +1
> >
> >
> > --
> > James Mitchell
> > Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
> > EdgeTech, Inc.
> > 678.910.8017
> > AIM: jmitchtx
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
I don't doubt that if he wasn't a great guy and didn't have the ability then
you and others wouldn't have nominated/voted for him - he's probably far
better qualified/experienced to be a committer than myself. Unfortunately I
don't know him persoanlly and nothing I said was against Bill, but it still
seems strange to me to give someone "committ" privledge that isn't currently
contributing to the Struts source - whether code or documentation. Thats
also what you seemed to be saying in this recent post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@struts.apache.org/msg01749.html
I remember when you were voted in as a committer and at the time you had put
loads of Struts stuff up on http://www.husted.com/struts/ and it was the
main resource link on the Struts site. IMO (and obviously the committers at
the time) you were contributing alot.
Anyway as you said, "...why not cut to chase? As you observed, it's the PMC
votes that are binding" so what I think doesn't matter.
Niall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Husted" <hu...@apache.org>
To: "Struts Developers List" <de...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:50:57 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on
> the dev list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents.
It's true that only the PMC votes are binding, but votes and input from
everyone is always encouraged.
> Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions -
> thats a big plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking
> about. Like Rob and David though, I haven't seen any patches from
> Bill and it seems strange to give someone "committ" privledge that
> has never made a submission. I have no personal objection to Bill,
> but if anyone is keen to become a committer and work on Struts then
> in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they had
> submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their
> work
Like me, Bill seems to be more of a documentator than a coder. He submitted
a number of excruciatingly helpful "patches" to the Struts in Action book.
He's also posted presentations to the Struts SouceForge site, which I've
used in my work.
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/struts
* jstl-and-struts.pdf
* testing.zip
There was also a wonderful JSTL cheatsheet of his that I've used, but I
can't lay my fingertips on the links right now. Here's some other Siggelkow
links
* http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1895
> Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and
> then if he does that bring him in as a committer?
Sure, but, then I'd have to commit all those patches myself, and I honestly
don't have that kind of time anymore. :) Some of us know Bill personally and
can vouch that he's is a righteous dude, so why not cut to chase? As you
observed, it's the PMC votes that are binding.
You know, once upon a time, Craig asked if anyone wanted to help with the
documentation, I raised my hand, and, pop, I was a Committer. At the time, I
think I was asking more questions than I was answering. I had never
submitted a patch or even filed a Bugzilla report.
It's true that one very good reason for nominating someone is because they
are contributing so much, it would be easier to let them commit it
themselves :) Another reason is because a nomination may encourage someone
with a good heart to do more.
-Ted.
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:09:24 -0400, Ted Husted wrote:
> then I'd have to commit all those patches myself, and I honestly
> don't have that kind of time anymore.
Oops, poor choice of words. Should have been "then we'd have to commit all those patches, and which of us has that kind of time right now."
-T.
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:50:57 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on
> the dev list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents.
It's true that only the PMC votes are binding, but votes and input from everyone is always encouraged.
> Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions -
> thats a big plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking
> about. Like Rob and David though, I haven't seen any patches from
> Bill and it seems strange to give someone "committ" privledge that
> has never made a submission. I have no personal objection to Bill,
> but if anyone is keen to become a committer and work on Struts then
> in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they had
> submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their
> work
Like me, Bill seems to be more of a documentator than a coder. He submitted a number of excruciatingly helpful "patches" to the Struts in Action book. He's also posted presentations to the Struts SouceForge site, which I've used in my work.
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/struts
* jstl-and-struts.pdf
* testing.zip
There was also a wonderful JSTL cheatsheet of his that I've used, but I can't lay my fingertips on the links right now. Here's some other Siggelkow links
* http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1895
> Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and
> then if he does that bring him in as a committer?
Sure, but, then I'd have to commit all those patches myself, and I honestly don't have that kind of time anymore. :) Some of us know Bill personally and can vouch that he's is a righteous dude, so why not cut to chase? As you observed, it's the PMC votes that are binding.
You know, once upon a time, Craig asked if anyone wanted to help with the documentation, I raised my hand, and, pop, I was a Committer. At the time, I think I was asking more questions than I was answering. I had never submitted a patch or even filed a Bugzilla report.
It's true that one very good reason for nominating someone is because they are contributing so much, it would be easier to let them commit it themselves :) Another reason is because a nomination may encourage someone with a good heart to do more.
-Ted.
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on the dev
list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents.
Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions - thats a big
plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking about. Like Rob and
David though, I haven't seen any patches from Bill and it seems strange to
give someone "committ" privledge that has never made a submission. I have no
personal objection to Bill, but if anyone is keen to become a committer and
work on Struts then in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they
had submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their
work.
Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and then if he
does that bring him in as a committer?
Niall
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From: "James Mitchell" <jm...@apache.org>
To: "Struts Developers List" <de...@struts.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:03 AM
Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
> I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material.
> He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe
him
> a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
> Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations,
> mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers
that
> be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough
about
> his generosity.
>
> If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next
> O'Reilly book on Struts.
>
> Here is my +1
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
> EdgeTech, Inc.
> 678.910.8017
> AIM: jmitchtx
>
>
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RE: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Steve Raeburn <sr...@apache.org>.
+0
Steve
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Mitchell [mailto:jmitchell@apache.org]
> Sent: July 10, 2004 8:03 PM
> To: Struts Developers List
> Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
>
>
> I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely
> committer material.
> He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and
> others. I owe him
> a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group,
> founded in
> Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given
> presentations,
> mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading
> the "powers that
> be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't
> say enough about
> his generosity.
>
> If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is
> writing the next
> O'Reilly book on Struts.
>
> Here is my +1
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
> EdgeTech, Inc.
> 678.910.8017
> AIM: jmitchtx
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by David Graham <gr...@yahoo.com>.
Unfortunately, I don't have the benefit of personally knowing Bill. I
haven't seen any patches or emails on the dev list to know anything about
the quality of his work. For those reasons I can't give a +1 but I do
respect James' opinion so I won't stand in the way.
+0
David
--- James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
> I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer
> material.
> He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe
> him
> a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
> Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given
> presentations,
> mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers
> that
> be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough
> about
> his generosity.
>
> If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the
> next
> O'Reilly book on Struts.
>
> Here is my +1
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
> EdgeTech, Inc.
> 678.910.8017
> AIM: jmitchtx
>
>
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RE: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by James Holmes <ja...@jamesholmes.com>.
+1
I know Bill too and can vouch for everything Mitchell mentions. His music
may be a little strange, but...
Just kidding Bill!
-James
-----Original Message-----
From: James Mitchell [mailto:jmitchell@apache.org]
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:03 PM
To: Struts Developers List
Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material.
He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him
a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in
Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations,
mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the "powers that
be" into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about
his generosity.
If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next
O'Reilly book on Struts.
Here is my +1
--
James Mitchell
Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
EdgeTech, Inc.
678.910.8017
AIM: jmitchtx
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Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Bill has been of huge help to me personally and to many other Struts developers.
+1
On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:03:15 -0400, James Mitchell wrote:
> I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer
> material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and
> others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts
> Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-
> atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members,
> and is responsible for persuading the "powers that be" into letting
> us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his
> generosity.
>
> If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing
> the next O'Reilly book on Struts.
>
> Here is my +1
>
>
> --
> James Mitchell
> Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist
> EdgeTech, Inc.
> 678.910.8017
> AIM: jmitchtx
>
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