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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] metesynnada opened a new issue, #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
metesynnada opened a new issue, #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740
**Is your feature request related to a problem or challenge? Please describe what you are trying to do.**
I want an async CSV writer to use it in an async context. The current implementation is blocking even if we are in the tokio environment.
**Describe the solution you'd like**
A writer using `tokio::io::*AsyncWrite`* might be the solution.
**Describe alternatives you've considered**
NA
**Additional context**
Na
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1443155815
> What do you think about this feature?
Store specific functionality, let alone operating specific functionality, doesn't seem like a great fit for the object store crate. Python fsspec which is more filesystem focused doesn't support them either.
I'm not familiar with your use-case, but trying to shoehorn streaming through OS-specific filesystem APIs seems a little odd to me. Is there a reason you opted for such an approach over a custom operator? This would also allow generalising to streaming brokers like Kafka, Kinesis, etc... and potentially using things like unix domain sockets which have better async stories?
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] metesynnada commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "metesynnada (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
metesynnada commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1443610520
> I'm not familiar with your use case, but trying to shoehorn streaming through OS-specific filesystem APIs seems a little odd to me.
Suppose you read a `ListingTable` in Datafusion. You need to use the `object-store` crate to read the data. More specifically, you would use the `get` API and it would produce a ByteStream (futures::stream) and you can consume it.
I was looking for a `put` API similar to this logic, an async writer. However, we will be looking for extending this feature to streaming brokers like Kafka, Kinesis, etc. FIFO was a way to make the ListingTable unifying stream and batch approaches. This is why I was looking for ways for extending the `object-store` crate.
Overall, we believe that overfitting the batch solutions is mostly avoidable. However, I understand your concern.
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1441619053
> I couldn't think of a solution on how to keep buffer ownership while writing with the usual Writer
Perhaps something like (not tested)
```
let mut buffer = Vec::with_capacity(1024);
while let Some(batch) = stream.next().await.transpose()? {
let writer = Writer::new(&mut buffer);
writer.write(&batch)?;
std::mem::drop(writer);
flush(&buffer).await?;
buffer.clear();
}
```
Whilst creating the `Writer` each time is perhaps a little unfortunate, I am skeptical it will be relevant when amortised over the cost of encoding an entire batch - CSV encoding is very expensive.
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1444281971
> using async primitives to do the actual writing within the same thread
FWIW tokio doesn't support non-blocking filesystem IO, tokio-uring is still experimental, so it will always dispatch to a separate blocking threadpool. This was what I was alluding to when I suggested sockets might be a more compelling primitive than using filesystem APIs
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] ozankabak commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "ozankabak (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
ozankabak commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1444218489
> I don't think this is avoidable, arrow is a columnar data format, it fundamentally assumes batching to amortise dispatch overheads. Row-based streaming would require a completely different architecture, likely using a JIT?
@tustvold, I think there is maybe some terminology-related confusion going on here w.r.t. batching. I am sure @metesynnada was not trying to say he wants to avoid batching in its entirety. I think what he envisions (albeit maybe not conveyed clearly) is simply an API that operates with an async writer so that non-IO operations can carry on when the actual write to the object store is taking place.
The current API (i.e. the `put` function) is already `async` and it performs the actual write in a separate thread AFAICT. If this is indeed true, it already doesn't stop the other non-IO operations. Given that we want to serialize synchronously for performance reasons, then it doesn't really matter where we do it -- the API seems sufficient to me as is. I just had a discussion with @metesynnada on this, he seems to agree and can comment further on this if I'm missing something.
Given that we are analyzing this part of the code, one good thing we can do is to investigate whether avoiding the new IO thread and using async primitives to do the actual writing within the same thread makes sense. I am not entirely sure what the advantages/disadvantages of doing that will be. @metesynnada can do some measurements to quantify this. Maybe you can share the reasoning behind the current choice?
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] metesynnada commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "metesynnada (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
metesynnada commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1449782285
cc @tustvold , I introduced a new API for objects that support append. What do you think about it?
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1438682974
I wonder if this could be achieved by simply writing a batch to an in-memory `Vec` using the current "blocking" writer, and then flushing the output to an async output. This would be more flexible, and likely significantly faster than an approach that integrates async at a lower level.
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] metesynnada commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "metesynnada (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
metesynnada commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1442893191
I am OK with the separation. The main idea behind adding `AsyncWrite` support was using the object store's `put` and `put_multipart` APIs in Datafusion.
https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/blob/350867436ab3477bafd7008355286378ab37045f/object_store/src/lib.rs#L191-L217
I was planning to add a new API like `put_multipart` which returns only `Box<dyn AsyncWrite + Unpin + Send>` to support single files without multipart support. What do you think about this feature?
It would look like
```
async fn put_singlepart(
&self,
location: &Path,
) -> Result<Box<dyn AsyncWrite + Unpin + Send>>;
```
Consider the `put_multipart` implementation of the local file system, which generates a temporary file and finalizes its name upon reaching the `LocalUploadState::ShuttingDown` stage to complete the writing process. However, when dealing with FIFO cases, what would you recommend? Would it be still appropriate to use the `object_store` for individual files? In Datafusion, my approach would be to verify if the underlying source is unbounded and, if so, utilize the `put_singlepart()`.
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] metesynnada commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "metesynnada (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
metesynnada commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1441734069
I made a benchmark for record batch writing by 3 cases. Ordinary writer, async writer, and buffered async writer (current discussion)
For low batch size (10) - batch count (1000) with usual schema.
```
Running benches/buffer_bench.rs (target/release/deps/buffer_bench-f7b991c50b44d14d)
async time: [18.417 ms 18.942 ms 19.526 ms]
change: [-75.407% -74.625% -73.930%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has improved.
Found 1 outliers among 100 measurements (1.00%)
1 (1.00%) high severe
async_buffered time: [17.519 ms 17.718 ms 18.016 ms]
change: [-75.844% -75.540% -75.034%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has improved.
Found 15 outliers among 100 measurements (15.00%)
8 (8.00%) high mild
7 (7.00%) high severe
sync time: [11.640 ms 12.062 ms 12.532 ms]
change: [-85.176% -84.617% -83.999%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has improved.
Found 22 outliers among 100 measurements (22.00%)
5 (5.00%) high mild
17 (17.00%) high severe
```
For larger batch sizes (1000) - batch count (100) with usual schema.
```
Benchmarking async: Warming up for 3.0000 s
Warning: Unable to complete 100 samples in 5.0s. You may wish to increase target time to 7.7s, or reduce sample count to 60.
async time: [74.173 ms 74.648 ms 75.173 ms]
change: [+490.63% +496.74% +502.77%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has regressed.
Found 3 outliers among 100 measurements (3.00%)
2 (2.00%) high mild
1 (1.00%) high severe
Benchmarking async_buffered: Warming up for 3.0000 s
Warning: Unable to complete 100 samples in 5.0s. You may wish to increase target time to 7.3s, or reduce sample count to 60.
async_buffered time: [72.195 ms 72.435 ms 72.695 ms]
change: [+623.27% +627.13% +630.93%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has regressed.
Found 13 outliers among 100 measurements (13.00%)
1 (1.00%) low mild
8 (8.00%) high mild
4 (4.00%) high severe
Benchmarking sync: Warming up for 3.0000 s
Warning: Unable to complete 100 samples in 5.0s. You may wish to increase target time to 7.9s, or reduce sample count to 60.
sync time: [78.149 ms 78.415 ms 78.772 ms]
change: [+730.79% +735.48% +740.48%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has regressed.
Found 11 outliers among 100 measurements (11.00%)
4 (4.00%) low mild
7 (7.00%) high severe
```
I think with the usual batch size (4096) - batch count (100) with usual schema.
```
Running benches/buffer_bench.rs (target/release/deps/buffer_bench-f7b991c50b44d14d)
Benchmarking async: Warming up for 3.0000 s
Warning: Unable to complete 100 samples in 5.0s. You may wish to increase target time to 30.4s, or reduce sample count to 10.
async time: [300.46 ms 301.73 ms 303.03 ms]
change: [+1443.9% +1493.0% +1538.6%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has regressed.
Found 3 outliers among 100 measurements (3.00%)
3 (3.00%) high mild
Benchmarking async_buffered: Warming up for 3.0000 s
Warning: Unable to complete 100 samples in 5.0s. You may wish to increase target time to 28.1s, or reduce sample count to 10.
async_buffered time: [279.85 ms 281.20 ms 282.96 ms]
change: [+1459.3% +1487.1% +1508.2%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has regressed.
Found 6 outliers among 100 measurements (6.00%)
6 (6.00%) high severe
Benchmarking sync: Warming up for 3.0000 s
Warning: Unable to complete 100 samples in 5.0s. You may wish to increase target time to 31.1s, or reduce sample count to 10.
sync time: [310.66 ms 311.43 ms 312.36 ms]
change: [+2385.1% +2481.8% +2576.3%] (p = 0.00 < 0.05)
Performance has regressed.
Found 7 outliers among 100 measurements (7.00%)
3 (3.00%) high mild
4 (4.00%) high severe
```
I think the buffered version is also scalable immediately into JSON and AVRO:
```
pub struct BufferWriter<W: AsyncWrite + Unpin + Send> {
writer: BufWriter<W>,
buffer: Vec<u8>
}
impl<W: AsyncWrite + Unpin + Send> BufferWriter<W> {
pub fn new(writer: W) -> Self {
BufferWriter {
writer: BufWriter::new(writer),
buffer: Vec::with_capacity(4096)
}
}
pub async fn write(&mut self, batch: &RecordBatch, header: bool) -> Result<(), ArrowError> {
{
let mut inner_writer = Writer::new_with_header(&mut self.buffer, header);
inner_writer.write(batch)?;
}
self.writer.write_all(&self.buffer).await?;
self.writer.flush().await?;
self.buffer.clear();
Ok(())
}
}
```
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Re: [I] Support for Async CSV Writer [arrow-rs]
Posted by "alamb (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
alamb commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-2741685280
Migrating from arrow-rs issue [#3740](https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740)
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1443627370
> we believe that overfitting the batch solutions is mostly avoidable
I don't think this is avoidable, arrow is a columnar data format, it fundamentally assumes batching to amortise dispatch overheads. Row-based streaming would require a completely different architecture, likely using a JIT?
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] metesynnada commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "metesynnada (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
metesynnada commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1449903126
A synchronous chat would be OK. Meanwhile, you can check https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/issues/5130 for more insight into the use case.
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1483132684
`label_issue.py` automatically added labels {'object-store'} from #2
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] ozankabak commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "ozankabak (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
ozankabak commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1444379716
OK, so we will need proper `tokio` support before we can investigate thread vs. async primitives distinction w.r.t. files, so let's wait on that. For handling streaming brokers, a custom operator leveraging a socket-based approach makes sense, I will think about that.
> This is true, but each put creates a new file, overwriting anything already present, which I suspect will be a problem?
Right. A simple mechanism to choose between overwrite/append behaviors should be enough for @metesynnada's purposes. Everything is already async.
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] alamb closed issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "alamb (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
alamb closed issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1483132625
`label_issue.py` automatically added labels {'arrow'} from #2
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1449861923
> What do you think about it
I'm not a massive fan of introducing an abstraction to an object_store crate that few if any actual object stores support... Perhaps @alamb might be able to facilitate a synchronous chat if you would be amenable, I think we may be able to facilitate your use-case without needing to graft it to filesystem APIs
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] tustvold commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "tustvold (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
tustvold commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1441803061
> If you are also satisfied with the result of buffered version
The performance across all seems to be basically comparable, it would be interesting to see a profile, but I suspect the difference is in the sizing of the intermediate buffer, which will be highly dependent on the destination sink as to what the optimal size is.
> If you are also satisfied with the result of buffered version, I will add this functionality into CSV and JSON
Thus far we have managed to avoid async within arrow-rs, and I think this encourages a nice separation of compute and IO. What do you think about adding this functionality instead to DataFusion and perhaps just adding a doc comment to arrow-rs showing how it can be done?
e.g. something like (not tested)
```
async fn write_async<I, F, Fut>(batches: I, flush: F) -> Result<(), ArrowError> where I: IntoIterator<Item=RecordBatch>, F: Fn(&[u8]) -> Fut, Fut: Future<Output=Result<(), ArrowError> {
let mut buffer = Vec::with_capacity(4096);
for batch in batches {
{
let mut writer = Writer::new(&mut buffer);
writer.write(batch)?;
}
flush(&buffer).await?;
buffer.clear()
}
}
```
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] metesynnada commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "metesynnada (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
metesynnada commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1441609389
> I wonder if this could be achieved by simply writing a batch to an in-memory Vec using the current "blocking" writer, and then flushing the output to an async output. This would be more flexible, and likely significantly faster than an approach that integrates async at a lower level.
I think this requires constantly creating a "blocking" writer for each record batch since it will own the in-memory `Vec`. The API for reaching the internal buffer is ` self.writer.into_inner()` which uses `mem::replace(self, None)`.
I couldn't think of a solution on how to keep buffer ownership while writing with the usual Writer. Do you have any idea how I can code that?
Btw, I verified the performance degradation, I agree with you that CPU-bound computations like serialization shouldn't be async since there is no gain. I am trying to isolate the IO-bound operation (flush) async as you said.
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[GitHub] [arrow-rs] alamb commented on issue #3740: Support for Async CSV Writer
Posted by "alamb (via GitHub)" <gi...@apache.org>.
alamb commented on issue #3740:
URL: https://github.com/apache/arrow-rs/issues/3740#issuecomment-1445122685
For more context, I believe the use case for this feature may be related to https://github.com/apache/arrow-datafusion/issues/5130
Having a "native" async csv writer in arrow-rs I can see being a compelling UX feature (aka it would make it easier to use and integrate). However, I don't know how much easier it would be and how much maintenance it would require.
I really like the idea, mentioned in a few places on this thread, of creating an async CSV writer by wrapping the existing blocking / batching one outside of arrow-rs initially (I don't think there is any reason this can not be done).
Once we have the actual code and an an example use of it it, then we will be in a much better position to evaluate how it performs compared to a "native" async writer, how it is actually used, and if we should reconsider incorporating it into arrow-rs
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