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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Ovidiu Predescu <ov...@cup.hp.com> on 2001/04/28 08:24:05 UTC
Re: JspGenerator (was Re: integrating c2 and struts)
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:47:15 +0200, Sylvain Wallez <sy...@anyware-tech.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jon Brisbin a �crit :
> >
> > blah> I had similar thoughts, but the deeper I got into C2 the more
> > blah> I reallized
> > blah> that Struts does not appear to be neccesary. You already get MVC type
> > blah> activity with C2 Actions, you get xbeans, you can create
> > blah> taglibs. What more
> > blah> do you need?
> >
> > i guess i really like the action, form, and jsp bean approach in struts and
> > would put my client for ejb session beans in jsp session beans, just like
> > the folks do on another project i'm working on...i would output xml in
> > jsp...
> >
> > i also wanted the flexibility to not have to completely re-write my
> > application if some version of cocoon changes again like the c1/c2 leap and
> > my app wasn't portable...just the front-end xsl transformation on that
> > one...
> >
> > i also wanted the flexibility of handling disparate methods of generating
> > dynamic xml for possible future projects, adaptations, and implementations
> > of my cocoon software...that way i can get xml source data from joe blow's
> > office/department through an isdn/satellite modem/cable modem/t1/lan/etc...
> > and still have one central cocoon front-end :-)
> >
> > blah> I originally thought that I was going to have to write my own
> > blah> Generators,
> > blah> but now I'm not so sure.
> >
> > i was just thinking that today, actually! glad to hear i probably wouldn't
> > have to go that route!
> >
> > i appreciate your input, thanks!
> >
> > jb
> >
> If you want to use existing nice JSP taglibs like Struts (or, like me,
> the Jive Forum taglibs found at coolservlets.com) in C2, you can use the
> brand new JspGenerator that Davanum Srinivas (thanks for it, Dims) added
> recently.
Is JspGenerator functional? I briefly glanced at it and it appeared to
me as being only a skeleton. I was actually planning to do some work
exactly in this area, so it would help to know if somebody has already
picked up this task. Davanum, could you please confirm this?
Greetings,
Ovidiu
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RE: JspGenerator (was Re: integrating c2 and struts)
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Already done.... :) Look at the latest CVS.
-- dims
--- Jon Brisbin <br...@ipa.net> wrote:
>
> A good JspGenerator for c2 would really be an EXCELLENT addition to the functionality of cocoon.
>
>
> Some would argue that the JSP model is flawed, blahblah. But there are SO MANY developers that
> concentrate on JSP, and if you use it to output XML instead of HTML, it *could* be an incredibly
> powerful addition to cocoon. Using XML, there would be minimal (if not non-existent) conflict
> of ideology between JSP and cocoon.
>
> People will still argue about it, of course. That's what people do. But the point we often
> forget is that the whole purpose of any of this is to produce for a client a product that makes
> us money and does what they need it to. It's always nice to conform to the neat ideologies of
> programming, etc...but sticking to an ideology in programming is not the goal. Forgetting that
> is what causes a lot of this wrangling over different frameworks, app servers, platforms,
> technologies, etc...
>
> Anyhoo, I think a JspGenerator is an excellent idea and would give moral support to anyone that
> can create it. I'm not a good enough Java programmer yet to attempt it, so I'll leave it to the
> gurus on the list ;-)
>
> Jon Brisbin
>
> blah> -----Original Message-----
> blah> From: ovidiu@cup.hp.com [mailto:ovidiu@cup.hp.com]
> blah> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:24 AM
> blah> To: Sylvain Wallez; Davanum Srinivas
> blah> Cc: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
> blah> Subject: Re: JspGenerator (was Re: integrating c2 and struts)
> blah>
> blah>
> blah> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:47:15 +0200, Sylvain Wallez
> blah> <sy...@anyware-tech.com> wrote:
> blah>
> blah> >
> blah> >
> blah> > Jon Brisbin a crit :
> blah> > >
> blah> > > blah> I had similar thoughts, but the deeper I got into
> blah> C2 the more
> blah> > > blah> I reallized
> blah> > > blah> that Struts does not appear to be neccesary. You
> blah> already get MVC type
> blah> > > blah> activity with C2 Actions, you get xbeans, you can create
> blah> > > blah> taglibs. What more
> blah> > > blah> do you need?
> blah> > >
> blah> > > i guess i really like the action, form, and jsp bean
> blah> approach in struts and
> blah> > > would put my client for ejb session beans in jsp session
> blah> beans, just like
> blah> > > the folks do on another project i'm working on...i would
> blah> output xml in
> blah> > > jsp...
> blah> > >
> blah> > > i also wanted the flexibility to not have to completely
> blah> re-write my
> blah> > > application if some version of cocoon changes again like
> blah> the c1/c2 leap and
> blah> > > my app wasn't portable...just the front-end xsl
> blah> transformation on that
> blah> > > one...
> blah> > >
> blah> > > i also wanted the flexibility of handling disparate
> blah> methods of generating
> blah> > > dynamic xml for possible future projects, adaptations,
> blah> and implementations
> blah> > > of my cocoon software...that way i can get xml source
> blah> data from joe blow's
> blah> > > office/department through an isdn/satellite modem/cable
> blah> modem/t1/lan/etc...
> blah> > > and still have one central cocoon front-end :-)
> blah> > >
> blah> > > blah> I originally thought that I was going to have to
> blah> write my own
> blah> > > blah> Generators,
> blah> > > blah> but now I'm not so sure.
> blah> > >
> blah> > > i was just thinking that today, actually! glad to hear i
> blah> probably wouldn't
> blah> > > have to go that route!
> blah> > >
> blah> > > i appreciate your input, thanks!
> blah> > >
> blah> > > jb
> blah> > >
> blah> > If you want to use existing nice JSP taglibs like Struts
> blah> (or, like me,
> blah> > the Jive Forum taglibs found at coolservlets.com) in C2,
> blah> you can use the
> blah> > brand new JspGenerator that Davanum Srinivas (thanks for
> blah> it, Dims) added
> blah> > recently.
> blah>
> blah> Is JspGenerator functional? I briefly glanced at it and it appeared to
> blah> me as being only a skeleton. I was actually planning to do some work
> blah> exactly in this area, so it would help to know if somebody has already
> blah> picked up this task. Davanum, could you please confirm this?
> blah>
> blah> Greetings,
> blah> Ovidiu
> blah>
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RE: JspGenerator (was Re: integrating c2 and struts)
Posted by Jon Brisbin <br...@ipa.net>.
A good JspGenerator for c2 would really be an EXCELLENT addition to the functionality of cocoon.
Some would argue that the JSP model is flawed, blahblah. But there are SO MANY developers that concentrate on JSP, and if you use it to output XML instead of HTML, it *could* be an incredibly powerful addition to cocoon. Using XML, there would be minimal (if not non-existent) conflict of ideology between JSP and cocoon.
People will still argue about it, of course. That's what people do. But the point we often forget is that the whole purpose of any of this is to produce for a client a product that makes us money and does what they need it to. It's always nice to conform to the neat ideologies of programming, etc...but sticking to an ideology in programming is not the goal. Forgetting that is what causes a lot of this wrangling over different frameworks, app servers, platforms, technologies, etc...
Anyhoo, I think a JspGenerator is an excellent idea and would give moral support to anyone that can create it. I'm not a good enough Java programmer yet to attempt it, so I'll leave it to the gurus on the list ;-)
Jon Brisbin
blah> -----Original Message-----
blah> From: ovidiu@cup.hp.com [mailto:ovidiu@cup.hp.com]
blah> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:24 AM
blah> To: Sylvain Wallez; Davanum Srinivas
blah> Cc: cocoon-users@xml.apache.org
blah> Subject: Re: JspGenerator (was Re: integrating c2 and struts)
blah>
blah>
blah> On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 09:47:15 +0200, Sylvain Wallez
blah> <sy...@anyware-tech.com> wrote:
blah>
blah> >
blah> >
blah> > Jon Brisbin a crit :
blah> > >
blah> > > blah> I had similar thoughts, but the deeper I got into
blah> C2 the more
blah> > > blah> I reallized
blah> > > blah> that Struts does not appear to be neccesary. You
blah> already get MVC type
blah> > > blah> activity with C2 Actions, you get xbeans, you can create
blah> > > blah> taglibs. What more
blah> > > blah> do you need?
blah> > >
blah> > > i guess i really like the action, form, and jsp bean
blah> approach in struts and
blah> > > would put my client for ejb session beans in jsp session
blah> beans, just like
blah> > > the folks do on another project i'm working on...i would
blah> output xml in
blah> > > jsp...
blah> > >
blah> > > i also wanted the flexibility to not have to completely
blah> re-write my
blah> > > application if some version of cocoon changes again like
blah> the c1/c2 leap and
blah> > > my app wasn't portable...just the front-end xsl
blah> transformation on that
blah> > > one...
blah> > >
blah> > > i also wanted the flexibility of handling disparate
blah> methods of generating
blah> > > dynamic xml for possible future projects, adaptations,
blah> and implementations
blah> > > of my cocoon software...that way i can get xml source
blah> data from joe blow's
blah> > > office/department through an isdn/satellite modem/cable
blah> modem/t1/lan/etc...
blah> > > and still have one central cocoon front-end :-)
blah> > >
blah> > > blah> I originally thought that I was going to have to
blah> write my own
blah> > > blah> Generators,
blah> > > blah> but now I'm not so sure.
blah> > >
blah> > > i was just thinking that today, actually! glad to hear i
blah> probably wouldn't
blah> > > have to go that route!
blah> > >
blah> > > i appreciate your input, thanks!
blah> > >
blah> > > jb
blah> > >
blah> > If you want to use existing nice JSP taglibs like Struts
blah> (or, like me,
blah> > the Jive Forum taglibs found at coolservlets.com) in C2,
blah> you can use the
blah> > brand new JspGenerator that Davanum Srinivas (thanks for
blah> it, Dims) added
blah> > recently.
blah>
blah> Is JspGenerator functional? I briefly glanced at it and it appeared to
blah> me as being only a skeleton. I was actually planning to do some work
blah> exactly in this area, so it would help to know if somebody has already
blah> picked up this task. Davanum, could you please confirm this?
blah>
blah> Greetings,
blah> Ovidiu
blah>
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blah> FAQ before posting. <http://xml.apache.org/cocoon/faqs.html>
blah>
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