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Posted to fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org by Kurt Spescha <ku...@consor.ch> on 2002/08/02 17:14:15 UTC

Renderer for RTF & AFP

Hallo,

Has someone written or try to write a renderer for AFP or RTF? 

It should be done out of the XSL:FO-Standard. Besides PDF (which is
working fine) these formats are quite often requested. RTF has been
announced as beeing integrated soon. How soon?

rgrds Kurt



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Re: Renderer for RTF & AFP

Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
On 05.08.2002 11:15:03 Keiron Liddle wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 10:57, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> > Hallo Kurt
> > 
> > You've read from Bertrand about the RTF renderer.
> > 
> > Concerning the AFP renderer: I think there are at least two
> > implementations of an AFP renderer for FOP but both are closed-source.
> > Last September I've tried to get the at the code for the AFP renderer
> > that was started at UBS, after that project was canceled. No success.
> 
> We tried that also.
> Instead I ended up writing it myself.

That's the one on your CV, right? :-)

> > We at Outline still think about creating an AFP renderer because a lot
> > of our customers work with it at the moment. Currently we're working
> > with a PDF/PostScript combination. Last time we talked about it
> > management would also want to have a closed-source AFP implementation.
> > That's bad news, but I'm still working on it.
> 
> We have a closed source version that they have no intention of
> releasing.
> Now everyone can have there own closed source version.
> I guess it is one of those formats stuck in the dark ages.

In people's minds: AFP = IBM = worth a lot of money. :-)

> > I wonder how many people would be interested in an AFP renderer.
> > Hopefully there would be people/companies willing to contribute to such
> > a component.
> 
> Our AFP renderer is not complete for example it does not do images.
> I cannot promise anything at all but I could imagine that if someone
> managed to get something open source it would encourage others.

That's what I imagine. I may be able to get resources for working on an
AFP renderer once there is something started as OS.

> > I don't know anything about AFP right now, but I can't be much more
> > difficult than the PostScript renderer I started last year. And that
> > wasn't difficult at all. I've just heard about AFP that the specs change
> > rather often. I don't know how much truth there's to it.
> 
> If you like working with binary and pouring through hex code then this
> is the format for you. Otherwise it is ugly and painful.
> The specs are nice and confusing too.

Just what I suspected. So it sounds like a nice little challenge. Any
takers?


Jeremias Maerki


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Re: Renderer for RTF & AFP

Posted by Keiron Liddle <ke...@aftexsw.com>.
On Mon, 2002-08-05 at 10:57, Jeremias Maerki wrote:
> Hallo Kurt
> 
> You've read from Bertrand about the RTF renderer.
> 
> Concerning the AFP renderer: I think there are at least two
> implementations of an AFP renderer for FOP but both are closed-source.
> Last September I've tried to get the at the code for the AFP renderer
> that was started at UBS, after that project was canceled. No success.

We tried that also.
Instead I ended up writing it myself.

> We at Outline still think about creating an AFP renderer because a lot
> of our customers work with it at the moment. Currently we're working
> with a PDF/PostScript combination. Last time we talked about it
> management would also want to have a closed-source AFP implementation.
> That's bad news, but I'm still working on it.

We have a closed source version that they have no intention of
releasing.
Now everyone can have there own closed source version.
I guess it is one of those formats stuck in the dark ages.

> I wonder how many people would be interested in an AFP renderer.
> Hopefully there would be people/companies willing to contribute to such
> a component.

Our AFP renderer is not complete for example it does not do images.
I cannot promise anything at all but I could imagine that if someone
managed to get something open source it would encourage others.

> I don't know anything about AFP right now, but I can't be much more
> difficult than the PostScript renderer I started last year. And that
> wasn't difficult at all. I've just heard about AFP that the specs change
> rather often. I don't know how much truth there's to it.

If you like working with binary and pouring through hex code then this
is the format for you. Otherwise it is ugly and painful.
The specs are nice and confusing too.


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Re: Renderer for RTF & AFP

Posted by Jeremias Maerki <de...@greenmail.ch>.
Hallo Kurt

You've read from Bertrand about the RTF renderer.

Concerning the AFP renderer: I think there are at least two
implementations of an AFP renderer for FOP but both are closed-source.
Last September I've tried to get the at the code for the AFP renderer
that was started at UBS, after that project was canceled. No success.

We at Outline still think about creating an AFP renderer because a lot
of our customers work with it at the moment. Currently we're working
with a PDF/PostScript combination. Last time we talked about it
management would also want to have a closed-source AFP implementation.
That's bad news, but I'm still working on it.

I wonder how many people would be interested in an AFP renderer.
Hopefully there would be people/companies willing to contribute to such
a component.

I don't know anything about AFP right now, but I can't be much more
difficult than the PostScript renderer I started last year. And that
wasn't difficult at all. I've just heard about AFP that the specs change
rather often. I don't know how much truth there's to it.

On 02.08.2002 17:14:15 Kurt Spescha wrote:
> Has someone written or try to write a renderer for AFP or RTF? 
> 
> It should be done out of the XSL:FO-Standard. Besides PDF (which is
> working fine) these formats are quite often requested. RTF has been
> announced as beeing integrated soon. How soon?


Jeremias Maerki


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Re: Renderer for RTF & AFP

Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@codeconsult.ch>.
On Friday 02 August 2002 17:14, Kurt Spescha wrote:
> . . .RTF has been
> announced as beeing integrated soon. How soon?

We're expecting a contribution in this area in a week or two, but this will 
go into the redesign code base first, so it will take some time before 
actually being released.

In the meantime you can use jfor (www.jfor.org) to generate RTF from XSL-FO. 
Not complete but usable with some workarounds depending on the desired output.

-- 
 Bertrand Delacrétaz (codeconsult.ch, jfor.org)

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