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Re: [HEADS-UP] Licensing issues in newer jetty?

Felix Röthenbacher wrote:

> What about using Maven for Lenya and download the dependencies if 
> required?


I found (again) the work in progress decribing the licenses compatibility:

http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues

Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Antonio Gallardo.

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Re: [Legal] Licensing issues in newer jetty?

Posted by Antonio Gallardo <an...@apache.org>.
Hi:

Where are the licenses for the jars in 
http://svn.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/lenya/trunk/tools/jetty/extra/ext/

Comment between lines.....

Thorsten Scherler wrote:

>Hello legal team,
>
>I forward a legal concern about JettyPlus. Please see the following mail
>and the background thread for more information
>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lenya-dev&w=2&r=1&s=Licensing+issues&q=b
>
>Thanks in advance for some advice.
>
>salu2
>thorsten
>
>El mar, 03-01-2006 a las 10:02 +0100, Felix Röthenbacher escribió:
>  
>
>>Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Felix Röthenbacher wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>What about using Maven for Lenya and download the dependencies if 
>>>>required?
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>
>>>I found (again) the work in progress decribing the licenses compatibility:
>>>
>>>http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues
>>>
>>>Hope this helps.
>>>      
>>>
>>Hi Antonio
>>
>>Thanks for investigating this licence issue. I did a short review of the
>>license granted by Sun for Java Mail and JavaBean Activation Framework
>>and want to quote short excerpts from the license which seems relevant
>>to me for discussion:
>>
>>----
>>
>>JavaMail 1.3.3:
>>
>>6. Java Compatibility and Open Source.
>>
>>Software may contain Java technology. You may not
>>create additional classes to, or modifications of, the
>>Java technology, except under compatibility
>>requirements available under a separate agreement
>>available at www.java.net.
>>
>>Sun supports and benefits from the global community of
>>open source developers, and thanks the community for
>>its important contributions and open standards-based
>>technology, which Sun has adopted into many of its
>>products.
>>
>>Please note that portions of Software may be provided
>>with notices and open source licenses from such
>>communities and third parties that govern the use of
>>those portions, and any licenses granted hereunder do
>>not alter any rights and obligations you may have
>>under such open source licenses, however, the
>>disclaimer of warranty and limitation of liability
>>provisions in this Agreement will apply to all
>>Software in this distribution.
>>
>>----
>>
>>JavaBean Activation Framework 1.0.2:
>>
>>    1. Software Internal Use and Development License
>>    Grant.  Subject to the terms and conditions of
>>    this Agreement, including, but not limited to
>>    Section 3 (Java(TM) Technology Restrictions) of
>>    these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a
>>    non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
>>    to reproduce internally and use internally the
>>    binary form of the Software, complete and
>>    unmodified, for the sole purpose of designing,
>>    developing and testing your Java applets and
>>    applications ("Programs").
>>
>>    2. License to Distribute Software.  In addition to
>>    the license granted in Section 1 (Software
>>    Internal Use and Development License Grant) of
>>    these Supplemental Terms, subject to the terms and
>>    conditions of this Agreement, including but not
>>    limited to, Section 3 (Java Technology
>>    Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun
>>    grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable,
>>    limited license to reproduce and distribute the
>>    Software in binary code form only, provided that
>>    you (i) distribute the Software complete and
>>    unmodified and only bundled as part of your
>>    Programs, (ii) do not distribute additional
>>    software intended to replace any component(s) of
>>    the Software, (iii) do not remove or alter any
>>    proprietary legends or notices contained in the
>>    Software, (iv) only distribute the Software
>>    subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's
>>    interests consistent with the terms contained in
>>    this Agreement, and (v) agree to defend and
>>    indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against
>>    any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement
>>    amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys'
>>    fees) incurred in connection with any claim,
>>    lawsuit or action by any third party that arises
>>    or results from the use or distribution of any and
>>    all Programs and/or Software.
>>    
>>
IANAL, but Point (ii) and perhaps (iv) violates the ASL 2.0. Simply 
because it impose more restrictions than the ASL 2.0. Anyhow I think we 
can stay away of this code since we don't have a official ASF position 
about this licenses. I think a document explaining the official position 
will be released soon.

If jaf is forbidden, then does not make sense to include also mail.jar, 
because it depends on jaf.jar.

>>---
>>
>>The link you quoted above states for Sun BCL that
>>binaries "maybe" downloadable from Apache. The
>>JavaBean Activation Framework is licensed under Sun BCL
>>and it would be interesting if the "maybe" means yes for
>>JAF. Maybe Sun's contact at the bottom of the license can
>>give any further information. I can't see any license
>>category for the JavaMail binary though paragraph 6
>>states that it is permissible to distribute the binary
>>for open-source communities. The question arises if
>>this is compatible with the Apache license.
>>
>>If you can give any further information or pass this issue
>>on to anybody with more insight in licencing procedures
>>that would be very helpful.
>>
>>Thanks a lot
>>
>>Felix
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
Best Regards,

Antonio Gallardo.


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Re: [Legal] Licensing issues in newer jetty?

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
Sorry, wrong mail address the first time.

salu2

El mar, 03-01-2006 a las 10:12 +0100, Thorsten Scherler escribió:
> Hello legal team,
> 
> I forward a legal concern about JettyPlus. Please see the following mail
> and the background thread for more information
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lenya-dev&w=2&r=1&s=Licensing+issues&q=b
> 
> Thanks in advance for some advice.
> 
> salu2
> thorsten
> 
> El mar, 03-01-2006 a las 10:02 +0100, Felix Röthenbacher escribió:
> > Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> > > Felix Röthenbacher wrote:
> > > 
> > >> What about using Maven for Lenya and download the dependencies if 
> > >> required?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I found (again) the work in progress decribing the licenses compatibility:
> > > 
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Antonio
> > 
> > Thanks for investigating this licence issue. I did a short review of the
> > license granted by Sun for Java Mail and JavaBean Activation Framework
> > and want to quote short excerpts from the license which seems relevant
> > to me for discussion:
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > JavaMail 1.3.3:
> > 
> > 6. Java Compatibility and Open Source.
> > 
> > Software may contain Java technology. You may not
> > create additional classes to, or modifications of, the
> > Java technology, except under compatibility
> > requirements available under a separate agreement
> > available at www.java.net.
> > 
> > Sun supports and benefits from the global community of
> > open source developers, and thanks the community for
> > its important contributions and open standards-based
> > technology, which Sun has adopted into many of its
> > products.
> > 
> > Please note that portions of Software may be provided
> > with notices and open source licenses from such
> > communities and third parties that govern the use of
> > those portions, and any licenses granted hereunder do
> > not alter any rights and obligations you may have
> > under such open source licenses, however, the
> > disclaimer of warranty and limitation of liability
> > provisions in this Agreement will apply to all
> > Software in this distribution.
> > 
> > ----
> > 
> > JavaBean Activation Framework 1.0.2:
> > 
> >     1. Software Internal Use and Development License
> >     Grant.  Subject to the terms and conditions of
> >     this Agreement, including, but not limited to
> >     Section 3 (Java(TM) Technology Restrictions) of
> >     these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a
> >     non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
> >     to reproduce internally and use internally the
> >     binary form of the Software, complete and
> >     unmodified, for the sole purpose of designing,
> >     developing and testing your Java applets and
> >     applications ("Programs").
> > 
> >     2. License to Distribute Software.  In addition to
> >     the license granted in Section 1 (Software
> >     Internal Use and Development License Grant) of
> >     these Supplemental Terms, subject to the terms and
> >     conditions of this Agreement, including but not
> >     limited to, Section 3 (Java Technology
> >     Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun
> >     grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable,
> >     limited license to reproduce and distribute the
> >     Software in binary code form only, provided that
> >     you (i) distribute the Software complete and
> >     unmodified and only bundled as part of your
> >     Programs, (ii) do not distribute additional
> >     software intended to replace any component(s) of
> >     the Software, (iii) do not remove or alter any
> >     proprietary legends or notices contained in the
> >     Software, (iv) only distribute the Software
> >     subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's
> >     interests consistent with the terms contained in
> >     this Agreement, and (v) agree to defend and
> >     indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against
> >     any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement
> >     amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys'
> >     fees) incurred in connection with any claim,
> >     lawsuit or action by any third party that arises
> >     or results from the use or distribution of any and
> >     all Programs and/or Software.
> > 
> > ---
> > 
> > The link you quoted above states for Sun BCL that
> > binaries "maybe" downloadable from Apache. The
> > JavaBean Activation Framework is licensed under Sun BCL
> > and it would be interesting if the "maybe" means yes for
> > JAF. Maybe Sun's contact at the bottom of the license can
> > give any further information. I can't see any license
> > category for the JavaMail binary though paragraph 6
> > states that it is permissible to distribute the binary
> > for open-source communities. The question arises if
> > this is compatible with the Apache license.
> > 
> > If you can give any further information or pass this issue
> > on to anybody with more insight in licencing procedures
> > that would be very helpful.
> > 
> > Thanks a lot
> > 
> > Felix
> 
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)


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[Legal] Licensing issues in newer jetty?

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
Hello legal team,

I forward a legal concern about JettyPlus. Please see the following mail
and the background thread for more information
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lenya-dev&w=2&r=1&s=Licensing+issues&q=b

Thanks in advance for some advice.

salu2
thorsten

El mar, 03-01-2006 a las 10:02 +0100, Felix Röthenbacher escribió:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> > Felix Röthenbacher wrote:
> > 
> >> What about using Maven for Lenya and download the dependencies if 
> >> required?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I found (again) the work in progress decribing the licenses compatibility:
> > 
> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues
> > 
> > Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Hi Antonio
> 
> Thanks for investigating this licence issue. I did a short review of the
> license granted by Sun for Java Mail and JavaBean Activation Framework
> and want to quote short excerpts from the license which seems relevant
> to me for discussion:
> 
> ----
> 
> JavaMail 1.3.3:
> 
> 6. Java Compatibility and Open Source.
> 
> Software may contain Java technology. You may not
> create additional classes to, or modifications of, the
> Java technology, except under compatibility
> requirements available under a separate agreement
> available at www.java.net.
> 
> Sun supports and benefits from the global community of
> open source developers, and thanks the community for
> its important contributions and open standards-based
> technology, which Sun has adopted into many of its
> products.
> 
> Please note that portions of Software may be provided
> with notices and open source licenses from such
> communities and third parties that govern the use of
> those portions, and any licenses granted hereunder do
> not alter any rights and obligations you may have
> under such open source licenses, however, the
> disclaimer of warranty and limitation of liability
> provisions in this Agreement will apply to all
> Software in this distribution.
> 
> ----
> 
> JavaBean Activation Framework 1.0.2:
> 
>     1. Software Internal Use and Development License
>     Grant.  Subject to the terms and conditions of
>     this Agreement, including, but not limited to
>     Section 3 (Java(TM) Technology Restrictions) of
>     these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a
>     non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
>     to reproduce internally and use internally the
>     binary form of the Software, complete and
>     unmodified, for the sole purpose of designing,
>     developing and testing your Java applets and
>     applications ("Programs").
> 
>     2. License to Distribute Software.  In addition to
>     the license granted in Section 1 (Software
>     Internal Use and Development License Grant) of
>     these Supplemental Terms, subject to the terms and
>     conditions of this Agreement, including but not
>     limited to, Section 3 (Java Technology
>     Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun
>     grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable,
>     limited license to reproduce and distribute the
>     Software in binary code form only, provided that
>     you (i) distribute the Software complete and
>     unmodified and only bundled as part of your
>     Programs, (ii) do not distribute additional
>     software intended to replace any component(s) of
>     the Software, (iii) do not remove or alter any
>     proprietary legends or notices contained in the
>     Software, (iv) only distribute the Software
>     subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's
>     interests consistent with the terms contained in
>     this Agreement, and (v) agree to defend and
>     indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against
>     any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement
>     amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys'
>     fees) incurred in connection with any claim,
>     lawsuit or action by any third party that arises
>     or results from the use or distribution of any and
>     all Programs and/or Software.
> 
> ---
> 
> The link you quoted above states for Sun BCL that
> binaries "maybe" downloadable from Apache. The
> JavaBean Activation Framework is licensed under Sun BCL
> and it would be interesting if the "maybe" means yes for
> JAF. Maybe Sun's contact at the bottom of the license can
> give any further information. I can't see any license
> category for the JavaMail binary though paragraph 6
> states that it is permissible to distribute the binary
> for open-source communities. The question arises if
> this is compatible with the Apache license.
> 
> If you can give any further information or pass this issue
> on to anybody with more insight in licencing procedures
> that would be very helpful.
> 
> Thanks a lot
> 
> Felix

-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)


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Re: [HEADS-UP] Licensing issues in newer jetty?

Posted by Felix Röthenbacher <fe...@wyona.com>.
Antonio Gallardo wrote:
> Felix Röthenbacher wrote:
> 
>> What about using Maven for Lenya and download the dependencies if 
>> required?
> 
> 
> 
> I found (again) the work in progress decribing the licenses compatibility:
> 
> http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/LicenceIssues
> 
> Hope this helps.


Hi Antonio

Thanks for investigating this licence issue. I did a short review of the
license granted by Sun for Java Mail and JavaBean Activation Framework
and want to quote short excerpts from the license which seems relevant
to me for discussion:

----

JavaMail 1.3.3:

6. Java Compatibility and Open Source.

Software may contain Java technology. You may not
create additional classes to, or modifications of, the
Java technology, except under compatibility
requirements available under a separate agreement
available at www.java.net.

Sun supports and benefits from the global community of
open source developers, and thanks the community for
its important contributions and open standards-based
technology, which Sun has adopted into many of its
products.

Please note that portions of Software may be provided
with notices and open source licenses from such
communities and third parties that govern the use of
those portions, and any licenses granted hereunder do
not alter any rights and obligations you may have
under such open source licenses, however, the
disclaimer of warranty and limitation of liability
provisions in this Agreement will apply to all
Software in this distribution.

----

JavaBean Activation Framework 1.0.2:

    1. Software Internal Use and Development License
    Grant.  Subject to the terms and conditions of
    this Agreement, including, but not limited to
    Section 3 (Java(TM) Technology Restrictions) of
    these Supplemental Terms, Sun grants you a
    non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited license
    to reproduce internally and use internally the
    binary form of the Software, complete and
    unmodified, for the sole purpose of designing,
    developing and testing your Java applets and
    applications ("Programs").

    2. License to Distribute Software.  In addition to
    the license granted in Section 1 (Software
    Internal Use and Development License Grant) of
    these Supplemental Terms, subject to the terms and
    conditions of this Agreement, including but not
    limited to, Section 3 (Java Technology
    Restrictions) of these Supplemental Terms, Sun
    grants you a non-exclusive, non-transferable,
    limited license to reproduce and distribute the
    Software in binary code form only, provided that
    you (i) distribute the Software complete and
    unmodified and only bundled as part of your
    Programs, (ii) do not distribute additional
    software intended to replace any component(s) of
    the Software, (iii) do not remove or alter any
    proprietary legends or notices contained in the
    Software, (iv) only distribute the Software
    subject to a license agreement that protects Sun's
    interests consistent with the terms contained in
    this Agreement, and (v) agree to defend and
    indemnify Sun and its licensors from and against
    any damages, costs, liabilities, settlement
    amounts and/or expenses (including attorneys'
    fees) incurred in connection with any claim,
    lawsuit or action by any third party that arises
    or results from the use or distribution of any and
    all Programs and/or Software.

---

The link you quoted above states for Sun BCL that
binaries "maybe" downloadable from Apache. The
JavaBean Activation Framework is licensed under Sun BCL
and it would be interesting if the "maybe" means yes for
JAF. Maybe Sun's contact at the bottom of the license can
give any further information. I can't see any license
category for the JavaMail binary though paragraph 6
states that it is permissible to distribute the binary
for open-source communities. The question arises if
this is compatible with the Apache license.

If you can give any further information or pass this issue
on to anybody with more insight in licencing procedures
that would be very helpful.

Thanks a lot

Felix


> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Antonio Gallardo.
> 

-- 
Felix Röthenbacher                  felix.roethenbacher@wyona.com
Wyona Inc.  -   Open Source Content Management   -   Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com                      http://lenya.apache.org

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