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Next release 7.1?
Hi guys
Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming release
is not just another 7.0.
Any objection?
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>.
+1
El 23 abr. 2016 11:18 a. m., "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rm...@gmail.com>
escribió:
> Hi guys
>
> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming release
> is not just another 7.0.
>
> Any objection?
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
Well, with the additional comment that I still think the moment we release a “TomEE 7” that isn’t Java EE 7 compliant we get a lot of negative feedback around intentionally misleading people.
My gut still says this is very bad.
I’d have preferred to call it TomEE 2. Should we get a TCK and have to redo the guts, that’d be TomEE 3.0.
-David
> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:03 PM, David Blevins <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good thread.
>
> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward to 7.1 based on Tomcat 8.5?
>
> I’d be +1 for that plan.
>
>
> -David
>
>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys
>>
>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming release
>> is not just another 7.0.
>>
>> Any objection?
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Le 25 avr. 2016 04:01, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a écrit :
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a écrit :
> > >
> > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even
releasing
> > a
> > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> >
> > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with the
same
> > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> >
>
> Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5. Are
> you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
directory
> structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here? Its not
> clear.
>
8.5 changed few things bit introduced very big new features and new
configuration. Both should be reflected in a new minor if we respect our
versioning - once again personally I dont care bit need community ack
before moving fwd.
>
> >
> > >
> > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting for it
and
> > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more sense. So
> > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's focused
on
> > EE
> > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > >
> >
> > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but several
> > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against it and
> > prefer to confuse vs break.
> >
>
> How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
>
Typically LATEST will not work anymore which is something enough to -1 any
vote.
>
> >
> > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to promote
M3
> > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> >
> >
> I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to release
> TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the bigger
> question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat 8.5?
>
>
> > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but please
ack
> > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never respects
> > any
> > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess we'll never
> > do.
> >
> > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> >
> > @Alex: wyt about it?
> >
> > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> >
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <david.blevins@gmail.com
>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot more
in
> > your
> > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > >
> > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see
your
> > goal
> > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5 out
> > the
> > > > door.
> > > >
> > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David Blevins
> > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the
same
> > vote.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and
whatever
> > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x
are
> > no
> > > > more
> > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > >
> > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as
only
> > > > topic:
> > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 ->
8.5
> > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I
think
> > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1
> > without
> > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -David
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care
much
> > for
> > > > >> this
> > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x
if
> > you
> > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like
to
> > > > >> release
> > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until
> > > > wednesday
> > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade
> > silent
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last
> > digit.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom
beauty
> > ;)?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones,
> > just
> > > > >> tried
> > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I
asked
> > about
> > > > >> 7.x
> > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com>
a
> > > > >> écrit :
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move
forward
> > to
> > > > 7.1
> > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -David
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show
> > coming
> > > > >>>> release
> > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
>
> Anything else would suggest this is a release, and it's not.
Can you explain a bit more this please?
What do you mean "it's not"?
The build is currently green and stable.
Users feedback is good.
We do follow Apache rules in terms of quality, licensing and any other
legal.
We don't have any snapshot dependency as far as I know.
I have the feeling this statement is related to the TCK note I added,
that's why I am asking.
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>
wrote:
> I get the 7.1 idea, but think we should just continue down the milestone
> path until we have a release. 7.0.0-Mx. Anything else would suggest this is
> a release, and it's not.
>
> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> On 25 Apr 2016 11:20, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My 2 cts
> >
> > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> >
> > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> HTTP/2
> > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> >
> > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> master
> > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> >
> > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
> but
> > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
> >
> > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple
> of
> > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
> 8.x
> > (x >= 5).
> >
> > So my view is
> >
> > Option 1/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> > *or*
> >
> > Option 2/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > +
> > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> >
> > *Side note*: we don't have any Java EE 7 TCK yet and I don't expect it to
> > happen anytime soon.
> > So even if not certified, I'd still go with a final release (non
> certified)
> > of TomEE
> >
> > Jean-Louis
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on TomEE to
> > get
> > > the JEE 7 certification.
> > > And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to be
> JEE 7
> > > conform, so in
> > > my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before 7.0
> is
> > > JEE 7.
> > > They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the minor
> > version
> > > number.
> > >
> > > Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if I
> can
> > > get into discussion with the customer.
> > > The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that are
> > scared
> > > of before you get a chance to talk to them.
> > >
> > > mf
> > >
> > > 2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a écrit
> :
> > > > >
> > > > > A user's opinion here.
> > > > > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I
> go.
> > > > > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a
> big
> > > need
> > > > > of explenaiton.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how
> people
> > > > percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they
> ask
> > us
> > > > to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
> > > >
> > > > > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> > > >
> > > > > mf
> > > > >
> > > > > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>
> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without
> even
> > > > > > releasing
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally
> with
> > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat
> 8.5.
> > > > Are
> > > > > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
> > > > directory
> > > > > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here?
> > Its
> > > > not
> > > > > > clear.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if
> waiting
> > > for
> > > > it
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more
> > > sense.
> > > > So
> > > > > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's
> > > > focused
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > EE
> > > > > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok
> but
> > > > several
> > > > > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm
> against
> > it
> > > > and
> > > > > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to
> > > > promote M3
> > > > > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to
> > > release
> > > > > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe
> the
> > > > bigger
> > > > > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat
> > > 8.5?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it
> but
> > > > please
> > > > > > ack
> > > > > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > > > > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never
> > > > respects
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess
> > we'll
> > > > never
> > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a
> lot
> > > > more in
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But
> I
> > > see
> > > > your
> > > > > > > goal
> > > > > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of
> Tomcat
> > > 8.5
> > > > out
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > door.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer)
> in
> > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is
> and
> > > > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x
> and
> > > 3.x
> > > > are
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which
> has
> > > as
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next
> one.
> > > > > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat
> > 8.0
> > > > ->
> > > > > > 8.5
> > > > > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is
> > > highjacking. I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on
> to
> > > 7.1
> > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I
> dont
> > > care
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on
> next
> > > > 7.0.x
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and
> I
> > d
> > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to
> wait
> > > > until
> > > > > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important
> > > > upgrade
> > > > > > > silent
> > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more
> than a
> > > > last
> > > > > > > digit.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the
> > palimdrom
> > > > > > beauty
> > > > > > > ;)?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these
> > coming
> > > > ones,
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and
> > why I
> > > > asked
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and
> > move
> > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1
> to
> > > show
> > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>.
I get the 7.1 idea, but think we should just continue down the milestone
path until we have a release. 7.0.0-Mx. Anything else would suggest this is
a release, and it's not.
http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
On 25 Apr 2016 11:20, "Jean-Louis Monteiro" <jl...@tomitribe.com>
wrote:
> My 2 cts
>
> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>
> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature HTTP/2
> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>
> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the master
> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>
> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version, but
> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>
> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple of
> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x
> (x >= 5).
>
> So my view is
>
> Option 1/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
> *or*
>
> Option 2/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> +
> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
>
> *Side note*: we don't have any Java EE 7 TCK yet and I don't expect it to
> happen anytime soon.
> So even if not certified, I'd still go with a final release (non certified)
> of TomEE
>
> Jean-Louis
>
>
> --
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on TomEE to
> get
> > the JEE 7 certification.
> > And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to be JEE 7
> > conform, so in
> > my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before 7.0 is
> > JEE 7.
> > They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the minor
> version
> > number.
> >
> > Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if I can
> > get into discussion with the customer.
> > The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that are
> scared
> > of before you get a chance to talk to them.
> >
> > mf
> >
> > 2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > A user's opinion here.
> > > > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I go.
> > > > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a big
> > need
> > > > of explenaiton.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how people
> > > percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they ask
> us
> > > to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
> > >
> > > > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> > >
> > > > mf
> > > >
> > > > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a
> > > écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even
> > > > > releasing
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with
> > the
> > > same
> > > > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5.
> > > Are
> > > > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
> > > directory
> > > > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here?
> Its
> > > not
> > > > > clear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting
> > for
> > > it
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more
> > sense.
> > > So
> > > > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's
> > > focused
> > > > > on
> > > > > > EE
> > > > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but
> > > several
> > > > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against
> it
> > > and
> > > > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to
> > > promote M3
> > > > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to
> > release
> > > > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the
> > > bigger
> > > > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat
> > 8.5?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but
> > > please
> > > > > ack
> > > > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > > > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never
> > > respects
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess
> we'll
> > > never
> > > > > > do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> > > david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot
> > > more in
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I
> > see
> > > your
> > > > > > goal
> > > > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat
> > 8.5
> > > out
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > door.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in
> > the
> > > same
> > > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and
> > > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and
> > 3.x
> > > are
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has
> > as
> > > only
> > > > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > a
> > > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat
> 8.0
> > > ->
> > > > > 8.5
> > > > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is
> > highjacking. I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to
> > 7.1
> > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont
> > care
> > > > > much
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next
> > > 7.0.x
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I
> d
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait
> > > until
> > > > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important
> > > upgrade
> > > > > > silent
> > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a
> > > last
> > > > > > digit.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the
> palimdrom
> > > > > beauty
> > > > > > ;)?
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these
> coming
> > > ones,
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and
> why I
> > > asked
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and
> move
> > > > > forward
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to
> > show
> > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
>
> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
+1
On the milestone one, I feel good in doing the 7.0.0 final.
No more milestones.
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>
wrote:
> I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx path.
> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
>
> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
> jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>
> > My 2 cts
> >
> > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> >
>
> +1
>
> My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will look
> for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>
>
> >
> > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> HTTP/2
> > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> >
>
> +1
>
>
> >
> > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> master
> > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> >
>
> + 1
>
>
> >
> > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
> but
> > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
> >
> > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple
> of
> > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
> 8.x
> > (x >= 5).
> >
> > So my view is
> >
> > Option 1/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
>
> I don't have any objection to that.
>
>
>
> >
> > *or*
> >
> > Option 2/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > +
> > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> >
> I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
> (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in the
> box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
> seems confusing to me.
>
> If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
> releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
> 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
>
> Jon
>
> --
> Jonathan Gallimore
> http://twitter.com/jongallimore
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
+1 as well for that
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>
wrote:
> +1 for 7.0.0, with a proper write up of what to expect from it.
>
> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> On 25 Apr 2016 14:24, "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > well we never said we'll align JavaEE 7 with TomEE 7 - made it clear in
> > http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Versioning-help-td4677842.html
> > at
> > least and probably another thread - so it is milestone until we judged we
> > want a final.
> >
> >
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
> > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
> > https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
> > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
> > <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
> > <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
> >
> > 2016-04-25 14:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>:
> >
> > > I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx
> > path.
> > > 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
> > >
> > > http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> > > On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
> > > jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > My 2 cts
> > > >
> > > > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > > > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> > > >
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will
> > look
> > > for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> > > HTTP/2
> > > > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > > > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> > > >
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> > > master
> > > > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> > > >
> > >
> > > + 1
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of
> version,
> > > but
> > > > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE
> 7.0.0.
> > > >
> > > > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > > > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a
> > couple
> > > of
> > > > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with
> Tomcat
> > > 8.x
> > > > (x >= 5).
> > > >
> > > > So my view is
> > > >
> > > > Option 1/
> > > > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't have any objection to that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > *or*
> > > >
> > > > Option 2/
> > > > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > > > +
> > > > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
> > > (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in
> > the
> > > box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version
> number
> > > seems confusing to me.
> > >
> > > If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
> > > releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for
> TomEE
> > > 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jonathan Gallimore
> > > http://twitter.com/jongallimore
> > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > >
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
> On Apr 27, 2016, at 3:42 AM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID> wrote:
>
> JavaEE certification is not worth much anymore.
I assume this your opinion… not a fact? Do you have info to back that statement up?
I won’t argue that I believe (yes my opinion) that Java EE is waning… but I’m not sure going as far as saying its not worth much any more is a fact.
> Recently I learned that another big customer shipped their EE server for 5 years without passing the Sun TCK and still claimed to be a ‚compliant EE server’.
Interesting… they claimed it “compliant” and no mention of certified. That seems like lawsuit bait to me. Name of server/company that made that claim? I would be interested to know whose legal let that one slip.
> We don’t claim anything and just say that we implement the EE7 APIs. That’s all. At the end TomEE is measured by how stable it runs and how good the support and community around it is.
>
-1. Be up front and forth-right with the community. Honestly is always the best policy.
Jeff
> IF we finally get the TCK then it’s fine as well of course.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>> Am 26.04.2016 um 23:25 schrieb David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Regarding documentation, I’d add further that I’d want to see these write-ups in-hand before we start rolling votes. Some items to add to the list:
>>
>> - What is the current status of the various distributions in terms of compliance
>> - Tested step-by-step instructions specifically for 7 on how to wire in Hibernate
>> - People will want to know our plans for eventually becoming certified. We will need to have a project-agreed statement issued with the release.
>>
>> I think we need to put some polish on our state and be as professional as possible in efforts to curve confusion or blowback from having a TomEE 7 release that is not EE 7 certified and in some cases not EE 7 compliant.
>>
>> Users get quite angry when they feel they had to discover something for themselves and weren’t told outright. When they ask on the mailing list and get essentially an “of course that doesn’t work” as an answer, it’s no good; one part insulting and two parts infuriating :)
>>
>> Some extra effort here will go a long way.
>>
>> Regarding Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5 upgrade concerns:
>>
>> - I think the original concern of potential issues is valid to the extent it might be in our best interest to push out an M4 immediately with Tomcat 8.5. We could have that out there while we prepare for a GA. GA is less technical and more about communication. We haven’t started the communication efforts. We could let users try out Tomcat 8.5 in that time.
>>
>>
>> --
>> David Blevins
>> http://twitter.com/dblevins
>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for 7.0.0, with a proper write up of what to expect from it.
>>>
>>> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
>>> On 25 Apr 2016 14:24, "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> well we never said we'll align JavaEE 7 with TomEE 7 - made it clear in
>>>> http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Versioning-help-td4677842.html
>>>> at
>>>> least and probably another thread - so it is milestone until we judged we
>>>> want a final.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
>>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
>>>> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
>>>> <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
>>>> <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
>>>>
>>>> 2016-04-25 14:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx
>>>> path.
>>>>> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
>>>>> On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
>>>>> jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My 2 cts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
>>>>>> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will
>>>> look
>>>>> for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
>>>>> HTTP/2
>>>>>> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
>>>>>> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
>>>>> master
>>>>>> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> + 1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
>>>>> but
>>>>>> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
>>>>>> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a
>>>> couple
>>>>> of
>>>>>> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
>>>>> 8.x
>>>>>> (x >= 5).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So my view is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Option 1/
>>>>>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have any objection to that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *or*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Option 2/
>>>>>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
>>>>>> +
>>>>>> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
>>>>> (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in
>>>> the
>>>>> box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
>>>>> seems confusing to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
>>>>> releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
>>>>> 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jon
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jonathan Gallimore
>>>>> http://twitter.com/jongallimore
>>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de.INVALID>.
JavaEE certification is not worth much anymore.
Recently I learned that another big customer shipped their EE server for 5 years without passing the Sun TCK and still claimed to be a ‚compliant EE server‘.
We don’t claim anything and just say that we implement the EE7 APIs. That’s all. At the end TomEE is measured by how stable it runs and how good the support and community around it is.
IF we finally get the TCK then it’s fine as well of course.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 26.04.2016 um 23:25 schrieb David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>:
>
> Regarding documentation, I’d add further that I’d want to see these write-ups in-hand before we start rolling votes. Some items to add to the list:
>
> - What is the current status of the various distributions in terms of compliance
> - Tested step-by-step instructions specifically for 7 on how to wire in Hibernate
> - People will want to know our plans for eventually becoming certified. We will need to have a project-agreed statement issued with the release.
>
> I think we need to put some polish on our state and be as professional as possible in efforts to curve confusion or blowback from having a TomEE 7 release that is not EE 7 certified and in some cases not EE 7 compliant.
>
> Users get quite angry when they feel they had to discover something for themselves and weren’t told outright. When they ask on the mailing list and get essentially an “of course that doesn’t work” as an answer, it’s no good; one part insulting and two parts infuriating :)
>
> Some extra effort here will go a long way.
>
> Regarding Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5 upgrade concerns:
>
> - I think the original concern of potential issues is valid to the extent it might be in our best interest to push out an M4 immediately with Tomcat 8.5. We could have that out there while we prepare for a GA. GA is less technical and more about communication. We haven’t started the communication efforts. We could let users try out Tomcat 8.5 in that time.
>
>
> --
> David Blevins
> http://twitter.com/dblevins
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
>> On Apr 25, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1 for 7.0.0, with a proper write up of what to expect from it.
>>
>> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
>> On 25 Apr 2016 14:24, "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> well we never said we'll align JavaEE 7 with TomEE 7 - made it clear in
>>> http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Versioning-help-td4677842.html
>>> at
>>> least and probably another thread - so it is milestone until we judged we
>>> want a final.
>>>
>>>
>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
>>> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
>>> <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
>>> <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
>>>
>>> 2016-04-25 14:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>:
>>>
>>>> I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx
>>> path.
>>>> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
>>>> On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
>>>> jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My 2 cts
>>>>>
>>>>> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
>>>>> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will
>>> look
>>>> for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
>>>> HTTP/2
>>>>> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
>>>>> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
>>>> master
>>>>> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> + 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
>>>> but
>>>>> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
>>>>> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a
>>> couple
>>>> of
>>>>> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
>>>> 8.x
>>>>> (x >= 5).
>>>>>
>>>>> So my view is
>>>>>
>>>>> Option 1/
>>>>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't have any objection to that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *or*
>>>>>
>>>>> Option 2/
>>>>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
>>>>> +
>>>>> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
>>>> (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in
>>> the
>>>> box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
>>>> seems confusing to me.
>>>>
>>>> If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
>>>> releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
>>>> 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
>>>>
>>>> Jon
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jonathan Gallimore
>>>> http://twitter.com/jongallimore
>>>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>>>>
>>>
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
Regarding documentation, I’d add further that I’d want to see these write-ups in-hand before we start rolling votes. Some items to add to the list:
- What is the current status of the various distributions in terms of compliance
- Tested step-by-step instructions specifically for 7 on how to wire in Hibernate
- People will want to know our plans for eventually becoming certified. We will need to have a project-agreed statement issued with the release.
I think we need to put some polish on our state and be as professional as possible in efforts to curve confusion or blowback from having a TomEE 7 release that is not EE 7 certified and in some cases not EE 7 compliant.
Users get quite angry when they feel they had to discover something for themselves and weren’t told outright. When they ask on the mailing list and get essentially an “of course that doesn’t work” as an answer, it’s no good; one part insulting and two parts infuriating :)
Some extra effort here will go a long way.
Regarding Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5 upgrade concerns:
- I think the original concern of potential issues is valid to the extent it might be in our best interest to push out an M4 immediately with Tomcat 8.5. We could have that out there while we prepare for a GA. GA is less technical and more about communication. We haven’t started the communication efforts. We could let users try out Tomcat 8.5 in that time.
--
David Blevins
http://twitter.com/dblevins
http://www.tomitribe.com
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 5:27 AM, Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>
> +1 for 7.0.0, with a proper write up of what to expect from it.
>
> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> On 25 Apr 2016 14:24, "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> well we never said we'll align JavaEE 7 with TomEE 7 - made it clear in
>> http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Versioning-help-td4677842.html
>> at
>> least and probably another thread - so it is milestone until we judged we
>> want a final.
>>
>>
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
>> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
>> <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
>> <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
>>
>> 2016-04-25 14:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>:
>>
>>> I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx
>> path.
>>> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
>>>
>>> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
>>> On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
>>> jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My 2 cts
>>>>
>>>> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
>>>> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will
>> look
>>> for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
>>> HTTP/2
>>>> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
>>>> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
>>> master
>>>> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>>>>
>>>
>>> + 1
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
>>> but
>>>> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>>>>
>>>> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
>>>> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a
>> couple
>>> of
>>>> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
>>> 8.x
>>>> (x >= 5).
>>>>
>>>> So my view is
>>>>
>>>> Option 1/
>>>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't have any objection to that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> *or*
>>>>
>>>> Option 2/
>>>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
>>>> +
>>>> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
>>> (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in
>> the
>>> box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
>>> seems confusing to me.
>>>
>>> If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
>>> releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
>>> 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jonathan Gallimore
>>> http://twitter.com/jongallimore
>>> http://www.tomitribe.com
>>>
>>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>.
+1 for 7.0.0, with a proper write up of what to expect from it.
http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
On 25 Apr 2016 14:24, "Romain Manni-Bucau" <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> well we never said we'll align JavaEE 7 with TomEE 7 - made it clear in
> http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Versioning-help-td4677842.html
> at
> least and probably another thread - so it is milestone until we judged we
> want a final.
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
> <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
> <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
>
> 2016-04-25 14:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>:
>
> > I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx
> path.
> > 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
> >
> > http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> > On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
> > jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
> >
> > > My 2 cts
> > >
> > > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> > >
> >
> > +1
> >
> > My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will
> look
> > for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> > HTTP/2
> > > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> > >
> >
> > +1
> >
> >
> > >
> > > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> > master
> > > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> > >
> >
> > + 1
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
> > but
> > > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
> > >
> > > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a
> couple
> > of
> > > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
> > 8.x
> > > (x >= 5).
> > >
> > > So my view is
> > >
> > > Option 1/
> > > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> > >
> >
> > I don't have any objection to that.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > *or*
> > >
> > > Option 2/
> > > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > > +
> > > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> > >
> > >
> > I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
> > (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in
> the
> > box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
> > seems confusing to me.
> >
> > If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
> > releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
> > 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Gallimore
> > http://twitter.com/jongallimore
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
well we never said we'll align JavaEE 7 with TomEE 7 - made it clear in
http://tomee-openejb.979440.n4.nabble.com/Versioning-help-td4677842.html at
least and probably another thread - so it is milestone until we judged we
want a final.
Romain Manni-Bucau
@rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
<http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
<http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
<https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
2016-04-25 14:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>:
> I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx path.
> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
>
> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
> jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>
> > My 2 cts
> >
> > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> >
>
> +1
>
> My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will look
> for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>
>
> >
> > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> HTTP/2
> > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> >
>
> +1
>
>
> >
> > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> master
> > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> >
>
> + 1
>
>
> >
> > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
> but
> > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
> >
> > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple
> of
> > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
> 8.x
> > (x >= 5).
> >
> > So my view is
> >
> > Option 1/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
>
> I don't have any objection to that.
>
>
>
> >
> > *or*
> >
> > Option 2/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > +
> > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> >
> I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
> (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in the
> box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
> seems confusing to me.
>
> If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
> releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
> 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
>
> Jon
>
> --
> Jonathan Gallimore
> http://twitter.com/jongallimore
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Gurkan Erdogdu <ge...@managecat.com>.
> I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx path.
> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
+1
Best
Gurkan
> On 25 Apr 2016, at 15:22, Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>
> I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx path.
> 7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
>
> http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
> On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
> jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
>
>> My 2 cts
>>
>> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
>> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>>
>
> +1
>
> My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will look
> for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>
>
>>
>> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature HTTP/2
>> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
>> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>>
>
> +1
>
>
>>
>> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> master
>> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>>
>
> + 1
>
>
>>
>> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
> but
>> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>>
>> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
>> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple
> of
>> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
> 8.x
>> (x >= 5).
>>
>> So my view is
>>
>> Option 1/
>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>
>
> I don't have any objection to that.
>
>
>
>>
>> *or*
>>
>> Option 2/
>> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
>> +
>> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>>
>>
> I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
> (webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in the
> box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
> seems confusing to me.
>
> If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
> releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
> 7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
>
> Jon
>
> --
> Jonathan Gallimore
> http://twitter.com/jongallimore
> http://www.tomitribe.com
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Andy Gumbrecht <ag...@tomitribe.com>.
I mean, it's still a milestone. So should just carry on the 7.0.0-Mx path.
7.1.0 can't really exist until 7.0.0 is released?
http://www.tomitribe.com - @AndyGeeDe - On a small screen device.
On 25 Apr 2016 13:47, "Jonathan Gallimore" <jg...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
> My 2 cts
>
> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>
+1
My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will look
for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>
> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature HTTP/2
> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>
+1
>
> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
master
> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>
+ 1
>
> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
but
> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>
> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple
of
> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
8.x
> (x >= 5).
>
> So my view is
>
> Option 1/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
I don't have any objection to that.
>
> *or*
>
> Option 2/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> +
> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
>
I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
(webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in the
box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
seems confusing to me.
If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
Jon
--
Jonathan Gallimore
http://twitter.com/jongallimore
http://www.tomitribe.com
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jonathan Gallimore <jg...@tomitribe.com>.
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Jean-Louis Monteiro <
jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com> wrote:
> My 2 cts
>
> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>
+1
My personal opinion is that in seeing a jump to a 7.1.M1, people will look
for a 7.0 GA, and be confused because its missing. I know I would be.
>
> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature HTTP/2
> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>
+1
>
> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the master
> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>
+ 1
>
> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version, but
> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>
> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple of
> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x
> (x >= 5).
>
> So my view is
>
> Option 1/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
I don't have any objection to that.
>
> *or*
>
> Option 2/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> +
> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
>
I think this is confusing - we already have the concept of "flavours"
(webprofile, jaxrs, plus, plume) which determine what features are "in the
box". Mixing in whether or not you get HTTP/2 in with the version number
seems confusing to me.
If Tomcat 8.5 is fully backwards compatible with previous Tomcat 8.x
releases (and I note that JL says it is above), I see no reason for TomEE
7.0.0.M4 onwards to use that, and include HTTP/2 support.
Jon
--
Jonathan Gallimore
http://twitter.com/jongallimore
http://www.tomitribe.com
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Alex Soto <as...@gmail.com>.
Option 1 looks good to me.
El dl., 25 abr. 2016 a les 11:23, Jean-Louis Monteiro (<
jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com>) va escriure:
> Works for me
>
> --
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Anyone against option 1?
> >
> >
> > Romain Manni-Bucau
> > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
> > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
> > https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
> > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
> > <http://www.tomitribe.com> | JavaEE Factory
> > <https://javaeefactory-rmannibucau.rhcloud.com>
> >
> > 2016-04-25 11:20 GMT+02:00 Jean-Louis Monteiro <jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com
> >:
> >
> > > My 2 cts
> > >
> > > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> > >
> > > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> > HTTP/2
> > > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> > >
> > > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> > master
> > > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> > >
> > > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
> > but
> > > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
> > >
> > > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a
> couple
> > of
> > > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
> > 8.x
> > > (x >= 5).
> > >
> > > So my view is
> > >
> > > Option 1/
> > > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> > >
> > > *or*
> > >
> > > Option 2/
> > > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > > +
> > > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> > >
> > >
> > > *Side note*: we don't have any Java EE 7 TCK yet and I don't expect it
> to
> > > happen anytime soon.
> > > So even if not certified, I'd still go with a final release (non
> > certified)
> > > of TomEE
> > >
> > > Jean-Louis
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on TomEE
> to
> > > get
> > > > the JEE 7 certification.
> > > > And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to be
> > JEE 7
> > > > conform, so in
> > > > my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before 7.0
> > is
> > > > JEE 7.
> > > > They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the minor
> > > version
> > > > number.
> > > >
> > > > Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if I
> > can
> > > > get into discussion with the customer.
> > > > The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that are
> > > scared
> > > > of before you get a chance to talk to them.
> > > >
> > > > mf
> > > >
> > > > 2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >:
> > > >
> > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a
> écrit
> > :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A user's opinion here.
> > > > > > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I
> > go.
> > > > > > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a
> > big
> > > > need
> > > > > > of explenaiton.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how
> > people
> > > > > percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they
> > ask
> > > us
> > > > > to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7
> compliant.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> > > > >
> > > > > > mf
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <
> johndament@apache.org>
> > a
> > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without
> > even
> > > > > > > releasing
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat
> > 8.5.
> > > > > Are
> > > > > > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a
> different
> > > > > directory
> > > > > > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue
> here?
> > > Its
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > clear.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if
> > waiting
> > > > for
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more
> > > > sense.
> > > > > So
> > > > > > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2
> that's
> > > > > focused
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > EE
> > > > > > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok
> > but
> > > > > several
> > > > > > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm
> > against
> > > it
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy
> to
> > > > > promote M3
> > > > > > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to
> > > > release
> > > > > > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe
> > the
> > > > > bigger
> > > > > > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on
> Tomcat
> > > > 8.5?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it
> > but
> > > > > please
> > > > > > > ack
> > > > > > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > > > > > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we
> never
> > > > > respects
> > > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess
> > > we'll
> > > > > never
> > > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> > > > > david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a
> > lot
> > > > > more in
> > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions.
> But
> > I
> > > > see
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > > goal
> > > > > > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of
> > Tomcat
> > > > 8.5
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > door.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer)
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > same
> > > > > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is
> > and
> > > > > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x
> > and
> > > > 3.x
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which
> > has
> > > > as
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next
> > one.
> > > > > > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> > > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a
> Tomcat
> > > 8.0
> > > > > ->
> > > > > > > 8.5
> > > > > > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is
> > > > highjacking. I
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on
> > to
> > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I
> > dont
> > > > care
> > > > > > > much
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on
> > next
> > > > > 7.0.x
> > > > > > > if
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks
> and
> > I
> > > d
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to
> > wait
> > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this
> important
> > > > > upgrade
> > > > > > > > silent
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more
> > than a
> > > > > last
> > > > > > > > digit.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the
> > > palimdrom
> > > > > > > beauty
> > > > > > > > ;)?
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these
> > > coming
> > > > > ones,
> > > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and
> > > why I
> > > > > asked
> > > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> > > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and
> > > move
> > > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1
> > to
> > > > show
> > > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
RE: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Yann BLAZART <ya...@externe.bnpparibas.com>.
Hello,
Just 2 cents of users that want to deliver app based on TomEE 7 in production.
Option 1 is great for us.
No real problems detected on M3 or even SNAPSHOT on all my unit and integration tests.
We don't care of TCK (for us it's not important, other EE "certified" servers have lot of specificities)
Regards.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Louis Monteiro [mailto:jlmonteiro@tomitribe.com]
Sent: lundi 25 avril 2016 11:23
To: dev@tomee.apache.org
Subject: Re: Next release 7.1?
Works for me
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Anyone against option 1?
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog
> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
> https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
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>
> 2016-04-25 11:20 GMT+02:00 Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>:
>
> > My 2 cts
> >
> > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> >
> > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> HTTP/2
> > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> >
> > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> master
> > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> >
> > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of
> > version,
> but
> > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
> >
> > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a
> > couple
> of
> > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with
> > Tomcat
> 8.x
> > (x >= 5).
> >
> > So my view is
> >
> > Option 1/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> > *or*
> >
> > Option 2/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > +
> > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> >
> > *Side note*: we don't have any Java EE 7 TCK yet and I don't expect
> > it to happen anytime soon.
> > So even if not certified, I'd still go with a final release (non
> certified)
> > of TomEE
> >
> > Jean-Louis
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on
> > > TomEE to
> > get
> > > the JEE 7 certification.
> > > And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to
> > > be
> JEE 7
> > > conform, so in
> > > my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before
> > > 7.0
> is
> > > JEE 7.
> > > They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the
> > > minor
> > version
> > > number.
> > >
> > > Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if
> > > I
> can
> > > get into discussion with the customer.
> > > The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that
> > > are
> > scared
> > > of before you get a chance to talk to them.
> > >
> > > mf
> > >
> > > 2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a
> > > > écrit
> :
> > > > >
> > > > > A user's opinion here.
> > > > > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical
> > > > > whereever I
> go.
> > > > > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to
> > > > > a
> big
> > > need
> > > > > of explenaiton.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how
> people
> > > > percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now
> > > > they
> ask
> > us
> > > > to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something
> > > > ;)
> > > >
> > > > > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> > > >
> > > > > mf
> > > > >
> > > > > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament"
> > > > > > > <jo...@apache.org>
> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately
> > > > > > > > without
> even
> > > > > > releasing
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes
> > > > > > > structurally
> with
> > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried
> > > > > > tomcat
> 8.5.
> > > > Are
> > > > > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a
> > > > > > different
> > > > directory
> > > > > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here?
> > Its
> > > > not
> > > > > > clear.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if
> waiting
> > > for
> > > > it
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make
> > > > > > > > more
> > > sense.
> > > > So
> > > > > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2
> > > > > > > > that's
> > > > focused
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > EE
> > > > > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is
> > > > > > > ok
> but
> > > > several
> > > > > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm
> against
> > it
> > > > and
> > > > > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m
> > > > > > > happy to
> > > > promote M3
> > > > > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there
> > > > > > to
> > > release
> > > > > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now.
> > > > > > Maybe
> the
> > > > bigger
> > > > > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on
> > > > > > Tomcat
> > > 8.5?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with
> > > > > > > it
> but
> > > > please
> > > > > > ack
> > > > > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the
> > > > > > > page http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html -
> > > > > > > we never
> > > > respects
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I
> > > > > > > guess
> > we'll
> > > > never
> > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence
> > > > > > > > > communicated a
> lot
> > > > more in
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions.
> > > > > > > > > But
> I
> > > see
> > > > your
> > > > > > > goal
> > > > > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of
> Tomcat
> > > 8.5
> > > > out
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > door.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you
> > > > > > > > > > prefer)
> in
> > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status
> > > > > > > > > > is
> and
> > > > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance (
> > > > > > > > > > 2.x
> and
> > > 3.x
> > > > are
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread
> > > > > > > > > > which
> has
> > > as
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or
> > > > > > > > > > next
> one.
> > > > > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a
> > > > > > > > > >> Tomcat
> > 8.0
> > > > ->
> > > > > > 8.5
> > > > > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is
> > > highjacking. I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move
> > > > > > > > > >> on
> to
> > > 7.1
> > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master -
> > > > > > > > > >>> I
> dont
> > > care
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread
> > > > > > > > > >>> on
> next
> > > > 7.0.x
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks
> > > > > > > > > >>> and
> I
> > d
> > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning
> > > > > > > > > >>> to
> wait
> > > > until
> > > > > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this
> > > > > > > > > >>> important
> > > > upgrade
> > > > > > > silent
> > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more
> than a
> > > > last
> > > > > > > digit.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the
> > palimdrom
> > > > > > beauty
> > > > > > > ;)?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on
> > > > > > > > > >>> these
> > coming
> > > > ones,
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal
> > > > > > > > > >>> and
> > why I
> > > > asked
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is
> > > > > > > > > >>>> and
> > move
> > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> <
> > > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> 7.1
> to
> > > show
> > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
Works for me
--
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http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Anyone against option 1?
>
>
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> 2016-04-25 11:20 GMT+02:00 Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>:
>
> > My 2 cts
> >
> > We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> > expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
> >
> > Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature
> HTTP/2
> > we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> > compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
> >
> > So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the
> master
> > and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
> >
> > I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version,
> but
> > having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
> >
> > If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> > versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple
> of
> > bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat
> 8.x
> > (x >= 5).
> >
> > So my view is
> >
> > Option 1/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> > *or*
> >
> > Option 2/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> > +
> > TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
> >
> >
> > *Side note*: we don't have any Java EE 7 TCK yet and I don't expect it to
> > happen anytime soon.
> > So even if not certified, I'd still go with a final release (non
> certified)
> > of TomEE
> >
> > Jean-Louis
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jean-Louis Monteiro
> > http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on TomEE to
> > get
> > > the JEE 7 certification.
> > > And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to be
> JEE 7
> > > conform, so in
> > > my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before 7.0
> is
> > > JEE 7.
> > > They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the minor
> > version
> > > number.
> > >
> > > Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if I
> can
> > > get into discussion with the customer.
> > > The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that are
> > scared
> > > of before you get a chance to talk to them.
> > >
> > > mf
> > >
> > > 2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a écrit
> :
> > > > >
> > > > > A user's opinion here.
> > > > > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I
> go.
> > > > > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a
> big
> > > need
> > > > > of explenaiton.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how
> people
> > > > percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they
> ask
> > us
> > > > to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
> > > >
> > > > > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> > > >
> > > > > mf
> > > > >
> > > > > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>
> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without
> even
> > > > > > releasing
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally
> with
> > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat
> 8.5.
> > > > Are
> > > > > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
> > > > directory
> > > > > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here?
> > Its
> > > > not
> > > > > > clear.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if
> waiting
> > > for
> > > > it
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more
> > > sense.
> > > > So
> > > > > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's
> > > > focused
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > EE
> > > > > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok
> but
> > > > several
> > > > > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm
> against
> > it
> > > > and
> > > > > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to
> > > > promote M3
> > > > > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to
> > > release
> > > > > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe
> the
> > > > bigger
> > > > > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat
> > > 8.5?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it
> but
> > > > please
> > > > > > ack
> > > > > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > > > > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never
> > > > respects
> > > > > > > any
> > > > > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess
> > we'll
> > > > never
> > > > > > > do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a
> lot
> > > > more in
> > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But
> I
> > > see
> > > > your
> > > > > > > goal
> > > > > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of
> Tomcat
> > > 8.5
> > > > out
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > door.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer)
> in
> > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is
> and
> > > > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x
> and
> > > 3.x
> > > > are
> > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which
> has
> > > as
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next
> one.
> > > > > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat
> > 8.0
> > > > ->
> > > > > > 8.5
> > > > > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is
> > > highjacking. I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on
> to
> > > 7.1
> > > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I
> dont
> > > care
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on
> next
> > > > 7.0.x
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and
> I
> > d
> > > > like
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to
> wait
> > > > until
> > > > > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important
> > > > upgrade
> > > > > > > silent
> > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more
> than a
> > > > last
> > > > > > > digit.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the
> > palimdrom
> > > > > > beauty
> > > > > > > ;)?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these
> > coming
> > > > ones,
> > > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and
> > why I
> > > > asked
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> > > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and
> > move
> > > > > > forward
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1
> to
> > > show
> > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Anyone against option 1?
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2016-04-25 11:20 GMT+02:00 Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>:
> My 2 cts
>
> We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
> expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
>
> Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature HTTP/2
> we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
> compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
>
> So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the master
> and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
>
> I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version, but
> having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
>
> If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
> versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple of
> bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x
> (x >= 5).
>
> So my view is
>
> Option 1/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
> *or*
>
> Option 2/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
> +
> TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
>
> *Side note*: we don't have any Java EE 7 TCK yet and I don't expect it to
> happen anytime soon.
> So even if not certified, I'd still go with a final release (non certified)
> of TomEE
>
> Jean-Louis
>
>
> --
> Jean-Louis Monteiro
> http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on TomEE to
> get
> > the JEE 7 certification.
> > And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to be JEE 7
> > conform, so in
> > my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before 7.0 is
> > JEE 7.
> > They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the minor
> version
> > number.
> >
> > Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if I can
> > get into discussion with the customer.
> > The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that are
> scared
> > of before you get a chance to talk to them.
> >
> > mf
> >
> > 2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > A user's opinion here.
> > > > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I go.
> > > > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a big
> > need
> > > > of explenaiton.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how people
> > > percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they ask
> us
> > > to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
> > >
> > > > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> > >
> > > > mf
> > > >
> > > > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a
> > > écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even
> > > > > releasing
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with
> > the
> > > same
> > > > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5.
> > > Are
> > > > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
> > > directory
> > > > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here?
> Its
> > > not
> > > > > clear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting
> > for
> > > it
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more
> > sense.
> > > So
> > > > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's
> > > focused
> > > > > on
> > > > > > EE
> > > > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but
> > > several
> > > > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against
> it
> > > and
> > > > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to
> > > promote M3
> > > > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to
> > release
> > > > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the
> > > bigger
> > > > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat
> > 8.5?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but
> > > please
> > > > > ack
> > > > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > > > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never
> > > respects
> > > > > > any
> > > > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess
> we'll
> > > never
> > > > > > do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> > > david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot
> > > more in
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I
> > see
> > > your
> > > > > > goal
> > > > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat
> > 8.5
> > > out
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > door.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in
> > the
> > > same
> > > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and
> > > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and
> > 3.x
> > > are
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has
> > as
> > > only
> > > > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > a
> > > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat
> 8.0
> > > ->
> > > > > 8.5
> > > > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is
> > highjacking. I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to
> > 7.1
> > > > > > without
> > > > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont
> > care
> > > > > much
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next
> > > 7.0.x
> > > > > if
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I
> d
> > > like
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait
> > > until
> > > > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important
> > > upgrade
> > > > > > silent
> > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a
> > > last
> > > > > > digit.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the
> palimdrom
> > > > > beauty
> > > > > > ;)?
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these
> coming
> > > ones,
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and
> why I
> > > asked
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> > > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and
> move
> > > > > forward
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to
> > show
> > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
Thanks for the feedback
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Bjorn Danielsson <
bjorn-apache@lists.cuspycode.com> wrote:
> My comments as a user: Option 1 works for me, and beyond that
> I think the most important thing about versioning is to make
> it easy to find out what TomEE version supports which standard
> and depends on whatever dependencies.
>
> And I don't believe anyone who is serious about JEE compliance
> will be confused by version numbers. Everyone in that position
> needs to do due diligence anyway, and check what's behind those
> version numbers.
>
> --
> Bjorn Danielsson
> Cuspy Code AB
>
>
> Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
> > My 2 cts
> > Option 1/
> > TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Bjorn Danielsson <bj...@lists.cuspycode.com>.
My comments as a user: Option 1 works for me, and beyond that
I think the most important thing about versioning is to make
it easy to find out what TomEE version supports which standard
and depends on whatever dependencies.
And I don't believe anyone who is serious about JEE compliance
will be confused by version numbers. Everyone in that position
needs to do due diligence anyway, and check what's behind those
version numbers.
--
Bjorn Danielsson
Cuspy Code AB
Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com> wrote:
> My 2 cts
> Option 1/
> TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Jean-Louis Monteiro <jl...@tomitribe.com>.
My 2 cts
We have 3 milestones of the TomEE 7.0.0. People already using it are
expecting a final version, and I agree with that.
Tomcat 8.5 already integrated to master brings an important feature HTTP/2
we want to have and offer to our users. Tomcat 8.5 is fully backward
compatible with Tomcat 8.x ( x < 5).
So I don't see any issue in having TomEE 7.0.0 final released on the master
and already integrating Tomcat 8.5.
I understand Romain's point to reflect Tomcat jump in terms of version, but
having a TomEE 7.1.0 would appear weird if we don't have a TomEE 7.0.0.
If we really want to follow Romain's point and reflect the Tomcat
versioning jump, I'd go with first a 7.0.0 based on the M3 with a couple of
bugfixes but with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) and also a TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x
(x >= 5).
So my view is
Option 1/
TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
*or*
Option 2/
TomEE 7.0.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x < 5) without HTTP/2
+
TomEE 7.1.0 with Tomcat 8.x (x >= 5) with HTTP/2
*Side note*: we don't have any Java EE 7 TCK yet and I don't expect it to
happen anytime soon.
So even if not certified, I'd still go with a final release (non certified)
of TomEE
Jean-Louis
--
Jean-Louis Monteiro
http://twitter.com/jlouismonteiro
http://www.tomitribe.com
On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on TomEE to get
> the JEE 7 certification.
> And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to be JEE 7
> conform, so in
> my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before 7.0 is
> JEE 7.
> They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the minor version
> number.
>
> Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if I can
> get into discussion with the customer.
> The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that are scared
> of before you get a chance to talk to them.
>
> mf
>
> 2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
>
> > Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> > >
> > > A user's opinion here.
> > > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I go.
> > > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a big
> need
> > > of explenaiton.
> > >
> >
> > What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how people
> > percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they ask us
> > to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
> >
> > > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
> > >
> >
> > That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> >
> > > mf
> > >
> > > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a
> > écrit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even
> > > > releasing
> > > > > a
> > > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with
> the
> > same
> > > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5.
> > Are
> > > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
> > directory
> > > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here? Its
> > not
> > > > clear.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting
> for
> > it
> > > > and
> > > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more
> sense.
> > So
> > > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's
> > focused
> > > > on
> > > > > EE
> > > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but
> > several
> > > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against it
> > and
> > > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to
> > promote M3
> > > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to
> release
> > > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the
> > bigger
> > > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat
> 8.5?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but
> > please
> > > > ack
> > > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never
> > respects
> > > > > any
> > > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess we'll
> > never
> > > > > do.
> > > > >
> > > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > > >
> > > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> > david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot
> > more in
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I
> see
> > your
> > > > > goal
> > > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat
> 8.5
> > out
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > door.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in
> the
> > same
> > > > > vote.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and
> > > > whatever
> > > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and
> 3.x
> > are
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has
> as
> > only
> > > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > a
> > > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0
> > ->
> > > > 8.5
> > > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is
> highjacking. I
> > > > think
> > > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to
> 7.1
> > > > > without
> > > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont
> care
> > > > much
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next
> > 7.0.x
> > > > if
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d
> > like
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait
> > until
> > > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important
> > upgrade
> > > > > silent
> > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a
> > last
> > > > > digit.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom
> > > > beauty
> > > > > ;)?
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming
> > ones,
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I
> > asked
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> > david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > > a
> > > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move
> > > > forward
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to
> show
> > > > > coming
> > > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>.
To my impression there are customers out there with an eye on TomEE to get
the JEE 7 certification.
And with the current version scheme they expect the TomEE 7.0 to be JEE 7
conform, so in
my believe they'd be surprised to see an TomEE 7.1 version before 7.0 is
JEE 7.
They'd expect it to be JEE 7 conforming before bumping up the minor version
number.
Technically I think I understand the issue and I could explain, if I can
get into discussion with the customer.
The problem are the customers that you can't discuss with, that are scared
of before you get a chance to talk to them.
mf
2016-04-25 10:12 GMT+02:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>:
> Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> >
> > A user's opinion here.
> > Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I go.
> > So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a big need
> > of explenaiton.
> >
>
> What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how people
> percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they ask us
> to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
>
> > People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
> >
>
> That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
>
> > mf
> >
> > 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> >
> > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a
> écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even
> > > releasing
> > > > a
> > > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with the
> same
> > > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5.
> Are
> > > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
> directory
> > > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here? Its
> not
> > > clear.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting for
> it
> > > and
> > > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more sense.
> So
> > > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's
> focused
> > > on
> > > > EE
> > > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but
> several
> > > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against it
> and
> > > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > > >
> > >
> > > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to
> promote M3
> > > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to release
> > > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the
> bigger
> > > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > >
> > >
> > > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but
> please
> > > ack
> > > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never
> respects
> > > > any
> > > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess we'll
> never
> > > > do.
> > > >
> > > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > > >
> > > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > > >
> > > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
> david.blevins@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot
> more in
> > > > your
> > > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see
> your
> > > > goal
> > > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5
> out
> > > > the
> > > > > > door.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the
> same
> > > > vote.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and
> > > whatever
> > > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x
> are
> > > > no
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as
> only
> > > > > > topic:
> > > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <
> david.blevins@gmail.com>
> a
> > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0
> ->
> > > 8.5
> > > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I
> > > think
> > > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1
> > > > without
> > > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> -David
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care
> > > much
> > > > for
> > > > > > >> this
> > > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next
> 7.0.x
> > > if
> > > > you
> > > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d
> like
> > > to
> > > > > > >> release
> > > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait
> until
> > > > > > wednesday
> > > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important
> upgrade
> > > > silent
> > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a
> last
> > > > digit.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom
> > > beauty
> > > > ;)?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming
> ones,
> > > > just
> > > > > > >> tried
> > > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I
> asked
> > > > about
> > > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
> david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > > a
> > > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move
> > > forward
> > > > to
> > > > > > 7.1
> > > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show
> > > > coming
> > > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Le 25 avr. 2016 09:39, "Martin Funk" <ma...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> A user's opinion here.
> Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I go.
> So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a big need
> of explenaiton.
>
What does miss in this thread as explanation? Trying to get how people
percieve versions. They asked for our versioning page and now they ask us
to not respect it I understand - so hopefully I miss something ;)
> People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
>
That's not a blocker or do I miss anything?
> mf
>
> 2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
>
> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <
rmannibucau@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a
écrit :
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even
> > releasing
> > > a
> > > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> > >
> > > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with the
same
> > > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> > >
> >
> > Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5. Are
> > you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different
directory
> > structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here? Its not
> > clear.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting for
it
> > and
> > > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more sense.
So
> > > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's
focused
> > on
> > > EE
> > > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > > >
> > >
> > > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but
several
> > > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against it
and
> > > prefer to confuse vs break.
> > >
> >
> > How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to
promote M3
> > > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> > >
> > >
> > I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to release
> > TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the
bigger
> > question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat 8.5?
> >
> >
> > > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but
please
> > ack
> > > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never
respects
> > > any
> > > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess we'll
never
> > > do.
> > >
> > > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> > >
> > > @Alex: wyt about it?
> > >
> > > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <
david.blevins@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot
more in
> > > your
> > > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > > >
> > > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see
your
> > > goal
> > > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5
out
> > > the
> > > > > door.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > David Blevins
> > > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the
same
> > > vote.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and
> > whatever
> > > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x
are
> > > no
> > > > > more
> > > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as
only
> > > > > topic:
> > > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com>
a
> > > > > écrit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 ->
> > 8.5
> > > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I
> > think
> > > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1
> > > without
> > > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> -David
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care
> > much
> > > for
> > > > > >> this
> > > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next
7.0.x
> > if
> > > you
> > > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d
like
> > to
> > > > > >> release
> > > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait
until
> > > > > wednesday
> > > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important
upgrade
> > > silent
> > > > > >> and
> > > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last
> > > digit.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom
> > beauty
> > > ;)?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming
ones,
> > > just
> > > > > >> tried
> > > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I
asked
> > > about
> > > > > >> 7.x
> > > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <
david.blevins@gmail.com>
> > a
> > > > > >> écrit :
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move
> > forward
> > > to
> > > > > 7.1
> > > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> -David
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show
> > > coming
> > > > > >>>> release
> > > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Martin Funk <ma...@gmail.com>.
A user's opinion here.
Getting TomEE to be JEE 7 compliant is a big obstical whereever I go.
So releasing a 7.1 before 7.0 is JEE 7 compliant would lead to a big need
of explenaiton.
People I talk to will not touch TomEE before it is JEE 7 compliant.
mf
2016-04-25 4:00 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>:
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a écrit :
> > >
> > > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even
> releasing
> > a
> > > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
> >
> > Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with the same
> > minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
> >
>
> Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5. Are
> you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different directory
> structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here? Its not
> clear.
>
>
> >
> > >
> > > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting for it
> and
> > > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more sense. So
> > > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's focused
> on
> > EE
> > > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> > >
> >
> > As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but several
> > externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against it and
> > prefer to confuse vs break.
> >
>
> How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
>
>
> >
> > About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to promote M3
> > as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
> >
> >
> I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to release
> TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the bigger
> question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat 8.5?
>
>
> > If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but please
> ack
> > we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> > http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never respects
> > any
> > mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess we'll never
> > do.
> >
> > Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
> >
> > @Alex: wyt about it?
> >
> > Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> >
> > > John
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <david.blevins@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot more in
> > your
> > > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > > >
> > > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see your
> > goal
> > > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5 out
> > the
> > > > door.
> > > >
> > > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David Blevins
> > > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > > >
> > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the same
> > vote.
> > > > >
> > > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and
> whatever
> > > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x are
> > no
> > > > more
> > > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > > >
> > > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as only
> > > > topic:
> > > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 ->
> 8.5
> > > > >> upgrade.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I
> think
> > > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1
> > without
> > > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -David
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care
> much
> > for
> > > > >> this
> > > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x
> if
> > you
> > > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like
> to
> > > > >> release
> > > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until
> > > > wednesday
> > > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade
> > silent
> > > > >> and
> > > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last
> > digit.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom
> beauty
> > ;)?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones,
> > just
> > > > >> tried
> > > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked
> > about
> > > > >> 7.x
> > > > >>> versioning now)
> > > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com>
> a
> > > > >> écrit :
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move
> forward
> > to
> > > > 7.1
> > > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> -David
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show
> > coming
> > > > >>>> release
> > > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:59 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a écrit :
> >
> > It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even releasing
> a
> > 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
>
> Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with the same
> minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
>
Maybe your fears aren't clear. Granted I haven't tried tomcat 8.5. Are
you saying that using Tomcat 8.5 causes TomEE to have a different directory
structure or something? Or what structurally is the issue here? Its not
clear.
>
> >
> > Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting for it and
> > claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more sense. So
> > maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's focused on
> EE
> > 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
> >
>
> As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but several
> externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against it and
> prefer to confuse vs break.
>
How does it break maven/ivy/gradle?
>
> About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to promote M3
> as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
>
>
I think the part I don't understand is what benefit is there to release
TomEE ?? based on Tomcat 8.0 when 8.5 is coming out now. Maybe the bigger
question is does it make sense to release TomEE 7 based on Tomcat 8.5?
> If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but please ack
> we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
> http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never respects
> any
> mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess we'll never
> do.
>
> Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
>
> @Alex: wyt about it?
>
> Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
>
> > John
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot more in
> your
> > > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> > >
> > > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see your
> goal
> > > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5 out
> the
> > > door.
> > >
> > > Let’s get some feedback.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > David Blevins
> > > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > > http://www.tomitribe.com
> > >
> > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the same
> vote.
> > > >
> > > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and whatever
> > > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x are
> no
> > > more
> > > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > > >
> > > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as only
> > > topic:
> > > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5
> > > >> upgrade.
> > > >>
> > > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I think
> > > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1
> without
> > > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> -David
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care much
> for
> > > >> this
> > > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x if
> you
> > > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like to
> > > >> release
> > > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until
> > > wednesday
> > > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade
> silent
> > > >> and
> > > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last
> digit.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom beauty
> ;)?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones,
> just
> > > >> tried
> > > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked
> about
> > > >> 7.x
> > > >>> versioning now)
> > > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> > > >> écrit :
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Good thread.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward
> to
> > > 7.1
> > > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -David
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi guys
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show
> coming
> > > >>>> release
> > > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Any objection?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
Le 25 avr. 2016 00:36, "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org> a écrit :
>
> It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even releasing
a
> 7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
Do you think releasing a version which changes structurally with the same
minor is less confusing - was my fear ?
>
> Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting for it and
> claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more sense. So
> maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's focused on
EE
> 7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
>
As mentionned 2.x would break tools - tomee ones which is ok but several
externals including maven/ivy (gradle) based ones so I'm against it and
prefer to confuse vs break.
About doing a 7.0 with master: if everyone wants I m happy to promote M3
as final - we can disucss later if we backport or not things.
If everyone wants just to move on 7.0 I'm also happy with it but please ack
we delete all the minor part with NO replacement of the page
http://tomee.apache.org/tomee-version-policies.html - we never respects any
mathematical logic for minors and cause of our stack I guess we'll never do.
Excepted Alex everyone feedback was 7.0.
@Alex: wyt about it?
Anyone feeling something else before we use that?
> John
>
> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot more in
your
> > head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
> >
> > “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see your
goal
> > a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5 out the
> > door.
> >
> > Let’s get some feedback.
> >
> >
> > --
> > David Blevins
> > http://twitter.com/dblevins
> > http://www.tomitribe.com
> >
> > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the same
vote.
> > >
> > > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and whatever
> > > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x are no
> > more
> > > an option IMO cause of that).
> > >
> > > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as only
> > topic:
> > > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> > écrit :
> > >
> > >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5
> > >> upgrade.
> > >>
> > >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I think
> > >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1 without
> > >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -David
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care much
for
> > >> this
> > >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x if
you
> > >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like to
> > >> release
> > >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until
> > wednesday
> > >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade
silent
> > >> and
> > >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last
digit.
> > >>>
> > >>> Then coming topics are:
> > >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> > >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom beauty
;)?
> > >>>
> > >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones,
just
> > >> tried
> > >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked
about
> > >> 7.x
> > >>> versioning now)
> > >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> > >> écrit :
> > >>>
> > >>>> Good thread.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward
to
> > 7.1
> > >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -David
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> > rmannibucau@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi guys
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming
> > >>>> release
> > >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Any objection?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
It doesn't make sense to jump to a 7.1 immediately without even releasing a
7.0. Just confusing from a semantic versioning standpoint.
Given the current status of the TCK & ASF, I wonder if waiting for it and
claiming EE 7 compatibility at a later date would make more sense. So
maybe along what Dave's mentioning and favor a TomEE 2 that's focused on EE
7 capabilities without stating that its EE7 compliant.
John
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:05 PM David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot more in your
> head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
>
> “Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see your goal
> a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5 out the
> door.
>
> Let’s get some feedback.
>
>
> --
> David Blevins
> http://twitter.com/dblevins
> http://www.tomitribe.com
>
> > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the same vote.
> >
> > Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and whatever
> > version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x are no
> more
> > an option IMO cause of that).
> >
> > Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as only
> topic:
> > how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
> >
> >> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5
> >> upgrade.
> >>
> >> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I think
> >> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1 without
> >> actually doing a GA of 7.0
> >>
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care much for
> >> this
> >>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x if you
> >>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like to
> >> release
> >>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until
> wednesday
> >>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade silent
> >> and
> >>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last digit.
> >>>
> >>> Then coming topics are:
> >>> - objection for a 7.1?
> >>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom beauty ;)?
> >>>
> >>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones, just
> >> tried
> >>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked about
> >> 7.x
> >>> versioning now)
> >>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> >> écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Good thread.
> >>>>
> >>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward to
> 7.1
> >>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> >>>>
> >>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -David
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi guys
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming
> >>>> release
> >>>>> is not just another 7.0.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any objection?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
On hijacking, I think your single sentence communicated a lot more in your head than was actually said :) I beg your patience :)
“Why not 7.0” or “What about 7.0” are fair questions. But I see your goal a little clearer — some way to get a TomEE version of Tomcat 8.5 out the door.
Let’s get some feedback.
--
David Blevins
http://twitter.com/dblevins
http://www.tomitribe.com
> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the same vote.
>
> Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and whatever
> version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x are no more
> an option IMO cause of that).
>
> Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as only topic:
> how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5
>> upgrade.
>>
>> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I think
>> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1 without
>> actually doing a GA of 7.0
>>
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care much for
>> this
>>> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x if you
>>> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like to
>> release
>>> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until wednesday
>>> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade silent
>> and
>>> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last digit.
>>>
>>> Then coming topics are:
>>> - objection for a 7.1?
>>> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom beauty ;)?
>>>
>>> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones, just
>> tried
>>> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked about
>> 7.x
>>> versioning now)
>>> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
>> écrit :
>>>
>>>> Good thread.
>>>>
>>>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward to 7.1
>>>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
>>>>
>>>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys
>>>>>
>>>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming
>>>> release
>>>>> is not just another 7.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any objection?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
We can do a 7.0 based on M3 and 7.1 (8.0 if you prefer) in the same vote.
Basically I want master released whatever TCK status is and whatever
version it is while > 7.0 for toolings compliance ( 2.x and 3.x are no more
an option IMO cause of that).
Side note: speaking about 7.0 hijacks this thread which has as only topic:
how to get tomee http2 support out this month or next one.
Le 24 avr. 2016 23:23, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5
> upgrade.
>
> I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I think
> people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1 without
> actually doing a GA of 7.0
>
>
> -David
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care much for
> this
> > thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x if you
> > care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like to
> release
> > it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until wednesday
> > and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade silent
> and
> > surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last digit.
> >
> > Then coming topics are:
> > - objection for a 7.1?
> > - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom beauty ;)?
> >
> > (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones, just
> tried
> > to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked about
> 7.x
> > versioning now)
> > Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a
> écrit :
> >
> >> Good thread.
> >>
> >> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward to 7.1
> >> based on Tomcat 8.5?
> >>
> >> I’d be +1 for that plan.
> >>
> >>
> >> -David
> >>
> >>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi guys
> >>>
> >>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming
> >> release
> >>> is not just another 7.0.
> >>>
> >>> Any objection?
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
I see and agree on not surprising people around a Tomcat 8.0 -> 8.5 upgrade.
I’m not seeing how discussing finishing 7.0 is highjacking. I think people would find it quite confusing for us to move on to 7.1 without actually doing a GA of 7.0
-David
> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:11 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care much for this
> thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x if you
> care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like to release
> it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until wednesday
> and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade silent and
> surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last digit.
>
> Then coming topics are:
> - objection for a 7.1?
> - what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom beauty ;)?
>
> (Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones, just tried
> to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked about 7.x
> versioning now)
> Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Good thread.
>>
>> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward to 7.1
>> based on Tomcat 8.5?
>>
>> I’d be +1 for that plan.
>>
>>
>> -David
>>
>>> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi guys
>>>
>>> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming
>> release
>>> is not just another 7.0.
>>>
>>> Any objection?
>>
>>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
We can release a 7.0 based on M3 but not master - I dont care much for this
thread topic but feel free to open another thread on next 7.0.x if you
care/want. Master is on tomcat 8.5 since few weeks and I d like to release
it once this thread passed/is done - was planning to wait until wednesday
and few more feedbacks - but to not make this important upgrade silent and
surprise users I d like to change the version more than a last digit.
Then coming topics are:
- objection for a 7.1?
- what do we maintain? 1.7/7.1 - not only for the palimdrom beauty ;)?
(Please dont hijack this thread commenting on these coming ones, just tried
to give a bit more visibility on the overall goal and why I asked about 7.x
versioning now)
Le 24 avr. 2016 23:04, "David Blevins" <da...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Good thread.
>
> Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward to 7.1
> based on Tomcat 8.5?
>
> I’d be +1 for that plan.
>
>
> -David
>
> > On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys
> >
> > Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming
> release
> > is not just another 7.0.
> >
> > Any objection?
>
>
Re: Next release 7.1?
Posted by David Blevins <da...@gmail.com>.
Good thread.
Recap of my understanding: we release 7.0 as-is and move forward to 7.1 based on Tomcat 8.5?
I’d be +1 for that plan.
-David
> On Apr 23, 2016, at 2:17 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi guys
>
> Having tomcat 8.5 now I d like to move tomee to 7.1 to show coming release
> is not just another 7.0.
>
> Any objection?