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Posted to dev@clerezza.apache.org by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> on 2012/11/22 13:32:30 UTC
Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Hi,
Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
Clerezza consists of three different parts:
a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
b) An OSGi linked data platform and framework
c) Content management components (not sure about that part, maybe it's
all in b?)
Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?
As an incubation mentor, I'm trying to find out if graduating is a
viable option or if that would result in a mostly inactive project,
which is not good.
-Bertrand
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Peter Ansell <an...@gmail.com>.
On 22 November 2012 22:32, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> Clerezza consists of three different parts:
>
> a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
Stanbol seems to be the major application using these components.
Personally, the OpenRDF API, currently only implemented by Sesame,
suits my needs. I do not see a niche for the Clerezza RDF API compared
against the incumbent Java RDF/OWL libraries, namely Sesame, OWLAPI,
or Jena. I do not wish to rehash the discussions about advantages and
disadvantages of each, but it is clear that people are making
applications that work using those three libraries, even if they each
have their own unique defects.
My interest in extending Clerezza was to investigate changes necessary
to use it while experimenting with the Stanbol Ontology Manager
component to determine the steps that would be needed to use that
module from Stanbol as a POJO without OSGi. Unfortunately I was not
able to get the Stanbol Ontology Manager working outside of the OSGi
framework so I went with a custom solution after implementing a
Sesame-to-OWLAPI bridge.
Cheers,
Peter
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Fabian Christ <ch...@googlemail.com>.
2012/11/22 Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@wymiwyg.com>
> > a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
> >
>
> Maintaining. Recently added support for Json-LD serialization (currently
> not in SVN but in JSon-LD-Project). Will add Sparql Fastlane support.
I am will work on JSON-LD for Stanbol and would be great to have this in
Clerezza. So I would contribute here.
- Fabian
--
Fabian
http://twitter.com/fctwitt
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Daniel Spicar <ds...@apache.org>.
Generally I am willing to maintain and develop Clerezza. Currently I am
mostly interested in storage adapters (as I am working on a distributed RDF
index for another project). I guess that is part of a)
If b) starts moving anywhere again I'm sure there's things that to do as
well but lately I mostly ignored this part due to lack of activity in
general. Therefore I have no pressing issues on my mind there.
One area I am particularly interested in (if we can keep the project going)
is to improve the workflow documentation and project structure to make it
more flexible (in particular: releasing of single modules should be somehow
solved that it works painlessly and can be done with reasonable effort).
However until spring 2013 I will be busy finishing my master's thesis so I
won't be able to do a lot until then.
On 22 November 2012 14:31, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@wymiwyg.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> > Clerezza consists of three different parts:
> >
> > a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
> >
>
> Maintaining. Recently added support for Json-LD serialization (currently
> not in SVN but in JSon-LD-Project). Will add Sparql Fastlane support.
>
> Given community interest I would be interested in improving the API based
> on different usecases to have a more broadly accepted implementer
> independent API.
>
> >
> > b) An OSGi linked data platform and framework
> >
>
> Here I certainly will be more active in 2013 than I was last year. Last
> year I've only been active in tangential areas such as shell and Bundle-Dev
> Tools
>
>
> >
> > c) Content management components (not sure about that part, maybe it's
> > all in b?)
> >
>
> If that means that the linked data platform also provides human interfaces
> I will continue development so that clerezza can be used to develob
> semantic web application that are also just webapps. I've no particular
> interest in implementing dashboard or other cms like features. Clerezzqa is
> a framework, the only CMSish bit is a javascript editor which is more of
> demo than a building block of the system.
>
> Cheers,
> Reto
>
>
> >
> > Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
> > intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?
> >
> > As an incubation mentor, I'm trying to find out if graduating is a
> > viable option or if that would result in a mostly inactive project,
> > which is not good.
> >
> > -Bertrand
> >
>
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@wymiwyg.com>.
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> Clerezza consists of three different parts:
>
> a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
>
Maintaining. Recently added support for Json-LD serialization (currently
not in SVN but in JSon-LD-Project). Will add Sparql Fastlane support.
Given community interest I would be interested in improving the API based
on different usecases to have a more broadly accepted implementer
independent API.
>
> b) An OSGi linked data platform and framework
>
Here I certainly will be more active in 2013 than I was last year. Last
year I've only been active in tangential areas such as shell and Bundle-Dev
Tools
>
> c) Content management components (not sure about that part, maybe it's
> all in b?)
>
If that means that the linked data platform also provides human interfaces
I will continue development so that clerezza can be used to develob
semantic web application that are also just webapps. I've no particular
interest in implementing dashboard or other cms like features. Clerezzqa is
a framework, the only CMSish bit is a javascript editor which is more of
demo than a building block of the system.
Cheers,
Reto
>
> Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
> intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?
>
> As an incubation mentor, I'm trying to find out if graduating is a
> viable option or if that would result in a mostly inactive project,
> which is not good.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Tommaso Teofili <to...@gmail.com>.
I'd be personally up to a) mostly, with a slightly minor commitment to b)
and the UIMA integration too.
Tommaso
2012/11/22 Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> Hi,
>
> Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> Clerezza consists of three different parts:
>
> a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
>
> b) An OSGi linked data platform and framework
>
> c) Content management components (not sure about that part, maybe it's
> all in b?)
>
> Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
> intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?
>
> As an incubation mentor, I'm trying to find out if graduating is a
> viable option or if that would result in a mostly inactive project,
> which is not good.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Hasan Hasan <ha...@trialox.org>.
Hi all,
I will try to contribute to a). Thinking of tools for manipulating triples
regards
hasan
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Tsuy Ito <ts...@trialox.org> wrote:
> Hi there
>
> I am using a), b) and c). I want / (am able) to contribute to b) and c).
> Same view of c) as Reto (Dashboard/ Page-Editor/ Articlemanager
> /Digitalassetmanager should not be part of clerezza) but e.g. possibility
> to enrich resources with additional information.
>
> I am planning to work in 2013 on a open data platform (IMO another
> buzzword for linked data platform) as for example described on
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/open-platform
>
> cheers
> tsuy
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> > Clerezza consists of three different parts:
> >
> > a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
> >
> > b) An OSGi linked data platform and framework
> >
> > c) Content management components (not sure about that part, maybe it's
> > all in b?)
> >
> > Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
> > intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?
> >
> > As an incubation mentor, I'm trying to find out if graduating is a
> > viable option or if that would result in a mostly inactive project,
> > which is not good.
> >
> > -Bertrand
>
> --trialox ag-------------------------------------
> tsuyoshi ito
> hardturmstrasse 101
> 8005 zuerich
>
>
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Tsuy Ito <ts...@trialox.org>.
Hi there
I am using a), b) and c). I want / (am able) to contribute to b) and c). Same view of c) as Reto (Dashboard/ Page-Editor/ Articlemanager /Digitalassetmanager should not be part of clerezza) but e.g. possibility to enrich resources with additional information.
I am planning to work in 2013 on a open data platform (IMO another buzzword for linked data platform) as for example described on http://www.guardian.co.uk/open-platform
cheers
tsuy
On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> Clerezza consists of three different parts:
>
> a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
>
> b) An OSGi linked data platform and framework
>
> c) Content management components (not sure about that part, maybe it's
> all in b?)
>
> Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
> intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?
>
> As an incubation mentor, I'm trying to find out if graduating is a
> viable option or if that would result in a mostly inactive project,
> which is not good.
>
> -Bertrand
--trialox ag-------------------------------------
tsuyoshi ito
hardturmstrasse 101
8005 zuerich
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Sam Chance <sg...@gmail.com>.
Sounds good! This activity will be new to my company, but have have a
couple of great, young developers who will appreciate the opportunity to
help. Soon, we'll join the effort!
On Nov 22, 2012 10:53 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Sam Chance <sg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...My company, Inovex, may be interested in contributing to Clerezza...
>
> Very cool! The best way to make this happen is to make yourself (more)
> visible on this list and start contributing patches.
>
> What I didn't mention is that as an incubation mentor my favorite
> option by far is graduating Clerezza as is and seeing it flourish,
> even if it's with a slightly different focus than initially planned -
> so it's great to hear that from your.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Sam Chance <sg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...My company, Inovex, may be interested in contributing to Clerezza...
Very cool! The best way to make this happen is to make yourself (more)
visible on this list and start contributing patches.
What I didn't mention is that as an incubation mentor my favorite
option by far is graduating Clerezza as is and seeing it flourish,
even if it's with a slightly different focus than initially planned -
so it's great to hear that from your.
-Bertrand
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Sam Chance <sg...@gmail.com>.
Hi Team,
My company, Inovex, may be interested in contributing to Clerezza. I'll
consult with my folks and provide more definitive feedback ASAP. Suffice it
say, however, Clerezza, its goals, and its incorporation of OSGi technology
are supremely relevant to us, and I beloved the larger data integration
community.
Thank you!
Sam
On Nov 22, 2012 7:32 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" <bd...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> Clerezza consists of three different parts:
>
> a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
>
> b) An OSGi linked data platform and framework
>
> c) Content management components (not sure about that part, maybe it's
> all in b?)
>
> Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
> intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?
>
> As an incubation mentor, I'm trying to find out if graduating is a
> viable option or if that would result in a mostly inactive project,
> which is not good.
>
> -Bertrand
>
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Enrico Daga <en...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I am involved in the Stanbol project and I wrote a Clerezza adapter for
Virtuoso [1] which I am happy to donate to the project (and maintain).
I like the Clerezza core API and I would like the project to be successful,
but apart from this little contribution I cannot guarantee a strong
involvement right now (I am going to change my "employer" in the coming
period).
best,
Enrico
[1]
https://github.com/enridaga/clerezza-virtuoso/tree/master/clerezza-virtuoso
On 23 November 2012 05:59, Rupert Westenthaler <
rupert.westenthaler@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> > Clerezza consists of three different parts:
> >
> > a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
> >
>
> I have and will contribute to this because Stanbol is heavily using
> this part of Clerezza
>
> best
> Rupert
>
>
> --
> | Rupert Westenthaler rupert.westenthaler@gmail.com
> | Bodenlehenstraße 11 ++43-699-11108907
> | A-5500 Bischofshofen
>
--
Enrico Daga
--
http://www.enridaga.net
skype: enri-pan
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Rupert Westenthaler <ru...@gmail.com>.
Hi
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Trying to summarize the recent discussions, my understanding is that
> Clerezza consists of three different parts:
>
> a) An RDF API with adapters and tools, used by Stanbol
>
I have and will contribute to this because Stanbol is heavily using
this part of Clerezza
best
Rupert
--
| Rupert Westenthaler rupert.westenthaler@gmail.com
| Bodenlehenstraße 11 ++43-699-11108907
| A-5500 Bischofshofen
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 03/12/12 08:29, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> ...Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
>>> intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?...
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the comments in this thread - it looks to me like
>> Clerezza can graduate as is.
>> I've started the discussion, on the private list, as to who should be
>> its PMC chair.
>>
>> -Bertrand
>>
>>
> It would be a good sign to complete the 0.3 release started in August. (I
> checked the release thread and found 2 +1's and a +0 and then it seems to
> have stopped.)
>
I suggest to do the changes proposed by Florent to dependecy management
first, so that we would have a release branch without sources that do not
belong to the release.
Cheers,
Rrto
>
> Andy
>
>
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would
be
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 03/12/12 08:29, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <bd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
>> intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?...
>
> Thanks for all the comments in this thread - it looks to me like
> Clerezza can graduate as is.
> I've started the discussion, on the private list, as to who should be
> its PMC chair.
>
> -Bertrand
>
It would be a good sign to complete the 0.3 release started in August.
(I checked the release thread and found 2 +1's and a +0 and then it
seems to have stopped.)
Andy
Re: Graduating Clerezza - please indicate what your involvement would be
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
<bd...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...Could people indicate which parts they are using, and which they
> intend to at least maintain and/or continue developing?...
Thanks for all the comments in this thread - it looks to me like
Clerezza can graduate as is.
I've started the discussion, on the private list, as to who should be
its PMC chair.
-Bertrand