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Posted to dev@ignite.apache.org by Dmitry Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com> on 2018/05/16 09:27:04 UTC
Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Hi Igniters,
What do you think about deletion of comment in JIRA tickets? I constantly
see that participants add comments, and then delete them.
IMO , we have partially lost the history of problem research, and we can
lose interesting ideas about the problem causes; or already tested
hypotheses.
I understand that the commentary may be outdated, but it can be underlined
by the second comment, which speaks about it explicitly.
Please share your vision.
Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Dmitry Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>.
I do not suggest to restrict removal using JIRA rights, it is not
reasonable.
I ask contributors to avoid such practice. In a number of cases it doesn't
make any sense and confuses community members.
ср, 16 мая 2018 г. в 15:58, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> People make mistakes. Sometimes I can edit comment. Sometimes I can delete
> it if I understand it makes no sense. If I do this then I think that
> comment adds no value. If you restrict removal, then users would use
> "Edit" and print something like "comment was removed". Same thing.
>
> Again - what is the problem being solved?
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Dmitry Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Vladimir,
> >
> > I receive a number of such emails, then contributor deletes data. This is
> > valueable information about ticket history.
> >
> > I'm not sure what are we trying to solve using this, as you said,
> perfectly
> > normal operation - deleting comments. Could you provide cases?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
> > ср, 16 мая 2018 г. в 15:18, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> >
> > > Agree, comments deletion is perfectly normal operation.
> > > What are we trying to solve?
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Vyacheslav Daradur <
> daradurvs@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > +1 to Andrey's point.
> > > >
> > > > Do we really have any problems with comment's deletion?
> > > >
> > > > I think: if a contributor will make a decision to remove a comment
> and
> > > > will not be able to do this he just will edit the comment with the
> > > > message *deleted*.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <stkuzma@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me disagree with you.
> > > > >
> > > > > As you've mentioned, there is a history of changes for an issue, so
> > > > nothing
> > > > > can be lost. Comment deletions can be useful to maintain clear path
> > of
> > > > > issue evolution. For me, it's ok to delete misleading comments, but
> > > this
> > > > > should be done with care, of course.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2018-05-16 12:51 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Govorukhin <
> > > > dmitriy.govorukhin@gmail.com>
> > > > > :
> > > > >
> > > > >> +1 Dmitriy,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I do not see any reason for deletion comments.
> > > > >> Maybe only edit operation must be allowed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>.
People make mistakes. Sometimes I can edit comment. Sometimes I can delete
it if I understand it makes no sense. If I do this then I think that
comment adds no value. If you restrict removal, then users would use
"Edit" and print something like "comment was removed". Same thing.
Again - what is the problem being solved?
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Dmitry Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Vladimir,
>
> I receive a number of such emails, then contributor deletes data. This is
> valueable information about ticket history.
>
> I'm not sure what are we trying to solve using this, as you said, perfectly
> normal operation - deleting comments. Could you provide cases?
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>
> ср, 16 мая 2018 г. в 15:18, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
>
> > Agree, comments deletion is perfectly normal operation.
> > What are we trying to solve?
> >
> > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Vyacheslav Daradur <daradurvs@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > +1 to Andrey's point.
> > >
> > > Do we really have any problems with comment's deletion?
> > >
> > > I think: if a contributor will make a decision to remove a comment and
> > > will not be able to do this he just will edit the comment with the
> > > message *deleted*.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > > Let me disagree with you.
> > > >
> > > > As you've mentioned, there is a history of changes for an issue, so
> > > nothing
> > > > can be lost. Comment deletions can be useful to maintain clear path
> of
> > > > issue evolution. For me, it's ok to delete misleading comments, but
> > this
> > > > should be done with care, of course.
> > > >
> > > > 2018-05-16 12:51 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Govorukhin <
> > > dmitriy.govorukhin@gmail.com>
> > > > :
> > > >
> > > >> +1 Dmitriy,
> > > >>
> > > >> I do not see any reason for deletion comments.
> > > >> Maybe only edit operation must be allowed.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Andrey Kuznetsov.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> > >
> >
>
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Dmitry Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>.
Hi Vladimir,
I receive a number of such emails, then contributor deletes data. This is
valueable information about ticket history.
I'm not sure what are we trying to solve using this, as you said, perfectly
normal operation - deleting comments. Could you provide cases?
Sincerely,
Dmitriy Pavlov
ср, 16 мая 2018 г. в 15:18, Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>:
> Agree, comments deletion is perfectly normal operation.
> What are we trying to solve?
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1 to Andrey's point.
> >
> > Do we really have any problems with comment's deletion?
> >
> > I think: if a contributor will make a decision to remove a comment and
> > will not be able to do this he just will edit the comment with the
> > message *deleted*.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > Let me disagree with you.
> > >
> > > As you've mentioned, there is a history of changes for an issue, so
> > nothing
> > > can be lost. Comment deletions can be useful to maintain clear path of
> > > issue evolution. For me, it's ok to delete misleading comments, but
> this
> > > should be done with care, of course.
> > >
> > > 2018-05-16 12:51 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Govorukhin <
> > dmitriy.govorukhin@gmail.com>
> > > :
> > >
> > >> +1 Dmitriy,
> > >>
> > >> I do not see any reason for deletion comments.
> > >> Maybe only edit operation must be allowed.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best regards,
> > > Andrey Kuznetsov.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
> >
>
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Vladimir Ozerov <vo...@gridgain.com>.
Agree, comments deletion is perfectly normal operation.
What are we trying to solve?
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1 to Andrey's point.
>
> Do we really have any problems with comment's deletion?
>
> I think: if a contributor will make a decision to remove a comment and
> will not be able to do this he just will edit the comment with the
> message *deleted*.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > Let me disagree with you.
> >
> > As you've mentioned, there is a history of changes for an issue, so
> nothing
> > can be lost. Comment deletions can be useful to maintain clear path of
> > issue evolution. For me, it's ok to delete misleading comments, but this
> > should be done with care, of course.
> >
> > 2018-05-16 12:51 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Govorukhin <
> dmitriy.govorukhin@gmail.com>
> > :
> >
> >> +1 Dmitriy,
> >>
> >> I do not see any reason for deletion comments.
> >> Maybe only edit operation must be allowed.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > Andrey Kuznetsov.
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
>
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Vyacheslav Daradur <da...@gmail.com>.
+1 to Andrey's point.
Do we really have any problems with comment's deletion?
I think: if a contributor will make a decision to remove a comment and
will not be able to do this he just will edit the comment with the
message *deleted*.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Folks,
>
> Let me disagree with you.
>
> As you've mentioned, there is a history of changes for an issue, so nothing
> can be lost. Comment deletions can be useful to maintain clear path of
> issue evolution. For me, it's ok to delete misleading comments, but this
> should be done with care, of course.
>
> 2018-05-16 12:51 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Govorukhin <dm...@gmail.com>
> :
>
>> +1 Dmitriy,
>>
>> I do not see any reason for deletion comments.
>> Maybe only edit operation must be allowed.
>>
>>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Andrey Kuznetsov.
--
Best Regards, Vyacheslav D.
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Andrey Kuznetsov <st...@gmail.com>.
Folks,
Let me disagree with you.
As you've mentioned, there is a history of changes for an issue, so nothing
can be lost. Comment deletions can be useful to maintain clear path of
issue evolution. For me, it's ok to delete misleading comments, but this
should be done with care, of course.
2018-05-16 12:51 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Govorukhin <dm...@gmail.com>
:
> +1 Dmitriy,
>
> I do not see any reason for deletion comments.
> Maybe only edit operation must be allowed.
>
>
--
Best regards,
Andrey Kuznetsov.
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Dmitriy Govorukhin <dm...@gmail.com>.
+1 Dmitriy,
I do not see any reason for deletion comments.
Maybe only edit operation must be allowed.
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:32 PM, Igor Sapego <is...@apache.org> wrote:
> I totally agree. There is no sense in most cases in deletion
> of commentaries.
>
> There is even less sense, when you can look into ticket
> history and see all the removed comments anyway.
>
> Best Regards,
> Igor
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Dmitry Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Igniters,
> >
> > What do you think about deletion of comment in JIRA tickets? I constantly
> > see that participants add comments, and then delete them.
> >
> > IMO , we have partially lost the history of problem research, and we can
> > lose interesting ideas about the problem causes; or already tested
> > hypotheses.
> >
> > I understand that the commentary may be outdated, but it can be
> underlined
> > by the second comment, which speaks about it explicitly.
> >
> > Please share your vision.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Dmitriy Pavlov
> >
>
Re: Avoid JIRA comments deletion
Posted by Igor Sapego <is...@apache.org>.
I totally agree. There is no sense in most cases in deletion
of commentaries.
There is even less sense, when you can look into ticket
history and see all the removed comments anyway.
Best Regards,
Igor
On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 12:27 PM, Dmitry Pavlov <dp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Igniters,
>
> What do you think about deletion of comment in JIRA tickets? I constantly
> see that participants add comments, and then delete them.
>
> IMO , we have partially lost the history of problem research, and we can
> lose interesting ideas about the problem causes; or already tested
> hypotheses.
>
> I understand that the commentary may be outdated, but it can be underlined
> by the second comment, which speaks about it explicitly.
>
> Please share your vision.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dmitriy Pavlov
>