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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com> on 2013/05/02 18:41:11 UTC
May board report
Hi all,
Here's a draft of the board report for May.
I'd appreciate comments / edits / etc...
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/2013-05+Board+Report+for+Apache+CloudStack
I will be providing the report to the board on Tuesday the 7th, so get
your comments in soon please!
-chip
RE: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by "Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>.
Most importantly to get the most out of nested hypervisors, you need 2 things:
1.) A processor that can handle EPT, or 'pDMA'
2.) A hypervisor that can passthrough a cpu using EPT(pDMA) <- this is needed to achieve hardware assisted virtualization(HAV) in the tier 1 guest. It is possible to nest with Para-Virtualization but you should not expect any form of 'usable' tier 2 guest instances. The overhead on the CPU by that point without pDMA is insane. When modeling something as complex as a cloud using nested virtualization, you really want HAV.
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Soheil Eizadi [mailto:seizadi@infoblox.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:45 AM
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Dev/Test Environment
>
>The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it is a better
>choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't have much
>experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested hypervisors?
>-Soheil
>
>On 5/2/13 11:05 AM, "Ahmad Emneina" <ae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Sounds like useful wiki material to me! You should be able to add/edit
>>to the wiki without special permissions.
>>
>>
>>On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Soheil Eizadi <se...@infoblox.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> At the recent Meetup at Citrix (thanks for the great presentations
>>>and food), I found out that developers have had problem running
>>>XenServer
>>>6.1
>>> on Mac/Fusion. In case it might benefit others I have an environment
>>>with Fusion (Version 5.0.3) running XenServer 6.1 on my Mac. I
>>>configured a "VMware ESXi 5" profile for the VM so that it could
>>>support a nested Hypervisor and then I attached the ISO DVD and
>>>installed as usual.
>>> -Soheil
>>>
>>>
RE: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by "Kelcey Damage (BT)" <ke...@backbonetechnology.com>.
Xen runs pretty well in Para-Virt mode, I'll give it that.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chip Childers [mailto:chip.childers@sungard.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:49 AM
>To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
>Subject: Re: Dev/Test Environment
>
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 06:44:52PM +0000, Soheil Eizadi wrote:
>> The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it
>> is a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I
>> don't have much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested
>hypervisors?
>
>We run XenServer using it. That's how the VirtualBox version of DevCloud
>works actually...
Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Chiradeep Vittal <Ch...@citrix.com>.
Actually DevCloud is XCP and not Citrix XenServer.
If someone intended to try out XS 6.1, Soheil's solution should work very
nicely.
Although, it should work on Virtual Box as well.
On 5/2/13 11:49 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 06:44:52PM +0000, Soheil Eizadi wrote:
>> The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it
>>is
>> a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't
>>have
>> much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested hypervisors?
>
>We run XenServer using it. That's how the VirtualBox version of
>DevCloud works actually...
Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 06:44:52PM +0000, Soheil Eizadi wrote:
> The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it is
> a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't have
> much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested hypervisors?
We run XenServer using it. That's how the VirtualBox version of
DevCloud works actually...
Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by John Kinsella <jl...@stratosec.co>.
+1
On May 2, 2013, at 1:16 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>> wrote:
On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 01:44 PM, Soheil Eizadi wrote:
The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it is
a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't have
much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested hypervisors?
If you've gotten something working in Fusion, it would be worth putting
that on the wiki for folks who aren't a fan of VirtualBox. (Or folks who
already use Fusion and don't want to run two desktop virt. products...)
Best,
jzb
--
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Twitter: @jzb
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Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Marcus Sorensen <sh...@gmail.com>.
Virtualbox doesn't support nested virtualization (unless they just barely
added it), which is why we have to use fusion (or KVM if you run linux) for
the KVM version of devcloud. Vbox works for the Xen devcloud though
because it doesn't require the Xen guests to have paravirtualization,
whereas cloudstack KVM guests do.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net> wrote:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 03:16 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 01:44 PM, Soheil Eizadi wrote:
> > > The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it
> is
> > > a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't
> have
> > > much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested
> hypervisors?
> >
> > If you've gotten something working in Fusion, it would be worth putting
> > that on the wiki for folks who aren't a fan of VirtualBox. (Or folks who
> > already use Fusion and don't want to run two desktop virt. products...)
>
> Didn't complete my thought - would be worth putting on the wiki *on a
> new page* so that it's not conflicting with the "standard" DevCloud
> info.
>
> Best,
>
> jzb
> --
> Joe Brockmeier
> jzb@zonker.net
> Twitter: @jzb
> http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
>
Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 03:16 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 01:44 PM, Soheil Eizadi wrote:
> > The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it is
> > a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't have
> > much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested hypervisors?
>
> If you've gotten something working in Fusion, it would be worth putting
> that on the wiki for folks who aren't a fan of VirtualBox. (Or folks who
> already use Fusion and don't want to run two desktop virt. products...)
Didn't complete my thought - would be worth putting on the wiki *on a
new page* so that it's not conflicting with the "standard" DevCloud
info.
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Joe Brockmeier <jz...@zonker.net>.
On Thu, May 2, 2013, at 01:44 PM, Soheil Eizadi wrote:
> The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it is
> a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't have
> much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested hypervisors?
If you've gotten something working in Fusion, it would be worth putting
that on the wiki for folks who aren't a fan of VirtualBox. (Or folks who
already use Fusion and don't want to run two desktop virt. products...)
Best,
jzb
--
Joe Brockmeier
jzb@zonker.net
Twitter: @jzb
http://www.dissociatedpress.net/
Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Soheil Eizadi <se...@infoblox.com>.
The wiki is organized around VirtualBox, assuming it works, I think it is
a better choice than Fusion since it free and easy to setup. I don't have
much experience with VirtualBox, does it not support nested hypervisors?
-Soheil
On 5/2/13 11:05 AM, "Ahmad Emneina" <ae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Sounds like useful wiki material to me! You should be able to add/edit to
>the wiki without special permissions.
>
>
>On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Soheil Eizadi <se...@infoblox.com>
>wrote:
>
>> At the recent Meetup at Citrix (thanks for the great presentations and
>> food), I found out that developers have had problem running XenServer
>>6.1
>> on Mac/Fusion. In case it might benefit others I have an environment
>>with
>> Fusion (Version 5.0.3) running XenServer 6.1 on my Mac. I configured a
>> "VMware ESXi 5" profile for the VM so that it could support a nested
>> Hypervisor and then I attached the ISO DVD and installed as usual.
>> -Soheil
>>
>>
Re: Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Ahmad Emneina <ae...@gmail.com>.
Sounds like useful wiki material to me! You should be able to add/edit to
the wiki without special permissions.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Soheil Eizadi <se...@infoblox.com> wrote:
> At the recent Meetup at Citrix (thanks for the great presentations and
> food), I found out that developers have had problem running XenServer 6.1
> on Mac/Fusion. In case it might benefit others I have an environment with
> Fusion (Version 5.0.3) running XenServer 6.1 on my Mac. I configured a
> "VMware ESXi 5" profile for the VM so that it could support a nested
> Hypervisor and then I attached the ISO DVD and installed as usual.
> -Soheil
>
>
Re: May board report
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 10:44:19AM -0700, Chiradeep Vittal wrote:
>
>
> On 5/2/13 9:41 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi all,
> >
> >Here's a draft of the board report for May.
> >
> >I'd appreciate comments / edits / etc...
> >
> >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/2013-05+Board+Repor
> >t+for+Apache+CloudStack
> >
> >I will be providing the report to the board on Tuesday the 7th, so get
> >your comments in soon please!
> >
> >-chip
>
> The committer / PMC information is useful (if I was a board member).
It's actually required by the board. ;-)
> Perhaps an update on the total # of committers and total # of PMC.
The board hasn't asked for that information, and I haven't seen it in
any other reports. That being said, nothing wrong with adding it.
Re: May board report
Posted by Chiradeep Vittal <Ch...@citrix.com>.
On 5/2/13 9:41 AM, "Chip Childers" <ch...@sungard.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Here's a draft of the board report for May.
>
>I'd appreciate comments / edits / etc...
>
>https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/2013-05+Board+Repor
>t+for+Apache+CloudStack
>
>I will be providing the report to the board on Tuesday the 7th, so get
>your comments in soon please!
>
>-chip
The committer / PMC information is useful (if I was a board member).
Perhaps an update on the total # of committers and total # of PMC.
Dev/Test Environment
Posted by Soheil Eizadi <se...@infoblox.com>.
At the recent Meetup at Citrix (thanks for the great presentations and
food), I found out that developers have had problem running XenServer 6.1
on Mac/Fusion. In case it might benefit others I have an environment with
Fusion (Version 5.0.3) running XenServer 6.1 on my Mac. I configured a
"VMware ESXi 5" profile for the VM so that it could support a nested
Hypervisor and then I attached the ISO DVD and installed as usual.
-Soheil