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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com> on 2007/01/24 16:32:20 UTC
Why's everybody baggin' on OFBiz lately
I just wanted to move this topic to something that would be less
related to one particular topic and more related to what appears to
be a deteriorating tone in the user community.
As everyone knows, there is a A LOT of work constantly going on
around the user & dev communities here at OFBiz - and thanks to this
we're starting to see a bunch of new, potential "power" users coming
into the fold - which is exactly what this community needs.
When I take a step back from what is going on in my regular work life
and concentrate on the mailing lists, my personal opinion is that
there is a lot of baggin' on OFBiz going on around here! Most of the
people around here are experienced developers who have worked on a
number of different open source projects, so I guess I'm a little
surprised by where things appear to be heading.
Without going into specifics and calling individual people out on the
carpet, I would like to have everyone just think about these things:
1. All committers and experienced OFBiz developers are all working
towards the same goal - to better the project.
2. When you're not finding something that you need, it's much more
effective to ask where things are found - rather than criticize the
current set up.
3. If something you want is not available, you can either head a
group that wants to develop / document it, develop it yourself, or
get someone more experienced in OFBiz to champion your cause.
4. If you NEED something committed back into OFBiz and are on a
strict timeline, build in a small amount of funds to get a committer
to look at it. Often times people are too busy with paying work to
look over EVERYTHING - cash can, at times change priorities for
everyone. This is not to imply that being a committer is a paying
gig - just that if your stuff is a priority more for you than the
community, this can help.
5. It's far less stressful to try to get what you want than it is to
be right! What I mean by this, is think about what you're saying and
how you're saying it. It can go a long way towards getting you what
you really want.
Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope this helps people start to
structure their requests & needs in a way that motivates people to
help them. We need everyone to come in and be productive community
members so that we can all work more efficiently - let's see what we
can do to rally around the project!
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
Re: Why's everybody baggin' on OFBiz lately
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
In other words, you can curse the darkness or light a candle.
For what it's worth, I truly appreciate the developer community and the
committers. I'm excited about where OFBiz is going.
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> I just wanted to move this topic to something that would be less related
> to one particular topic and more related to what appears to be a
> deteriorating tone in the user community.
>
> As everyone knows, there is a A LOT of work constantly going on around
> the user & dev communities here at OFBiz - and thanks to this we're
> starting to see a bunch of new, potential "power" users coming into the
> fold - which is exactly what this community needs.
>
> When I take a step back from what is going on in my regular work life
> and concentrate on the mailing lists, my personal opinion is that there
> is a lot of baggin' on OFBiz going on around here! Most of the people
> around here are experienced developers who have worked on a number of
> different open source projects, so I guess I'm a little surprised by
> where things appear to be heading.
>
> Without going into specifics and calling individual people out on the
> carpet, I would like to have everyone just think about these things:
>
> 1. All committers and experienced OFBiz developers are all working
> towards the same goal - to better the project.
> 2. When you're not finding something that you need, it's much more
> effective to ask where things are found - rather than criticize the
> current set up.
> 3. If something you want is not available, you can either head a group
> that wants to develop / document it, develop it yourself, or get someone
> more experienced in OFBiz to champion your cause.
> 4. If you NEED something committed back into OFBiz and are on a strict
> timeline, build in a small amount of funds to get a committer to look at
> it. Often times people are too busy with paying work to look over
> EVERYTHING - cash can, at times change priorities for everyone. This is
> not to imply that being a committer is a paying gig - just that if your
> stuff is a priority more for you than the community, this can help.
> 5. It's far less stressful to try to get what you want than it is to be
> right! What I mean by this, is think about what you're saying and how
> you're saying it. It can go a long way towards getting you what you
> really want.
>
>
> Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope this helps people start to
> structure their requests & needs in a way that motivates people to help
> them. We need everyone to come in and be productive community members
> so that we can all work more efficiently - let's see what we can do to
> rally around the project!
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
Re: Why's everybody baggin' on OFBiz lately
Posted by David Shere <ds...@steelerubber.com>.
When I read the help forums at http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ , I tend to
see the same thing. People are complaining about the developers (How
could they *possibly* allow something like this to happen?!?!?) or ease
of use (I should have to go through *all this* to get it to work!
Ubuntu sucks!). Usually someone chimes in and says something to the
effect of: "Ubuntu is free software. You're not in much of a position
to complain about something when you're getting it for free."
Tim Ruppert wrote:
> I just wanted to move this topic to something that would be less related
> to one particular topic and more related to what appears to be a
> deteriorating tone in the user community.
>
> As everyone knows, there is a A LOT of work constantly going on around
> the user & dev communities here at OFBiz - and thanks to this we're
> starting to see a bunch of new, potential "power" users coming into the
> fold - which is exactly what this community needs.
>
> When I take a step back from what is going on in my regular work life
> and concentrate on the mailing lists, my personal opinion is that there
> is a lot of baggin' on OFBiz going on around here! Most of the people
> around here are experienced developers who have worked on a number of
> different open source projects, so I guess I'm a little surprised by
> where things appear to be heading.
>
> Without going into specifics and calling individual people out on the
> carpet, I would like to have everyone just think about these things:
>
> 1. All committers and experienced OFBiz developers are all working
> towards the same goal - to better the project.
> 2. When you're not finding something that you need, it's much more
> effective to ask where things are found - rather than criticize the
> current set up.
> 3. If something you want is not available, you can either head a group
> that wants to develop / document it, develop it yourself, or get someone
> more experienced in OFBiz to champion your cause.
> 4. If you NEED something committed back into OFBiz and are on a strict
> timeline, build in a small amount of funds to get a committer to look at
> it. Often times people are too busy with paying work to look over
> EVERYTHING - cash can, at times change priorities for everyone. This is
> not to imply that being a committer is a paying gig - just that if your
> stuff is a priority more for you than the community, this can help.
> 5. It's far less stressful to try to get what you want than it is to be
> right! What I mean by this, is think about what you're saying and how
> you're saying it. It can go a long way towards getting you what you
> really want.
>
>
> Anyways, thanks for listening and I hope this helps people start to
> structure their requests & needs in a way that motivates people to help
> them. We need everyone to come in and be productive community members
> so that we can all work more efficiently - let's see what we can do to
> rally around the project!
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
>
--
David Shere
Steele Rubber Products
eBay Programming and Sales
http://stores.ebay.com/Steele-Rubber-Products