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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> on 2006/04/20 03:07:46 UTC

GSoC proposal "lenya-forrest-doco"

Regarding Thorsten's proposal for Doco at
http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2006

I see the phrases "for apache projects" and
"for Apache wide usage".

We have been very careful at Forrest recently to not push
our products in that way. If other Apache projects want
to utilise it, then that is their choice.

For example see the recent kerfuffle at Incubator and
the animosity towards Forrest.

Also see the proposal for assisting with site-dev@
solutions for general documentation publishing solutions.
We took great care to make sure that Forrest is just
another tool.
http://people.apache.org/~crossley/proposal-asf-publish.html
http://people.apache.org/~rgardler/site-dev/Site-Build.html

So as a Forrest PMC member, i am concerned about opening
this can of worms again.

I suggest that those words be removed so that it is just
a generic documentation publication and CMS solution.
What do others think?

-David

Re: GSoC proposal "lenya-forrest-doco"

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
El jue, 20-04-2006 a las 10:58 +0200, Thorsten Scherler escribió:
> El jue, 20-04-2006 a las 12:31 +1000, David Crossley escribió:
> > Ross Gardler wrote:
> > > David Crossley wrote:
> > > >Regarding Thorsten's proposal for Doco at
> > > >http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2006
> > > >
> > > >I see the phrases "for apache projects" and
> > > >"for Apache wide usage".
> > > >
> > > >We have been very careful at Forrest recently to not push
> > > >our products in that way. If other Apache projects want
> > > >to utilise it, then that is their choice.
> > > >
> > > >For example see the recent kerfuffle at Incubator and
> > > >the animosity towards Forrest.
> > > >
> > > >Also see the proposal for assisting with site-dev@
> > > >solutions for general documentation publishing solutions.
> > > >We took great care to make sure that Forrest is just
> > > >another tool.
> > > >http://people.apache.org/~crossley/proposal-asf-publish.html
> > > >http://people.apache.org/~rgardler/site-dev/Site-Build.html
> > > >
> > > >So as a Forrest PMC member, i am concerned about opening
> > > >this can of worms again.
> > > >
> > > >I suggest that those words be removed so that it is just
> > > >a generic documentation publication and CMS solution.
> > > >What do others think?
> > > 
> > > It would certainly make things more acceptable to other ASF people - who 
> > > will ultimately decide what projects get accepted. It is also likely to 
> > > reduce the flack the project may cop.
> > > 
> > > As long as Thorsten understands that the changing the words does not 
> > > change the value of the proposal.
> > 
> > That was one other reason that i raised this issue.
> > I don't see the need for limiting its scope. Sure,
> > as always, the ASF is a good "use case".
> > 
> > So i think that this change of words will enhance
> > the proposal in various ways.
> 
> If you think the wording need changes, feel free to update it.

Thanks, David for changing the wording.

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: GSoC proposal "lenya-forrest-doco"

Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@wyona.com>.
El jue, 20-04-2006 a las 12:31 +1000, David Crossley escribió:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> > David Crossley wrote:
> > >Regarding Thorsten's proposal for Doco at
> > >http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2006
> > >
> > >I see the phrases "for apache projects" and
> > >"for Apache wide usage".
> > >
> > >We have been very careful at Forrest recently to not push
> > >our products in that way. If other Apache projects want
> > >to utilise it, then that is their choice.
> > >
> > >For example see the recent kerfuffle at Incubator and
> > >the animosity towards Forrest.
> > >
> > >Also see the proposal for assisting with site-dev@
> > >solutions for general documentation publishing solutions.
> > >We took great care to make sure that Forrest is just
> > >another tool.
> > >http://people.apache.org/~crossley/proposal-asf-publish.html
> > >http://people.apache.org/~rgardler/site-dev/Site-Build.html
> > >
> > >So as a Forrest PMC member, i am concerned about opening
> > >this can of worms again.
> > >
> > >I suggest that those words be removed so that it is just
> > >a generic documentation publication and CMS solution.
> > >What do others think?
> > 
> > It would certainly make things more acceptable to other ASF people - who 
> > will ultimately decide what projects get accepted. It is also likely to 
> > reduce the flack the project may cop.
> > 
> > As long as Thorsten understands that the changing the words does not 
> > change the value of the proposal.
> 
> That was one other reason that i raised this issue.
> I don't see the need for limiting its scope. Sure,
> as always, the ASF is a good "use case".
> 
> So i think that this change of words will enhance
> the proposal in various ways.

If you think the wording need changes, feel free to update it.

salu2
-- 
Thorsten Scherler
COO Spain
Wyona Inc.  -  Open Source Content Management  -  Apache Lenya
http://www.wyona.com                   http://lenya.apache.org
thorsten.scherler@wyona.com                thorsten@apache.org

Re: GSoC proposal "lenya-forrest-doco"

Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Ross Gardler wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> >Regarding Thorsten's proposal for Doco at
> >http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2006
> >
> >I see the phrases "for apache projects" and
> >"for Apache wide usage".
> >
> >We have been very careful at Forrest recently to not push
> >our products in that way. If other Apache projects want
> >to utilise it, then that is their choice.
> >
> >For example see the recent kerfuffle at Incubator and
> >the animosity towards Forrest.
> >
> >Also see the proposal for assisting with site-dev@
> >solutions for general documentation publishing solutions.
> >We took great care to make sure that Forrest is just
> >another tool.
> >http://people.apache.org/~crossley/proposal-asf-publish.html
> >http://people.apache.org/~rgardler/site-dev/Site-Build.html
> >
> >So as a Forrest PMC member, i am concerned about opening
> >this can of worms again.
> >
> >I suggest that those words be removed so that it is just
> >a generic documentation publication and CMS solution.
> >What do others think?
> 
> It would certainly make things more acceptable to other ASF people - who 
> will ultimately decide what projects get accepted. It is also likely to 
> reduce the flack the project may cop.
> 
> As long as Thorsten understands that the changing the words does not 
> change the value of the proposal.

That was one other reason that i raised this issue.
I don't see the need for limiting its scope. Sure,
as always, the ASF is a good "use case".

So i think that this change of words will enhance
the proposal in various ways.

-David

Re: GSoC proposal "lenya-forrest-doco"

Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
David Crossley wrote:
> Regarding Thorsten's proposal for Doco at
> http://wiki.apache.org/general/SummerOfCode2006
> 
> I see the phrases "for apache projects" and
> "for Apache wide usage".
> 
> We have been very careful at Forrest recently to not push
> our products in that way. If other Apache projects want
> to utilise it, then that is their choice.
> 
> For example see the recent kerfuffle at Incubator and
> the animosity towards Forrest.
> 
> Also see the proposal for assisting with site-dev@
> solutions for general documentation publishing solutions.
> We took great care to make sure that Forrest is just
> another tool.
> http://people.apache.org/~crossley/proposal-asf-publish.html
> http://people.apache.org/~rgardler/site-dev/Site-Build.html
> 
> So as a Forrest PMC member, i am concerned about opening
> this can of worms again.
> 
> I suggest that those words be removed so that it is just
> a generic documentation publication and CMS solution.
> What do others think?

It would certainly make things more acceptable to other ASF people - who 
will ultimately decide what projects get accepted. It is also likely to 
reduce the flack the project may cop.

As long as Thorsten understands that the changing the words does not 
change the value of the proposal.

Ross