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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID> on 2019/01/31 13:56:34 UTC
PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Hi all,
Here's the page describing what is needed for an incubating project to
become a top level project:
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
In there is stated:
"...you need to appoint a Chair for your project. It is up to the PPMC to
choose one person to act as the chair after graduation."
How do we want to do this, I suppose it is a question of putting vote
threads together for as many people as want to volunteer to be the PMC
chair?
The tasks are light: "The primary duty of a PMC chair is providing
quarterly reports to the board about the health and status of their
project."
See: https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html
From my perspective, it would be a strong indicator of the independence of
NetBeans from Oracle if the PMC chair were to NOT be from Oracle. The
opposite argument is that every individual contributor is equal and it
doesn't matter where the PMC chair comes from. Still, ideally, I think, it
would not be me or someone from Oracle.
However, I believe there are several people available to take on the PMC
chair role. Should we start be seeing who wants to volunteer themselves for
this role? Or how do we want to do this?
Thanks,
Gj
Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by "Kevin A. McGrail" <km...@apache.org>.
I would just add my $0.02 that Geertjan has done a good job and his
acknowledgment of a possible COI with Oracle speaks volumes as well.
I would recommend he be considered for the 1st year as PMC chair with a
good plan for succession for year two.
He's worked hard during the incubation and I think it would do well to
recognize him.
Regards,
KAM
On 1/31/2019 1:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
>
> --emi
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 5:29 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Wait. :-) I said preferably NOT me...
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:19 PM Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 for Geertjan as PMC Chair!
>>>
>>> El El jue, 31 ene 2019 a las 14:57, Geertjan Wielenga
>>> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> escribió:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Here's the page describing what is needed for an incubating project to
>>>> become a top level project:
>>>>
>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>>
>>>> In there is stated:
>>>>
>>>> "...you need to appoint a Chair for your project. It is up to the PPMC to
>>>> choose one person to act as the chair after graduation."
>>>>
>>>> How do we want to do this, I suppose it is a question of putting vote
>>>> threads together for as many people as want to volunteer to be the PMC
>>>> chair?
>>>>
>>>> The tasks are light: "The primary duty of a PMC chair is providing
>>>> quarterly reports to the board about the health and status of their
>>>> project."
>>>>
>>>> See: https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html
>>>>
>>>> From my perspective, it would be a strong indicator of the independence
>>> of
>>>> NetBeans from Oracle if the PMC chair were to NOT be from Oracle. The
>>>> opposite argument is that every individual contributor is equal and it
>>>> doesn't matter where the PMC chair comes from. Still, ideally, I think,
>>> it
>>>> would not be me or someone from Oracle.
>>>>
>>>> However, I believe there are several people available to take on the PMC
>>>> chair role. Should we start be seeing who wants to volunteer themselves
>>> for
>>>> this role? Or how do we want to do this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Absolutely and it would be an honor.
Gj
On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 10:35 AM Antonio <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> Some comments inlined below
>
> El 27/02/2019 a las 9:08, Geertjan Wielenga escribió:
> > One concern I have with me being PPMC chair is some future article by
> > someone ending with “...and with an Oracle product manager chairing
> Apache
> > NetBeans, Oracle is still in control of the project”. Of course, if I am
>
> That hypothetic "someone" will then show little knowledge about how the
> ASF works (we vote here!), and about what Geertjan has been doing for
> NetBeans during the last 10-15 years?
>
> > not the PPMC chair, that same article will end with “...and with a
> > non-Oracle contributor as PPMC chair, Oracle has now truly dumped
> NetBeans”.
> >
> > So, maybe we shouldn’t focus on this concern.
>
> I think we should focus on your willingness to be a PMC chair instead.
>
> You've been pushing the project for a long time now, and I think we all
> will understand you may be wanting to step down and take a rest for a
> while. :-)
>
> If you feel you have the strength to keep on bearing with us for some
> more time then I think we all will be honored if you keep on pushing the
> project forward.
>
> Thank you, Geerjan,
> Antonio
>
> >
> > From my perspective, I am not opposed to Kevin’s succession plan — me as
> > chair, with me liaising with Glenn Holmer and preparing him to take over.
> > Of course, this would need to be voted on, one vote thread for me now,
> and
> > in a year from now a new thread for Glenn.
> >
> > Anyway, these are my personal thoughts and anyone is free to disagree or
> > simply start a vote thread, so that this part of our graduation to top
> > level project can be completed.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> > On Friday, February 1, 2019, Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
> >>
> >> There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
> >> If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a
> new
> >> name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting. (board
> will
> >> accept or reject).
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
> >> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
> >> À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
> >>
> >> +1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
> >> candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to
> Geertjan
> >> being the first chair for year one.
> >>
> >> Josh Juneau
> >> juneau001@gmail.com
> >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> >> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com.invalid
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> >>>> I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
> >>>
> >>> I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
> >>> the responsibilities can be found here:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season
> >>> came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> >>>
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> >>>
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Antonio <an...@vieiro.net>.
Some comments inlined below
El 27/02/2019 a las 9:08, Geertjan Wielenga escribió:
> One concern I have with me being PPMC chair is some future article by
> someone ending with “...and with an Oracle product manager chairing Apache
> NetBeans, Oracle is still in control of the project”. Of course, if I am
That hypothetic "someone" will then show little knowledge about how the
ASF works (we vote here!), and about what Geertjan has been doing for
NetBeans during the last 10-15 years?
> not the PPMC chair, that same article will end with “...and with a
> non-Oracle contributor as PPMC chair, Oracle has now truly dumped NetBeans”.
>
> So, maybe we shouldn’t focus on this concern.
I think we should focus on your willingness to be a PMC chair instead.
You've been pushing the project for a long time now, and I think we all
will understand you may be wanting to step down and take a rest for a
while. :-)
If you feel you have the strength to keep on bearing with us for some
more time then I think we all will be honored if you keep on pushing the
project forward.
Thank you, Geerjan,
Antonio
>
> From my perspective, I am not opposed to Kevin’s succession plan — me as
> chair, with me liaising with Glenn Holmer and preparing him to take over.
> Of course, this would need to be voted on, one vote thread for me now, and
> in a year from now a new thread for Glenn.
>
> Anyway, these are my personal thoughts and anyone is free to disagree or
> simply start a vote thread, so that this part of our graduation to top
> level project can be completed.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019, Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
>>
>> There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
>> If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a new
>> name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting. (board will
>> accept or reject).
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
>> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
>> À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>> Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
>>
>> +1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
>> candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to Geertjan
>> being the first chair for year one.
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> juneau001@gmail.com
>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
>>>> I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
>>>
>>> I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
>>> the responsibilities can be found here:
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>
>>> --
>>> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season
>>> came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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RE: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by constantin drabo <dr...@hotmail.com>.
Yup, the process requires to open an official voting thread 🙂
Constantin
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De : Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>
Envoyé : mardi 26 février 2019 22:22
À : dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
This is not a voting thread. Do not vote here please. Start an official
voting thread for the candidate of your choice.
Gj
On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Tushar Joshi <tu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1 for Glenn Holmer
>
> with regards
> Tushar
>
> Tushar Joshi, Nagpur: http://www.tusharjoshi.com
>
> * MCSD_NET C#, SCJP, RHCE, ZCE, PMP, CSM, SAFe, PRINCE2
>
> * Senior Architect @ Persistent Systems http://www.persistent.com
> * LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tusharvjoshi
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:39 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > PS: everywhere I said PPMC, I should have said PMC.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > One concern I have with me being PPMC chair is some future article by
> > > someone ending with “...and with an Oracle product manager chairing
> > Apache
> > > NetBeans, Oracle is still in control of the project”. Of course, if I
> am
> > > not the PPMC chair, that same article will end with “...and with a
> > > non-Oracle contributor as PPMC chair, Oracle has now truly dumped
> > NetBeans”.
> > >
> > > So, maybe we shouldn’t focus on this concern.
> > >
> > > From my perspective, I am not opposed to Kevin’s succession plan — me
> as
> > > chair, with me liaising with Glenn Holmer and preparing him to take
> over.
> > > Of course, this would need to be voted on, one vote thread for me now,
> > and
> > > in a year from now a new thread for Glenn.
> > >
> > > Anyway, these are my personal thoughts and anyone is free to disagree
> or
> > > simply start a vote thread, so that this part of our graduation to top
> > > level project can be completed.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > >
> > > On Friday, February 1, 2019, Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
> > >>
> > >> There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
> > >> If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a
> > >> new name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting.
> > (board
> > >> will accept or reject).
> > >>
> > >> Eric
> > >>
> > >> -----Message d'origine-----
> > >> De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
> > >> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
> > >> À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
> > >> Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
> > >>
> > >> +1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
> > >> candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to
> > Geertjan
> > >> being the first chair for year one.
> > >>
> > >> Josh Juneau
> > >> juneau001@gmail.com
> > >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> > >> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer
> <cenbe@kolabnow.com.invalid
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > >> > > I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
> > >> >
> > >> > I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
> > >> > the responsibilities can be found here:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage
> season
> > >> > came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
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> > >> >
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> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
This is not a voting thread. Do not vote here please. Start an official
voting thread for the candidate of your choice.
Gj
On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Tushar Joshi <tu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1 for Glenn Holmer
>
> with regards
> Tushar
>
> Tushar Joshi, Nagpur: http://www.tusharjoshi.com
>
> * MCSD_NET C#, SCJP, RHCE, ZCE, PMP, CSM, SAFe, PRINCE2
>
> * Senior Architect @ Persistent Systems http://www.persistent.com
> * LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tusharvjoshi
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:39 PM Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> > PS: everywhere I said PPMC, I should have said PMC.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > One concern I have with me being PPMC chair is some future article by
> > > someone ending with “...and with an Oracle product manager chairing
> > Apache
> > > NetBeans, Oracle is still in control of the project”. Of course, if I
> am
> > > not the PPMC chair, that same article will end with “...and with a
> > > non-Oracle contributor as PPMC chair, Oracle has now truly dumped
> > NetBeans”.
> > >
> > > So, maybe we shouldn’t focus on this concern.
> > >
> > > From my perspective, I am not opposed to Kevin’s succession plan — me
> as
> > > chair, with me liaising with Glenn Holmer and preparing him to take
> over.
> > > Of course, this would need to be voted on, one vote thread for me now,
> > and
> > > in a year from now a new thread for Glenn.
> > >
> > > Anyway, these are my personal thoughts and anyone is free to disagree
> or
> > > simply start a vote thread, so that this part of our graduation to top
> > > level project can be completed.
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> > >
> > > On Friday, February 1, 2019, Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
> > >>
> > >> There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
> > >> If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a
> > >> new name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting.
> > (board
> > >> will accept or reject).
> > >>
> > >> Eric
> > >>
> > >> -----Message d'origine-----
> > >> De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
> > >> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
> > >> À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
> > >> Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
> > >>
> > >> +1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
> > >> candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to
> > Geertjan
> > >> being the first chair for year one.
> > >>
> > >> Josh Juneau
> > >> juneau001@gmail.com
> > >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> > >> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer
> <cenbe@kolabnow.com.invalid
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > >> > > I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
> > >> >
> > >> > I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
> > >> > the responsibilities can be found here:
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage
> season
> > >> > came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> > >> >
> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------
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> > >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
>
Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Tushar Joshi <tu...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Glenn Holmer
with regards
Tushar
Tushar Joshi, Nagpur: http://www.tusharjoshi.com
* MCSD_NET C#, SCJP, RHCE, ZCE, PMP, CSM, SAFe, PRINCE2
* Senior Architect @ Persistent Systems http://www.persistent.com
* LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/tusharvjoshi
On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 1:39 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
> PS: everywhere I said PPMC, I should have said PMC.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > One concern I have with me being PPMC chair is some future article by
> > someone ending with “...and with an Oracle product manager chairing
> Apache
> > NetBeans, Oracle is still in control of the project”. Of course, if I am
> > not the PPMC chair, that same article will end with “...and with a
> > non-Oracle contributor as PPMC chair, Oracle has now truly dumped
> NetBeans”.
> >
> > So, maybe we shouldn’t focus on this concern.
> >
> > From my perspective, I am not opposed to Kevin’s succession plan — me as
> > chair, with me liaising with Glenn Holmer and preparing him to take over.
> > Of course, this would need to be voted on, one vote thread for me now,
> and
> > in a year from now a new thread for Glenn.
> >
> > Anyway, these are my personal thoughts and anyone is free to disagree or
> > simply start a vote thread, so that this part of our graduation to top
> > level project can be completed.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> >
> > On Friday, February 1, 2019, Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
> >>
> >> There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
> >> If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a
> >> new name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting.
> (board
> >> will accept or reject).
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >> -----Message d'origine-----
> >> De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
> >> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
> >> À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
> >> Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
> >>
> >> +1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
> >> candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to
> Geertjan
> >> being the first chair for year one.
> >>
> >> Josh Juneau
> >> juneau001@gmail.com
> >> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> >> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer <cenbe@kolabnow.com.invalid
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> >> > > I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
> >> >
> >> > I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
> >> > the responsibilities can be found here:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season
> >> > came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> >> >
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
PS: everywhere I said PPMC, I should have said PMC.
On Wednesday, February 27, 2019, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> One concern I have with me being PPMC chair is some future article by
> someone ending with “...and with an Oracle product manager chairing Apache
> NetBeans, Oracle is still in control of the project”. Of course, if I am
> not the PPMC chair, that same article will end with “...and with a
> non-Oracle contributor as PPMC chair, Oracle has now truly dumped NetBeans”.
>
> So, maybe we shouldn’t focus on this concern.
>
> From my perspective, I am not opposed to Kevin’s succession plan — me as
> chair, with me liaising with Glenn Holmer and preparing him to take over.
> Of course, this would need to be voted on, one vote thread for me now, and
> in a year from now a new thread for Glenn.
>
> Anyway, these are my personal thoughts and anyone is free to disagree or
> simply start a vote thread, so that this part of our graduation to top
> level project can be completed.
>
> Gj
>
>
> On Friday, February 1, 2019, Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
>>
>> There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
>> If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a
>> new name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting. (board
>> will accept or reject).
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
>> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
>> À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>> Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
>>
>> +1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
>> candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to Geertjan
>> being the first chair for year one.
>>
>> Josh Juneau
>> juneau001@gmail.com
>> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
>> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
>> > > I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
>> >
>> > I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
>> > the responsibilities can be found here:
>> >
>> > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>> >
>> > --
>> > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season
>> > came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> >
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>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
One concern I have with me being PPMC chair is some future article by
someone ending with “...and with an Oracle product manager chairing Apache
NetBeans, Oracle is still in control of the project”. Of course, if I am
not the PPMC chair, that same article will end with “...and with a
non-Oracle contributor as PPMC chair, Oracle has now truly dumped NetBeans”.
So, maybe we shouldn’t focus on this concern.
From my perspective, I am not opposed to Kevin’s succession plan — me as
chair, with me liaising with Glenn Holmer and preparing him to take over.
Of course, this would need to be voted on, one vote thread for me now, and
in a year from now a new thread for Glenn.
Anyway, these are my personal thoughts and anyone is free to disagree or
simply start a vote thread, so that this part of our graduation to top
level project can be completed.
Gj
On Friday, February 1, 2019, Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
>
> There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
> If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a new
> name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting. (board will
> accept or reject).
>
> Eric
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
> Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
> À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
> Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
>
> +1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
> candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to Geertjan
> being the first chair for year one.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau001@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > > I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
> >
> > I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
> > the responsibilities can be found here:
> >
> > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
> >
> > --
> > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season
> > came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail:
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> >
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> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Mailing+lists
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
RE: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Eric Barboni <sk...@apache.org>.
As Geertjan says "preferably NOT me" we should then propose Glenn.
There is no time limit for a chair term it can be more than 1 year.
If PMC or PMC chair wants changes, PMC will discuss (maybe vote) for a new name, it should be anticipated before a board monthly meeting. (board will accept or reject).
Eric
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>
Envoyé : jeudi 31 janvier 2019 23:09
À : dev <de...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
Objet : Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
+1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to Geertjan being the first chair for year one.
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
wrote:
> On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
>
> I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of
> the responsibilities can be found here:
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682) "After the vintage season
> came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Josh Juneau <ju...@gmail.com>.
+1 to Geertjan AND also +1 for Glenn Holmer. Both would be excellent
candidates. I like Kevin's succession plan idea with respect to Geertjan
being the first chair for year one.
Josh Juneau
juneau001@gmail.com
http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
https://www.apress.com/index.php/author/author/view/id/1866
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 3:53 PM Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.invalid>
wrote:
> On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> > I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
>
> I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of the
> responsibilities can be found here:
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Glenn Holmer <ce...@kolabnow.com.INVALID>.
On 1/31/19 12:05 PM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
I would be willing to serve in this capacity. A good description of the
responsibilities can be found here:
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
I believe Glenn Holmer would be a good first Chair.
--emi
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 5:29 PM Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> Wait. :-) I said preferably NOT me...
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:19 PM Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
>
> > +1 for Geertjan as PMC Chair!
> >
> > El El jue, 31 ene 2019 a las 14:57, Geertjan Wielenga
> > <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> escribió:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > Here's the page describing what is needed for an incubating project to
> > > become a top level project:
> > >
> > > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> > >
> > > In there is stated:
> > >
> > > "...you need to appoint a Chair for your project. It is up to the PPMC to
> > > choose one person to act as the chair after graduation."
> > >
> > > How do we want to do this, I suppose it is a question of putting vote
> > > threads together for as many people as want to volunteer to be the PMC
> > > chair?
> > >
> > > The tasks are light: "The primary duty of a PMC chair is providing
> > > quarterly reports to the board about the health and status of their
> > > project."
> > >
> > > See: https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html
> > >
> > > From my perspective, it would be a strong indicator of the independence
> > of
> > > NetBeans from Oracle if the PMC chair were to NOT be from Oracle. The
> > > opposite argument is that every individual contributor is equal and it
> > > doesn't matter where the PMC chair comes from. Still, ideally, I think,
> > it
> > > would not be me or someone from Oracle.
> > >
> > > However, I believe there are several people available to take on the PMC
> > > chair role. Should we start be seeing who wants to volunteer themselves
> > for
> > > this role? Or how do we want to do this?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Gj
> > >
> >
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Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Wait. :-) I said preferably NOT me...
Gj
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 4:19 PM Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net> wrote:
> +1 for Geertjan as PMC Chair!
>
> El El jue, 31 ene 2019 a las 14:57, Geertjan Wielenga
> <ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> escribió:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here's the page describing what is needed for an incubating project to
> > become a top level project:
> >
> > https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> > In there is stated:
> >
> > "...you need to appoint a Chair for your project. It is up to the PPMC to
> > choose one person to act as the chair after graduation."
> >
> > How do we want to do this, I suppose it is a question of putting vote
> > threads together for as many people as want to volunteer to be the PMC
> > chair?
> >
> > The tasks are light: "The primary duty of a PMC chair is providing
> > quarterly reports to the board about the health and status of their
> > project."
> >
> > See: https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html
> >
> > From my perspective, it would be a strong indicator of the independence
> of
> > NetBeans from Oracle if the PMC chair were to NOT be from Oracle. The
> > opposite argument is that every individual contributor is equal and it
> > doesn't matter where the PMC chair comes from. Still, ideally, I think,
> it
> > would not be me or someone from Oracle.
> >
> > However, I believe there are several people available to take on the PMC
> > chair role. Should we start be seeing who wants to volunteer themselves
> for
> > this role? Or how do we want to do this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
>
Re: PMC chair for Apache NetBeans
Posted by Antonio Vieiro <an...@vieiro.net>.
+1 for Geertjan as PMC Chair!
El El jue, 31 ene 2019 a las 14:57, Geertjan Wielenga
<ge...@googlemail.com.invalid> escribió:
> Hi all,
>
> Here's the page describing what is needed for an incubating project to
> become a top level project:
>
> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
> In there is stated:
>
> "...you need to appoint a Chair for your project. It is up to the PPMC to
> choose one person to act as the chair after graduation."
>
> How do we want to do this, I suppose it is a question of putting vote
> threads together for as many people as want to volunteer to be the PMC
> chair?
>
> The tasks are light: "The primary duty of a PMC chair is providing
> quarterly reports to the board about the health and status of their
> project."
>
> See: https://apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html
>
> From my perspective, it would be a strong indicator of the independence of
> NetBeans from Oracle if the PMC chair were to NOT be from Oracle. The
> opposite argument is that every individual contributor is equal and it
> doesn't matter where the PMC chair comes from. Still, ideally, I think, it
> would not be me or someone from Oracle.
>
> However, I believe there are several people available to take on the PMC
> chair role. Should we start be seeing who wants to volunteer themselves for
> this role? Or how do we want to do this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>