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Posted to user@turbine.apache.org by Gary Lawrence Murphy <ga...@canada.com> on 2001/07/24 23:14:40 UTC

Pipe dreams and other wishes

Ok, I've been away for a bit doing abstract designs, and I see that I
leave this crew along for a week or two and they go off and redesign
_everything_ ;)

Coming back in, I find some curious and dearly inviting allusions to
techniques such as "Pipelines", with the only real hint being that
it has something to do with Tomcat 4 (I'm using tomcat 3.3, but I've
upgraded before ;)

My instinct says pipelines means cascading services, using the feed of
one service (say a database lookup) to feed another (say an XML rendering)
and having that feed another (XSLT transform to PDF) before returning
the page to the browser.  Is this essentially correct?

I also found curious comments about improving binary and XML services,
which I hope implies exactly the reason why we were abandoning
Turbine.java for our site (we have no need of session management or
logins, we only need velocity, pools, caches, torque and just about
every other Turbine service ;)

I've tried to sift my backlog of mailing list messages, but found nothing
(absense of evidence is not evidence of absense) --- can someone point me
to any kind of archive/log/doc where I can learn more about what evil
world-domination plans you are hatching here with Turbine 3.0?  Is there
a pill I can take so I will understand what I find? ;)

-- 
Gary Lawrence Murphy <ga...@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)


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Re: Pipe dreams and other wishes

Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>.
Kurt Schrader <ks...@engin.umich.edu> writes:

> On Tuesday, July 24, 2001, at 05:14 PM, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:
> 
> <cut>
> 
> > can someone point me
> > to any kind of archive/log/doc where I can learn more about what evil
> > world-domination plans you are hatching here with Turbine 3.0?  Is there
> > a pill I can take so I will understand what I find? ;)
> 
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-turbine/notes/

Also:

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-turbine-fulcrum/NOTES?rev=1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup

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Re: Pipe dreams and other wishes

Posted by Gary Lawrence Murphy <ga...@canada.com>.
>>>>> "K" == Kurt Schrader <ks...@engin.umich.edu> writes:

    K> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-turbine/notes/

    K> Read and be enlightened!

Well, of course, I went there long before posting, and this is what
I found:

  Have to figure out the pipeline API and the the view mechanism
  together. I know there are misfits:

  o portal view doesn't follow classic
  o binary output doesn't follow classic model
  o output of markups other than html
  o output of xml tranformations

  We want to be able to output anything in a flexible manner.
  Rigth now we are constrained by the classic model.

I expect this makes sense if you have the magic decoder ring, but
I tend to skip breakfast and eat cheerios when I don't.  

Can someone define:

        - "pipeline API"
        - "the view mechanism" (which view? view of what?)
        - "portal view" (who's portal? Turbine? Velocity?)
        - "classic model" (?)
        - "output of ..." (output from what?  From Turbine? From Velocity?)

Maybe I'm dense (which I am) but these 'notes' aren't particularly
helpful.  I can only guess that, with the context of some IRC log,
maybe it's all perfectly sensical, but out of context, it's not. I'm
especially invited by the second last line of that file, but how is
the "classic model" constraining us and what is the proposed solution?

-- 
Gary Lawrence Murphy <ga...@teledyn.com> TeleDynamics Communications Inc
Business Innovations Through Open Source Systems: http://www.teledyn.com
"Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers."(Pablo Picasso)


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Re: Pipe dreams and other wishes

Posted by Kurt Schrader <ks...@engin.umich.edu>.
On Tuesday, July 24, 2001, at 05:14 PM, Gary Lawrence Murphy wrote:

<cut>

> can someone point me
> to any kind of archive/log/doc where I can learn more about what evil
> world-domination plans you are hatching here with Turbine 3.0?  Is there
> a pill I can take so I will understand what I find? ;)

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-turbine/notes/

Read and be enlightened!

-Kurt

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