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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.org> on 2003/01/03 17:11:49 UTC
Re: Moving forward cocoon.apache.org
Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
> I vote for Version #2.
>
> That will follow the spirit of Jakarta which is popular and successful.
> The Incubator will give a fair exposure to new projects, while allowing them
> to move up, only if they meet a certain threshold of maturity and
> popularity.
I think incubator is very fine with us (Wyona) and it also seems fair
with regard to other projects.
Shall we apply on our own at incubator or shall we wait some more time?
Has incubator officially launched yet (there seem to be no projects so
far and some content is still missing)?
Thanks
Michael
>
> Forrest being independent project documentation tool also makes sense.
> Has it been discuss any further how is Forrest going to work with Alexandria
> and Maven?
>
> Ivelin
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stefano Mazzocchi" <st...@apache.org>
> To: "Apache Cocoon" <co...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 8:05 PM
> Subject: Moving forward cocoon.apache.org
>
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>
>>All right,
>>
>>due to my travelling I was not able to concentrate on getting this
>>bureaucratic stuff done but I want to do it as soon as possible.
>>
>>The only thing left to write is the charter to propose to the board, but
>>before doing that I would like to hear your comments about my vision of
>>what cocoon.apache.org should be.
>>
>>Please, allow me to say that this is my personal vision as a member of
>>this community, and that counts as anybody else's. I'm just sharing my
>>ideas and putting them on the table to see how others feel about them.
>>
>>So, if anything hurts your feelings or kills your dog, please understand
>>that I'm just trying to move foward by seeking consensus.
>>
>>I'm writing this disclaimer just to make sure I don't have to dissipate
>>tons of negative energy later on.
>>
>> - o -
>>
>>Vision #1
>>---------
>>
>> cocoon.apache.org
>> - Cocoon
>> - Forrest
>> - CocoBlog
>> - Wyona
>>
>>(since there is people from all these communities here I won't cross
>>post for now, feel free to forward though)
>>
>>I've already contacted the Wyona people and they say they would love to
>>donate their work to the ASF and be hosted there. Of course, to be fair
>>with other projects, the project name will have to change, also because
>>of collision with the Wyona commercial entity. But even this was agreed.
>>Of course we'll let them choose their new name, just like it happened
>>for dbXML/Xindice. (I suggest to avoid acronyms though, in relation to
>>the general apache naming spirit)
>>
>>I don't know what the forrest people think about this. So let's hear it.
>>
>>As for CocoBlog, I think it would be cool to make it more visible, but I
>>want to know how many people are interested in following this up and
>>making sure it grows sane.
>>
>>I have to tell you: cocoon-apps seems too much of a graveyard to me and
>>having a cool blogging tool on top of Cocoon would be a very nice way to
>>show off our power to a bunch of users, expecially once blocks are
>>implemented.
>>
>>So, the focus should be
>>
>> cocoon.apache.org -> cocoon and cocoon-related stuff
>> - cocoon -> core architecture and blocks
>> - forrest -> documentation system
>> - cocoblog -> blog system
>> - xxx (was Wyona) -> content management system
>>
>>The problem of this is that we repeat the project-containment problem
>>over again. That is: the PMC might become disconnected from the real code.
>>
>>The alternative vision is
>>
>>Vision #2
>>---------
>>
>> cocoon.apache.org
>> - cocoon
>>
>> xml.apache.org
>> - forrest
>>
>> incubator.apache.org
>> - xxx (was wyona)
>> - cocoblog
>>
>>This is today the suggested incubation path, even if it's not imposed if
>>there are alternatives.
>>
>> - o -
>>
>>Ok, fire. And please, if you see other alternatives or other things that
>>I didn't mention, please, feel free to add.
>>
>>Ah, final note: this *HAS* nothing to do with any infrastructure
>>concepts like 'cocoondev.org' and stuff. That's another concern and will
>>be dealt with *after* we have a PMC established and we are ready to go.
>>
>>Thank you.
>>
>>--
>>Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>
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Re: Moving forward cocoon.apache.org
Posted by Michael Wechner <mi...@wyona.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
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> Michael Wechner wrote:
>
>> Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
>>
>>> I vote for Version #2.
>>>
>>> That will follow the spirit of Jakarta which is popular and successful.
>>> The Incubator will give a fair exposure to new projects, while
>>> allowing them
>>> to move up, only if they meet a certain threshold of maturity and
>>> popularity.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think incubator is very fine with us (Wyona) and it also seems fair
>> with regard to other projects.
>
>
> Hi Michael, I'm part also of the Incubator PMC (Project management
> commitee).
>
> The incubator is active, and we are recieving now our first project,
> Tapestry. I have been contacted by OmegaCMS
> http://www.omegacms.com/tour.html for the possibility of moving to
> Apache too. Tell me what you think of it, and let us (incubator) know.
Well, to be honest, I have never heard of it before, but I will add it
to the OSCOM CMS/F list:
http://www.oscom.org/matrix/index.html
and will try to check it out.
>
>> Shall we apply on our own at incubator or shall we wait some more time?
>> Has incubator officially launched yet (there seem to be no projects so
>> far and some content is still missing)?
>
>
> Yes, we are making our rules as-we-go.
>
> The best thing is to decide where you want to land in Apache, and if
> it's under another project, make that project accept it if possible.
I guess you mean by project "Jakarta" or "XML"
>
> Then apply for incubation by sending a mail with details on
> general@incubator.apache.org. I'll be waiting for you :-)
ok :-)
Thanks
Michael
>
> Ciao.
>
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Re: Moving forward cocoon.apache.org
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Michael Wechner wrote:
> Ivelin Ivanov wrote:
>
>> I vote for Version #2.
>>
>> That will follow the spirit of Jakarta which is popular and successful.
>> The Incubator will give a fair exposure to new projects, while
>> allowing them
>> to move up, only if they meet a certain threshold of maturity and
>> popularity.
>
>
> I think incubator is very fine with us (Wyona) and it also seems fair
> with regard to other projects.
Hi Michael, I'm part also of the Incubator PMC (Project management
commitee).
The incubator is active, and we are recieving now our first project,
Tapestry. I have been contacted by OmegaCMS
http://www.omegacms.com/tour.html for the possibility of moving to
Apache too. Tell me what you think of it, and let us (incubator) know.
> Shall we apply on our own at incubator or shall we wait some more time?
> Has incubator officially launched yet (there seem to be no projects so
> far and some content is still missing)?
Yes, we are making our rules as-we-go.
The best thing is to decide where you want to land in Apache, and if
it's under another project, make that project accept it if possible.
Then apply for incubation by sending a mail with details on
general@incubator.apache.org. I'll be waiting for you :-)
Ciao.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
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