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[POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home
for bricks reusable in java web applications]
On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
<snip>
> Don't know what kind of goo 12 would result in or who would use such a
> thing ;-)
this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop
point 12.
- robert
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Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a
home for bricks reusable in java web applications]
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@steitz.com>.
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> I'm not sure I understand #12... is it talking about providing a JAR of
> a release for archival purposes?
I think that in the early (actually as recently as a year or so ago)
days of Jakarta Commons, a "combo jar" was produced that included *all*
of the commons components (or at least the most commonly used ones), so
that you could just deploy one jar and get them all. As robert points
out below, internal and external dependencies and conflicts made that
impractical, so, despite this reference in the charter, we no longer
produce such a thing.
>
> I would like to see this project adopt the packaging scheme my own Java
> Web Parts project has in that each actual Java package is JAR'd
> separately. That way a developer can easily pick and choose which parts
> they want to use.
+1
Phil
>
> I mention that because depending on what #12 really is talking about,
> that could conflict with that idea. I'm not sure.
>
> Frank
>
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Don't know what kind of goo 12 would result in or who would use such
>>> a thing ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop
>> point 12.
>>
>> - robert
>>
>> --8<-----------------------------------------------------------
>> [ ] +1 Get rid!
>> [ ] -1 Keep it (please give a reason...)
>> --------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a
home for bricks reusable in java web applications]
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
I'm not sure I understand #12... is it talking about providing a JAR of
a release for archival purposes?
I would like to see this project adopt the packaging scheme my own Java
Web Parts project has in that each actual Java package is JAR'd
separately. That way a developer can easily pick and choose which parts
they want to use.
I mention that because depending on what #12 really is talking about,
that could conflict with that idea. I'm not sure.
Frank
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Don't know what kind of goo 12 would result in or who would use such a
>>thing ;-)
>
>
> this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop
> point 12.
>
> - robert
>
> --8<-----------------------------------------------------------
> [ ] +1 Get rid!
> [ ] -1 Keep it (please give a reason...)
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a
home for bricks reusable in java web applications]
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
I'm not sure I understand #12... is it talking about providing a JAR of
a release for archival purposes?
I would like to see this project adopt the packaging scheme my own Java
Web Parts project has in that each actual Java package is JAR'd
separately. That way a developer can easily pick and choose which parts
they want to use.
I mention that because depending on what #12 really is talking about,
that could conflict with that idea. I'm not sure.
Frank
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>Don't know what kind of goo 12 would result in or who would use such a
>>thing ;-)
>
>
> this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop
> point 12.
>
> - robert
>
> --8<-----------------------------------------------------------
> [ ] +1 Get rid!
> [ ] -1 Keep it (please give a reason...)
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 6/23/05, robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 14:40 -0700, Phil Steitz wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Don't know what kind of goo 12 would result in or who would use such a
> > thing ;-)
>
> this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop
> point 12.
>
> - robert
>
> --8<-----------------------------------------------------------
> [ ] +1 Get rid!
> [ ] -1 Keep it (please give a reason...)
> --------------------------------------------------------------
+1 (non-binding)
I think each "component" (i.e. bullet in the examples in the Preamble)
should be at the liberty to decide how they get packaged/distributed.
For example, servlets and filters (two components) may choose to have
one library, but one component, Taglibs (again, if it joins), may have
multiple jars (as it does today). I think removing 12 rightfully
delays these decisions :-)
On 6/23/05, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
<snip/>
> I mention that because depending on what #12 really is talking about,
> that could conflict with that idea. I'm not sure.
I think the implication of 12 conflicts your view.
-Rahul
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Re: [RESULT][POLL] drop point 12
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
+1
- robert
On Mon, 2005-07-04 at 02:16 -0400, Henri Yandell wrote:
> We should do the same on Commons at some point. Throw out the ones that
> seem dead.
>
> Hen
>
> On Sun, 3 Jul 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote:
>
> > i count 4 +1's
> >
> > the consensus seems to be in favour of removal so that's what i'm going
> > to do.
> >
> > i propose to leave retain the number by noting those that have been
> > deleted (rather than removing them).
> >
> > - robert
> >
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Re: [RESULT][POLL] drop point 12
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
We should do the same on Commons at some point. Throw out the ones that
seem dead.
Hen
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote:
> i count 4 +1's
>
> the consensus seems to be in favour of removal so that's what i'm going
> to do.
>
> i propose to leave retain the number by noting those that have been
> deleted (rather than removing them).
>
> - robert
>
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[RESULT][POLL] drop point 12
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
i count 4 +1's
the consensus seems to be in favour of removal so that's what i'm going
to do.
i propose to leave retain the number by noting those that have been
deleted (rather than removing them).
- robert
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Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusable in java web applications]
Posted by Martin Cooper <mf...@gmail.com>.
On 6/25/05, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop
> > point 12.
>
> "12. The subproject will also provide a single JAR of all stable package
> releases. It may also provide a second JAR with a subset of only JDK 1.1
> compatible releases. A gump of nightly builds will also be provided."
>
> >
> > --8<-----------------------------------------------------------
> > [X] +1 Get rid!
> > [ ] -1 Keep it (please give a reason...)
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> One jar didn't work for commons, no reason to expect it will here.
+1. Let's ditch it.
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Martin Cooper
> Stephen
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Re: [POLL] drop point 12 [WAS Re: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a
home for bricks reusable in java web applications]
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@btopenworld.com>.
robert burrell donkin wrote:
> this has proved impractical in the jakarta commons. i propose we drop
> point 12.
"12. The subproject will also provide a single JAR of all stable package
releases. It may also provide a second JAR with a subset of only JDK 1.1
compatible releases. A gump of nightly builds will also be provided."
>
> --8<-----------------------------------------------------------
> [X] +1 Get rid!
> [ ] -1 Keep it (please give a reason...)
> --------------------------------------------------------------
One jar didn't work for commons, no reason to expect it will here.
Stephen
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